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Brave Search Now Available in Beta as Privacy-Protecting Search Engine Alternative to Google
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I tried it and the results are very very solid!
what does "community-curated open ranking models" and "independence metric" mean?
You do not understand the problem here. DDG is a middle man for Bing, no Bing no DDG. This does not need Bing, Google, Microsoft, Facebook or anyone else. It operates on its own . If you check DDG Twitter feed, you will see them criticising FB and Google all the time but will never mention Bing or Microsoft.
I use DDG, and the more options the merrier and both can exist. This is actually a good thing.
Yes lets pick on this company for something that happened for a couple of weeks in their lifetime forever which never hurted or exposed anyone's privacy and call them shady, meanwhile continue to use Android, Google Maps, Microsoft Windows, Facebook Instagram+Whatsapp, Waze, Gmail, , and Microsoft Office.
Brave is open source software, their are ads opt-in, what more can they do to trust them than expose their own source code? However or whatever it is...it surely is better than Google, MS, or FB if any thing other than to provide a different options and break their oligopoly.
what does "community-curated open ranking models" and "independence metric" mean?
You do not understand the problem here. DDG is a middle man for Bing, no Bing no DDG. This does not need Bing, Google, Microsoft, Facebook or anyone else. It operates on its own . If you check DDG Twitter feed, you will see them criticising FB and Google all the time but will never mention Bing or Microsoft.
I use DDG, and the more options the merrier and both can exist. This is actually a good thing.
I am going to stick with DDG. After Brave got caught redirecting for cash, I decided they can't be trusted.
Brave Browser Caught Redirecting URLs for Cash
A browser that has received plaudits for privacy protection has been exposed for redirecting Web searches to make money. Brave, a browser with some 15 million monthly users, has been redirecting searches for cryptocurrency companies to links that produce revenue for the browser's owners through...www.technewsworld.com
Yes lets pick on this company for something that happened for a couple of weeks in their lifetime forever which never hurted or exposed anyone's privacy and call them shady, meanwhile continue to use Android, Google Maps, Microsoft Windows, Facebook Instagram+Whatsapp, Waze, Gmail, , and Microsoft Office.
Brave is open source software, their are ads opt-in, what more can they do to trust them than expose their own source code? However or whatever it is...it surely is better than Google, MS, or FB if any thing other than to provide a different options and break their oligopoly.
oh I see what you mean.You just invented Dogpile.com
Dogpile is a metasearch engine for information on the World Wide Web that fetches results from Google, Yahoo!, Yandex, Bing, and other popular search engines, including those from audio and video content providers such as Yahoo!
Dogpile - Wikipedia
oh I see what you mean.
Dogpile is a metasearch engine for information on the World Wide Web that fetches results from Google, Yahoo!, Yandex, Bing, and other popular search engines, including those from audio and video content providers such as Yahoo!
Dogpile - Wikipedia
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Yep... I remember using Dogpile in the early to mid 2000's
But then I just settled on Google.
You're implying that I use any of those things. At least FB doesn't pretend to be an anti-establishment privacy product like Brave does, and users basically know (and don't care) what they're signing up for.
Also, Brave messing with links didn't just "happen;" they did it deliberately until they were caught, and if you look at Poseidon's comments, it seems like they're still basically doing it via the cookies.
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I think the problem for others here is Brave is not open source and it is a company and so they don’t trust it compared to say Firefox.
I don’t think they are implying that if Brave is tracking you than just go and use bing or google. It given that google and bing would have way way way more tracking if brave is or was tracking you or doing IP address logging.
But again can you also trust www.startpage.com or duckduckgo that they not tracking you or doing IP address logging.
I don’t think they are implying that if Brave is tracking you than just go and use bing or google. It given that google and bing would have way way way more tracking if brave is or was tracking you or doing IP address logging.
But again can you also trust www.startpage.com or duckduckgo that they not tracking you or doing IP address logging.
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I am not. So far nobody was able to offer a single example of someone getting hurt in any way because of Google tracking. Do you have one?
What are you talking about? Brave is open source: https://github.com/brave
And Firefox belongs to Mozilla … a company. Chrome belongs to Google … a company. Literally every browser out there is run by a company. I’m not sure what that has to do with anything.
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No, I'm singling out Brave because the article is about Brave. Why do you and the other guy keep trying to bring up others? It isn't a huge problem, just a small crook pushing fake privacy software and trying to get people into their cryptocurrency pyramid scheme. I like to call out a scam when I see one.
I've hated Facebook ever since I first heard about it in 2008. It's detrimental even to people who don't use it, for reasons other than privacy. What do I use? iMessage, SMS, email, and phone. Not all perfectly secure or private, but truly I don't care all that much.
It’s important to bring up other browsers because the topic isn’t just Brave. It’s search engines in general and their respective companies. And yes Facebook sucks. I wish I could not use it, but I have one just to see how family is doing because they won’t use any other form of communication. And I’m not bringing up anything, I’m replying to things that have already been brought, in an open forum that has open discussions about things in an open discussion type fashion.
Your fake privacy comments continue to be 100% baseless and until you start showing actual facts, your entire position is based on personal feelings.
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Facts here. Since you've asked me so many questions, here's one for you. Do you hold any BAT?It’s important to bring up other browsers because the topic isn’t just Brave. It’s search engines in general and their respective companies. And yes Facebook sucks. I wish I could not use it, but I have one just to see how family is doing because they won’t use any other form of communication. And I’m not bringing up anything, I’m replying to things that have already been brought, in an open forum that has open discussions about things in an open discussion type fashion.
Your fake privacy comments continue to be 100% baseless and until you start showing actual facts, your entire position is based on personal feelings.
Yes, that is all conjecture. It’s nice he did some research, but that isn’t conclusive. And no I don’t hold BAT and I don’t even use Brave. I use Firefox on Windows and sync my bookmarks to Safari on iOS with AdGuard.
Firefox is detrimnetal? How?
Brave is shady because it had some link switch for a couple of weeks, meanwhile Apple is the privacy company that stores your Siri audio records and pay others to listen to them and analyze them right? But Apple is ok right?
Brave is a scam? Its free to use, open source, BAT+ad system is OFF by default, if you decide to use it you get paid but you pay back nothing. How is this a scam or a pyramid scheme?
How it works? Unlike Google that takes 100% of ad money, Brave splits 3 ways: 1 to content creator, 1 to viewer, 1 for Brave.
No I don't have BAT, nor any crypto, I don't want to see any ads but I am very grateful that Brave makes a free and open source browser that is an alternative to Google's Chrome and Microsoft Edge and I would pay to use it if they let me. It is also the only browser on iOS that has built in adblocker meanwhile others do not have an adblocker ability AFAIK other than Safari that will let you install an add-on.
I win everything and lose nothing with Brave.
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Its not a combination, its an option. They have a browser. You want to join the BAT coin ad program you can. You want to subscribe to their VPN you can.
Use startpage.com , it works like a middle man between you and google
This is a false statement. Brave and FireFox are the only mainstream browsers which are open source, meaning you can see exactly what it is doing and how it works and available for the whole world to analyze, alter, and customize.
Edge, Safari, Chrome are closed source, we do not know whats going on in the background. We do not know what they are doing.
The controversy over Brave is not Brave may be tracking you well they could but the business model of the bit currency thing.
And you can opt in so Brave can show you their ads. That is why everyone is saying Brave is shady.
But it not surprise that Google pays Mozilla to put Google as there default search engine and the dev are not concern about privacy and ad tracking.
So I don’t really trust Firefox.Any set person that makes any product not concern about privacy and ad tracking. I don't really trust them.
And lot of major security problem are bad scrips and bad ads where malware comes in. It not just ads in your face that bad to look at.
If you don’t have adblocker and no script your windows computer is going to get malware. And on third party websites they are not going to check and most them don’t care or have much any computer knowledge.
Well website like CNN or New York post will check that there is no shady ads or bad script but just some third party web side may not care or way too lazy to check or just having no knowledge what to do.
Go look at the many free wallpaper websites for windows and cat pictures with no adblocker and no script on your windows computer.
Or go to the torrent websites but do not download torrent or install or download any thing ,just look at the ads than come back and post here. You should do it on spare computer you don’t care getting malware on and you are going to format and install aways.
Also now there are ads every where and pop up banners to point the internet is not usable and getting worse every year.
Well I have theory what is going on just like youtube now is full of ads like cracy. That there was ads on website just like on youtube before and there where people installing adblocker and they started to not make a lot of the money for the hard work they put in and cost to run the website. Well all understandable! the ads where there and not bad the ads!! So they started pushing more ads for the full out.
Than it was not well I will like to go on the internet and not see ads because I hate ads it is like now there are lots of ads in my face so more people started using adblocker. And they lost even more money so they started pushing even more ads for the major full out Now there so many ads now on legit site unless you where in the late 90s and 2000s the shady sites, free stuff and porn sites would have ads and banners like that!! Back than if you seen ads like that you got into porn site or free music download site and you probably get malware. People got really frustrated now and more people started installing adblocker not because I don’t like ads but there ads every where now on the website.
In way there needs to be web dev and adblocker team all need to sit down and say okay. Yes okay . Okay. That stop using adblocker and go back to ads like before. Okay who will do it first and do we have an agreement. Yes who will do it first and do we have an agreement.
I remember I use to see one short ad on youtube for every 5 videos or more I clicked on and this is NOT when youtube was just getting started. Well now on a 10 minute clip you will get ad yes a ad every 3 minutes!!! no wonder people using adblocker.
A typical website would have just one ad some times two if you where lucky and no pop up and no banner ad unless you on a shady website. Now there are ads all over legit websites like every tech websites have ads every where.
I don’t see way out of this problem with out adblocker team and web dev going back to before adblocker. With out adblocker team and web dev sitting down and coming up with some thing like that do away with adblocker and bring back ads like before the internet is not usable and is getting worse.
The sad thing is many websites, news sites and tech site are starting to switch from ad base thing to a subscription. And other websites are just pushing more and more ads now for the major full out and now the internet is not usable and you need a adblocker because not only safety reason but ads every where and pop up and banners.
And you can opt in so Brave can show you their ads. That is why everyone is saying Brave is shady.
But it not surprise that Google pays Mozilla to put Google as there default search engine and the dev are not concern about privacy and ad tracking.
So I don’t really trust Firefox.Any set person that makes any product not concern about privacy and ad tracking. I don't really trust them.
And lot of major security problem are bad scrips and bad ads where malware comes in. It not just ads in your face that bad to look at.
If you don’t have adblocker and no script your windows computer is going to get malware. And on third party websites they are not going to check and most them don’t care or have much any computer knowledge.
Well website like CNN or New York post will check that there is no shady ads or bad script but just some third party web side may not care or way too lazy to check or just having no knowledge what to do.
Go look at the many free wallpaper websites for windows and cat pictures with no adblocker and no script on your windows computer.
Or go to the torrent websites but do not download torrent or install or download any thing ,just look at the ads than come back and post here. You should do it on spare computer you don’t care getting malware on and you are going to format and install aways.
Also now there are ads every where and pop up banners to point the internet is not usable and getting worse every year.
Well I have theory what is going on just like youtube now is full of ads like cracy. That there was ads on website just like on youtube before and there where people installing adblocker and they started to not make a lot of the money for the hard work they put in and cost to run the website. Well all understandable! the ads where there and not bad the ads!! So they started pushing more ads for the full out.
Than it was not well I will like to go on the internet and not see ads because I hate ads it is like now there are lots of ads in my face so more people started using adblocker. And they lost even more money so they started pushing even more ads for the major full out Now there so many ads now on legit site unless you where in the late 90s and 2000s the shady sites, free stuff and porn sites would have ads and banners like that!! Back than if you seen ads like that you got into porn site or free music download site and you probably get malware. People got really frustrated now and more people started installing adblocker not because I don’t like ads but there ads every where now on the website.
In way there needs to be web dev and adblocker team all need to sit down and say okay. Yes okay . Okay. That stop using adblocker and go back to ads like before. Okay who will do it first and do we have an agreement. Yes who will do it first and do we have an agreement.
I remember I use to see one short ad on youtube for every 5 videos or more I clicked on and this is NOT when youtube was just getting started. Well now on a 10 minute clip you will get ad yes a ad every 3 minutes!!! no wonder people using adblocker.
A typical website would have just one ad some times two if you where lucky and no pop up and no banner ad unless you on a shady website. Now there are ads all over legit websites like every tech websites have ads every where.
I don’t see way out of this problem with out adblocker team and web dev going back to before adblocker. With out adblocker team and web dev sitting down and coming up with some thing like that do away with adblocker and bring back ads like before the internet is not usable and is getting worse.
The sad thing is many websites, news sites and tech site are starting to switch from ad base thing to a subscription. And other websites are just pushing more and more ads now for the major full out and now the internet is not usable and you need a adblocker because not only safety reason but ads every where and pop up and banners.
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I think you misread "Facebook" as "Firefox." Firefox is great, and I use it.
I didn't say Apple is OK. Actually both Apple and Brave are irritating in the same way, pretending to be all about privacy when they're not. Brave is a scam in that they just give you open-source Chromium with adware added and act like it's special, and after that link editing stunt, it deserves deletion. Apple's privacy claims are fake too, but they also sell products that are nice in other ways if you don't care so much about privacy. It's really hard to get privacy right, and you're not gonna get it right by just using whatever is advertised as "private."
BAT is pyramid scheme because it's an altcoin. If they just wanted to pay creators, they could use any other cryptocurrency, but no, they found some pretend reason to need their own. Who owns most it? Probably Brave and people shilling Brave.
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Thanks Airforcekid. That's the kind of straight data that is helpful in determining best privacy options.
Regarding Apple, while Apple didn't do much with the data they mined, they didn't stop it/allowed others to easily do it and use it via their ecosystem. Not a feather in their cap. Their move toward privacy is relatively-isn recent. It's quite possible Apple still considered the many billions of dollars in data mining ad money was still something they might pursue (many companies do). I don't know that -- I'm just supposing. But Apple is now indisputably advancing security privacy forward significantly. Siri will have localized options.
It's thanks to DDG, Brave, Linux, Apple among others that privacy security is moving forward (despite corporate media giving it precious little attention).
As you replied, some don't care that their private information is individually recorded. That's their choice. For those of us who value privacy security, options are slowly getting bigger.
It's easily noticed you don't back that up with a scintilla of data, not one iota. A baseless statement -- one could even use your word, a scheme.
Apple's privacy is not fake. It isn't all encompassing yet (maybe it never will be) but it has advanced privacy security significantly. That is fact, period. People who push otherwise are pushing a fake, something baseless.
The data mining that is done by some of the big software and platforms isn't a secret. Actually you can delete some of it from the worst offenders (Facebook, Google). You can also see from public company income statements who relies and how much they rely on income derived from data collection. You can also see those companies anger at Apple when privacy security has been advanced.
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Apple guards privacy as long as it's to some other company's detriment instead of their own. The services they provide have similar agreements to what other companies have. You think Apple Maps collects less data than Google Maps? And yes that includes humans possibly listening to your Siri conversations for QA. Not particularly bad but not particularly great either.
This argument from the anti Apple group again? really? Ok, FYI, the secret is completely out. The point is made. Yes, Apple is a for profit company not acting out of pure goodness of heart. Worse! They’ve pushed and pushed privacy security as a selling point to increase sales. Those demons! And yes, non Apple companies getting less money because of less mined and collected data from Apple/Apple users is just not fair. If Apple’s privacy security push hurts Facebook financially, then Apple should hurt financially too! (Wait I think that’s almost exactly what Mark Zuckerberg said in 2018. Huh, whatever). Of course if Apple was data mining for massive ad monetizing then Apple would be hurt by their own privacy security push. **After reading that, now think one more time about the point you tried to make regarding “other company’s detriment” and the discussion on privacy security.
But you covered new ground with Apple has (human ears, really?) listening on Siri. 650 million iPhone users they better have a lot of ears. Good news for ya, local Siri is coming to 15. Not an easy feat per se as it probably requires some processing power. But that’s Apple’s description and their burden to make work.
You said “You think Apple Maps collects less data than Google Maps”. See below and as they say: learn it …live it…love it.
Google is the world’s largest data-driven advertising company. They derive the majority of their profit this way.
Apple is the world’s largest tech consumer electronics company. They derive the majority of their profit from hardware sales of cons. Electronics.
The privacy security argument should be over. OVER. You anti Apple people have lost this one really really badly. Apple is, factually, quantifiably, FAR ahead of the competition on privacy security, by A LOT (for profit). Yet I suspect the argument isn’t over. This is the profit making Demon known as Apple. they! must! be! stopped! clear facts be damned!
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Unless the company is self supporting and self financing, there is no such thing as privacy and security because they have to finance their enterprise somehow and unless already stated, the only way to do that is by selling ad space which means the ad companies will want to harvest your data. Brave Search can say all they want but if they have ad's then your data is being collected and use by the ad companies, end of.