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My friend in Germany swears by this browser. Privacy in Europe is a big deal.
Privacy should be a big deal everywhere!

Sadly I don't think Brave is the answer. The browser has grown into a bloated mess and the amount of stuff I need to disable or turn off with a new install is insane. It's far easier just to use Google Chrome and spend 10 seconds disabling the 'bad' stuff as it gives a far better experience than Brave.
 
That's the eternal tradeoff, huh.

Free, good search, but they track you. (Google)

Free, not so good search, but at least it's private. (DDG, Bing, Brave)

And there might be a third option where you pay Brave to not get ads. Unclear if the results get better if you pay. :p

I can't see that model being sustainable, though.
What's the tradeoff? Google gives you better results and it trucks you which let them offer you better ads and better (customized and contextualized) searh results. It's a win, wind and win situation.
 
Chrome doesn't.
Chrome does.

Brave is literally OEM, re-skinned Chrome.

If you don’t trust Chrome, you shouldn’t trust Brave for the exact same reasons.
90% of browsers are re-skinned Chrome now except for Firefox.

What's the tradeoff? Google gives you better results and it trucks you which let them offer you better ads and better (customized and contextualized) searh results. It's a win, wind and win situation.
I hope you're joking about the trade off.
 
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For me, Google performs waaaay better than Bing and duckduckgo.
Sure I don't like Google tracking me, but something I don't like even more is ****** search results.
Do you like curated results that don’t actually match reality?
 
I hope you're joking about the trade off.

Oh that see. Do people really have any options these days.

Bing tracks you
Yahoo tracks you
Google really tracks you.

Brave it is a company and not open source so they could be doing that
Opera a company and not open source so they could be doing that
Vivadi a company and not open source so they could be doing that

Do you trust companies? Where is there money coming in? It not open source.

Well FireFox is not clean as before with questionable stuff. It has no built in blocker and defaults to Google search when you first start it up. When I download Firefox and open the app for the iPad and desktop computer I have to dig in the settings to change it to Duckduckgo.

So the people on the dev team do not see a problem with ad blocking, ad tracking and defaults to Google search. So why should I really trust them.

Well sure probably no where as close to Google or Big they still could be tracking. I don’t see the dev team speaking about Google, tracking and ad tracking. All these must be locked down in the advance settings, ad block plus, extensions and search from Google to Duckduckg. Not good sign from dev team.

Do you like curated results that don’t actually match reality?

Not sure what you mean.

If you use Duckduckgo it can show hundreds of things Google does not show and Google can show hundreds of things Duckduckgo does not show.

In reality using all search engines be it yahoo, Google, bing, startpage and Duckduckgo are no where as good as database search on the computer.

All the search engines are showing only small part of the internet.

Google was better 10 years ago but gotten worse. The old Google was more similar to a database search and now it base on what the AI thinks you want or looking for.

Any AI will never be any where as good as a database search on key words and hot keys like AND,OR,NOT, and quote so on.
 
Hey guys... I'm getting the feeling that if you want privacy... you need to stay off the ****ing internet...

;)
 
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Hey guys... I'm getting the feeling that if you want privacy... you need to stay off the ****ing internet...

;)

The funny thing is even if Brave is not 100% at not tracking you well windows 10 is really tracking you:p And so will be windows 11:p Yep so will be windows 11. Microsoft will not remove that stuff.

And Apple that claim they are very anti tracking well because it not open source. You can not know for sure.

There was video showing that Microsoft was approached by the NASA and they put in a back door in Windows XP. Well Microsoft can say no, people really know that is very very very possible. It would be more crazy for the NASA not to approached Microsoft.

So even the older windows track you. It just windows 10 is doing it more and Microsoft like Google are not hiding it at all.

The only way is to use Linux but even Linux the destro Ubuntu got caught doing questionable things and dev had to back track.

So even Ubuntu is questionable now.

I hope you're joking about the trade off.
Well putting the privacy and tracking issue if Brave search away. I want to know is Brave search going to be similar to Bing search or Google?

Or is Brave going to show really different searches than any of them.
 
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It doesn’t matter, just like that a Wikipedia co-founder wanted to defeat Wikipedia.

Has of now I don’t care, none of the search engines are really any good they are okay but not good.

So other search engine by a company or two is welcome.

To bad Apple does not make a search engine with billions and billions of cash they could have really good search engine.

Because now it feels like the 90s all over again where you need to use 3 or 4 search engines and still not find the stuff that you are looking for.
 
Brave, chromium , Opera, Vivaldi, Microsoft Edge uses Chrome base engine.

Where Google Chrome just takes the Chrome base engine with more Google stuff on top of the Chrome engine called Google Chrome.

So unless you die hard open source than you do not know what is in the code.

But Chrome base browsers do seem faster and more snappy, but one of the problems is most of the web now is coded for Google than Firefox.

And Firefox is getting more bloated, less features and the model is different than model back in the old days when FireFox started. The FireFox today is not the FireFox in the old days.
Google would certainly like you to believe that, but it’s hardly true. No experience here with daily usage of Firefox.

Two universal rules for professional web developers:

1. Make sure your site is as cross platform as possible.
2. If you want to make actual $ thru your website, make sure it works in Safari.
 
Brave is literally OEM, re-skinned Chrome.

If you don’t trust Chrome, you shouldn’t trust Brave for the exact same reasons.
That has nothing to do with anything, and is partially inaccurate anyway. Google chrome itself is based upon chromium, as are others including Brave.
Chromium is an open source web engine which has no google bits added, although it’s maintained by Google in part. anyone can use it and do what they want with it, and can either keep their project open source or not. Brave does keep it open source contrary to what most of this massively out of context thread suggests.
 
Have Duckduckgo set as default search engine and it results aren't always as good when compared to Google, but again, Gogle is a data hoarder, so it's to be expected.

But not sure if many know the trick, but if you have Duckduckgo set as default engine, you can always just add " G! " to your search string, and it'll automatically search google instead. Works with other search engines as well, B! for Bing etc.
 


Brave, the browser which has gained momentum and popularity in recent years, is taking another leap forward in its quest to offer users a more private and secure internet experience. Starting today, Brave browser users will have access to Brave Search in beta, a completely new search engine that offers "unmatched privacy."


Brave Search was announced last March, and since its announcement, it's been tested by more than 100,000 users. Brave, which prides itself on being a "browser reimagined," recently surpassed 32 million monthly active users and is hoping that Brave Search will further its role in the browser market.

Brave Search beta is available to all Brave browser users on iOS, Android, and desktop starting today. At first, users will need to manually select Brave Search as their search engine option, alongside other choices such as Google and Bing. However, Brave Search will become the default and standard search engine for the Brave browser later this year.

Unlike Google and others, Brave Search doesn't track users, their searches, or clicks. Instead, Brave Search "puts users first, and fully in control of their online experience." The "completely independent" search engine also promises full transparency, with "no secret methods or algorithms for bias results," and soon will roll out "community-curated open ranking models to ensure diversity and prevent algorithmic biases" and censorship.

Brendan Eich, CEO and co-founder of Brave, says the new search engine is the "real alternative" to Big Tech, such as Google, and that it offers a new way for users to securely and privately browse the web without the worry of their privacy.One major upside for users using Brave Search, currently still in beta, is its ad-free experience. When the search engine exits beta, Brave is pledging to offer users options for an ad-free search experience and an "ad-supported free" experience later. The company also said it would "explore bringing private ads with BAT revenue share to search," as it's done for Brave Browser users.

brave-search-engine-results.png

Brave relies on its own index for the web, rather than relying on Google Search and Microsoft's Bing. To do this, Brave is relying on "anonymized contributions from the community to improve and refine results."At launch, Brave's index will still struggle to meet the levels of Google and others with search queries such as image search. Until Brave's index can expand, it will rely on using third-party APIs. Brave Search is also introducing an "independence metric" that will inform users on the independence of their search results to ensure no bias in the index or algorithm. Brave Search in beta is available starting today for Brave browsers on iOS, Android, and the desktop. It will also be available to non-Brave browser users at search.brave.com

Article Link: Brave Search Now Available in Beta as Privacy-Protecting Search Engine Alternative to Google
Well I submitted my website to www.bravesearch.com and it is not listing 90% of my pages for some reason (and looks absolute gash)
 
Have Duckduckgo set as default search engine and it results aren't always as good when compared to Google, but again, Gogle is a data hoarder, so it's to be expected.

But not sure if many know the trick, but if you have Duckduckgo set as default engine, you can always just add " G! " to your search string, and it'll automatically search google instead. Works with other search engines as well, B! for Bing etc.

So Duckduckgo will use Google search and pull it from Google but Google will not see the user IP address but Duckduckgo?

There are two searches an index search and search crawler well that how it was. Yahoo was index search and Google started of as crawler.

So if you typed in search box and say Brave privacy controversy or is Brave safe. How it would work is if Yahoo had index it only than it would show it.Well Google would look at the word string and crawl the internet and using things like say boolean search would show it.

So google would show geocities, blogs, yahoo clubs, yahoo answers , chat rooms and message boards anything using search string.

Than around 10 years ago the company started to deemphasizes boolean search and older searches and its AI looks at the data and filter out old posts on the internet, message boards and posting. Where what Google now wants to show you new stuff and websites from journalists.

The company Google also started deemphasizes showing conspiracy stuff saying searching say example is the vaccines safe or clime change. The AI will filter out conspiracy stuff and conservative stuff.

When comes to reddit posts and Quora it is new and Google will show some posts but many will not show up.

When it comes to computer problems it is very important it takes me to a message boards or when I'm searching for say a user opinions or polls.The problem is the AI thinks this is not fact but an opinion and filter this out now.

What the problem is that Google is switching to a more scholar search model now than database search where when Google started. In some cases using boolean search shows even less hits now.

If I search for my user name on Bing and some times Duckduckgo it will show more of my posting than say Google.

It like you got fish in the water and a search engines are throwing big net into the water and some search engines grab this and some grab that. And now Google AI looks and the fish and say may be you want this or this is harmful.

To some companies spend millions of dollars and give competition it will not get better.

But I fear at least if Apple ever got inter that say the businesses of making their own search model it will be base on AI search than database search.

Other thing it is easier to steal pictures of the internet with Duckduckgo where Google image search shows thumbnails now and take you to the website and only there can you view it. :eek:

Bing has a much better video search than Google. You can search many youtube videos on Bing and X rated videos with out leaving bing search and going to the website.

The problem is any computer database search is way more better than any AI search.

I show hope Brave does not use AI but go back to using boolean search.
 
Because now it feels like the 90s all over again where you need to use 3 or 4 search engines and still not find the stuff that you are looking for.
The situation is becoming worse now. Results are corrupted by content farms, and valuable user contents are locked inside the social networking services/apps.
 
Well putting the privacy and tracking issue if Brave search away. I want to know is Brave search going to be similar to Bing search or Google?

Or is Brave going to show really different searches than any of them.
It's going to be similar to Google. It pulls Google results "anonymously".

Oh that see. Do people really have any options these days.

Bing tracks you
Yahoo tracks you
Google really tracks you.

Brave it is a company and not open source so they could be doing that
Opera a company and not open source so they could be doing that
Vivadi a company and not open source so they could be doing that

Do you trust companies? Where is there money coming in? It not open source.

Well FireFox is not clean as before with questionable stuff. It has no built in blocker and defaults to Google search when you first start it up. When I download Firefox and open the app for the iPad and desktop computer I have to dig in the settings to change it to Duckduckgo.

So the people on the dev team do not see a problem with ad blocking, ad tracking and defaults to Google search. So why should I really trust them.

Well sure probably no where as close to Google or Big they still could be tracking. I don’t see the dev team speaking about Google, tracking and ad tracking. All these must be locked down in the advance settings, ad block plus, extensions and search from Google to Duckduckg. Not good sign from dev team.
Well the simple fact that Google is giving Mozilla truckloads of money to keep Google as the default search engine is annoying. Firefox can at least be tweaked a LOT however you want. It's not private out of the box, but it can be made to be more than any other browser.

So Duckduckgo will use Google search and pull it from Google but Google will not see the user IP address but Duckduckgo?

There are two searches an index search and search crawler well that how it was. Yahoo was index search and Google started of as crawler.

So if you typed in search box and say Brave privacy controversy or is Brave safe. How it would work is if Yahoo had index it only than it would show it.Well Google would look at the word string and crawl the internet and using things like say boolean search would show it.

So google would show geocities, blogs, yahoo clubs, yahoo answers , chat rooms and message boards anything using search string.

Than around 10 years ago the company started to deemphasizes boolean search and older searches and its AI looks at the data and filter out old posts on the internet, message boards and posting. Where what Google now wants to show you new stuff and websites from journalists.

The company Google also started deemphasizes showing conspiracy stuff saying searching say example is the vaccines safe or clime change. The AI will filter out conspiracy stuff and conservative stuff.

When comes to reddit posts and Quora it is new and Google will show some posts but many will not show up.

When it comes to computer problems it is very important it takes me to a message boards or when I'm searching for say a user opinions or polls.The problem is the AI thinks this is not fact but an opinion and filter this out now.

What the problem is that Google is switching to a more scholar search model now than database search where when Google started. In some cases using boolean search shows even less hits now.

If I search for my user name on Bing and some times Duckduckgo it will show more of my posting than say Google.

It like you got fish in the water and a search engines are throwing big net into the water and some search engines grab this and some grab that. And now Google AI looks and the fish and say may be you want this or this is harmful.

To some companies spend millions of dollars and give competition it will not get better.

But I fear at least if Apple ever got inter that say the businesses of making their own search model it will be base on AI search than database search.

Other thing it is easier to steal pictures of the internet with Duckduckgo where Google image search shows thumbnails now and take you to the website and only there can you view it. :eek:

Bing has a much better video search than Google. You can search many youtube videos on Bing and X rated videos with out leaving bing search and going to the website.

The problem is any computer database search is way more better than any AI search.

I show hope Brave does not use AI but go back to using boolean search.
I never thought I'd say this, but Google is now the worst search engine. I find that DuckDuckGo and even Bing give better search results now. Google flat out doesn't show articles it thinks you shouldn't see. Bing censors results too now, just not to the extent of Google. Microsoft was censoring searches in China of Tiananmen Square, which is really messed up. They said it was an "accident" they were doing this in China, which is nonsense.
 
Well the simple fact that Google is giving Mozilla truckloads of money to keep Google as the default search engine is annoying. Firefox can at least be tweaked a LOT however you want. It's not private out of the box, but it can be made to be more than any other browser.
There is a problem here though. These very plugins can aid with fingerprinting. Tweaking as much as is possible is just aiding the whole thing. The best browser security is multiple (millions) of people using the exact same browser with the exact same setting and plugins (of course, all other things being equal; ip hiding etc).
that’s why recent Safari advances - which are default with the exception of ip hiding which is an error on apples part, makes it an extremely generic and untrackable browser.
this is why an out of the box tor browser couple with the multi hop nature of relays etc, is only the most secure until you start messing with stuff.
 
I’ve been using Brave this year with DuckDuckGo as the default search engine.
once you switch off all the non-required settings in prefs, I’ve found it to be great for ad blocking.
if DuckDuckGo doesn’t give a good result I just go to googles site and try there but DuckDuckGo mostly works for me.
- certainly worth giving brave a try.
 
We don't all have to use the same thing. If you want to use DDG, go ahead. It's trustworthy, unlike anything Brave touches, but either way I don't bother with it.
I've tried Brave and it's okay. Someone at work was enthusiastic about Coinbase and other crypto currency, so I tried it for a while. I prefer Firefox with DuckDuckGo, although the Malwarebytes extension helps Chrome and others.
 
To bad Apple does not make a search engine with billions and billions of cash they could have really good search engine.
It's going to be similar to Google. It pulls Google results "anonymously".
The article says that Brave is using their own search index that they're building up.
 

The article says that Brave is using their own search index that they're building up.
Brave themselves have stated during the beta that they are pulling results from Google anonymously when their search engine doesn't have enough results. It's a temporary solution as they build up their search index.
 
It is funny some one does not built a search engine that goes out onto yahoo, google, bing and duckduckgo so on and show the results.

And people don’t have to use 3 or 4 search engines you go to this one search engine and it goes out onto the other search engines.

Brave themselves have stated during the beta that they are pulling results from Google anonymously when their search engine doesn't have enough results. It's a temporary solution as they build up their search index.
Well it would be interesting to see what Brave and Apple can come up with. And give some competition.
 
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