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Brazil Demands Apple Explain How iPhone Owners Can Obtain Battery Replacements
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These Apple apologist are the reason why we are being called sheep.
I love Apple, Steve Jobs, Ive, Forstall, Bob, Cook, Craig and others but I fully support this stance against them, be transparent and don't be greedy evil.
I love Apple, Steve Jobs, Ive, Forstall, Bob, Cook, Craig and others but I fully support this stance against them, be transparent and don't be greedy evil.
Utter rubbish. Final straw? omg.
I know... people expect Apple to have invented batteries that don't degrade over time, like 100% of all other batteries ever made.
Once again missing the point, MacRumors. There are many countries around the world where there are NO official Apple support mechanisms. Try finding one in Colombia, South America. Apple sells phones through authorized dealers there, but does not offer any type of official repair/replacement service. What are those customers supposed to do?
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Oh come on. People should not expect their iPhone batteries to degrade dramatically in just two years.
That is the first step for a federal class action lawsuit in Brazil. I am not sure if Apple will be laughing at the end.
They degrade at exactly the same rate as all batteries. Nothing different here with than with batteries in any other consumer device.
So that explains why my 3GS, 4S, 5, and 5S all have no problem, but my 6 does, and even a less than 1 year old iPhone 7?
It's not really the point anyways. The point is that Apple hid the fact that they throttle iPhones based on battery health, which nobody would suspect. Even Apple techs didn't seem to know. The throttling also starts well above the 80% threshold where Apple considers the battery "Healthy" and won't replace it (even if you had asked).
So people with slow phones would have been advised to upgrade to a new phone under the assumption that nothing physically was wrong, just iOS bogging it down (as it always, always does).
Sounds like Android and Windows would suit you much better.
From https://www.apple.com/nz/iphone-battery-and-performance/
- Apple is reducing the price of an out-of-warranty iPhone battery replacement by NZ$90 — from NZ$139 to NZ$49 — for anyone with an iPhone 6 or later whose battery needs to be replaced, available worldwide through to December 2018. Details will be provided soon on apple.com/nz.
Normally that might make sense
BUT I don’t see them offering replacements for even older iPhone SE batteries. Nor do I see them offering battery replacements for iPad Air 2. What about the batteries in older MacBook Pros?
So you can see I don’t follow your logic. If you want people to believe that all batteries degrade the same way, then why aren’t they offering battery replacements for all these still supported devices much older than iPhone 6?
Why did Apple initially only offer this service to select users if all batteries degrade at the same rate in the same devices? By your logic, they would all need replacing.
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Do they really? An iPhone battery is designed to last half the cycles of an Watch, iPad and MacBook.
iPhone Owners
Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles.
Apple Watch Owners
Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 1000 complete charge cycles.
iPad Owners
Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 1000 complete charge cycles.
iPod Owners
Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 400 complete charge cycles.
MacBook Owners
Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 1000 complete charge cycles.
https://www.apple.com/batteries/service-and-recycling/
I find this interesting.......
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Never understood this line of thinking. I mean having a quick look you've been a member for 10 years and posted just a couple of hundred messages. What am I getting at? I don't know as it means nothing really.
In fact the rate of posting by the OP is higher than yours. Again, means nothing.
Got a friend at work and weirdly enough she said to me that I was the one that got her into Apple gear and she wouldn't now consider any other brand. She'd never heard of MacRumors till mentioned it though.........
Huh i live in Germany
What „myth“ your links actually just proof what i was saying. They discussed it but it failed to get the necessary votes
This entire battery thing is getting ridiculous! I have owned many non Apple smart phones that have gotten much slower in only a few months and the battery degraded after a year or so! But it seems it only becomes a big thing and media loves it only when it has to do with Apple.
Indeed they deserve the backlash and even more for "putting a gun on customers head" and forcing them to buy their products that have no headphone jack, have ugly notch, no usb on their macbook pro, and slowing down their phones to prevent shut downs.
Seriously, it's a mad mad world out there. I could be wrong but I think as a human species we are becoming more and more stupid by day.
Indeed they deserve the backlash and even more for "putting a gun on customers head" and forcing them to buy their products that have no headphone jack, have ugly notch, no usb on their macbook pro, and slowing down their phones to prevent shut downs.
Seriously, it's a mad mad world out there. I could be wrong but I think as a human species we are becoming more and more stupid by day.
Maybe you should stop buying Apple products then....
Oh wait...you won't because Apple makes the best electronics with the best support anywhere.
Sorry, but............
No way on earth should a premium $1000+ product be designed in such a way that it will need to be repaired/opened up with specialist tools after probably just over a year.
Apple could just as easy decide to alter the designing of future models (let's say 2019 onward) to allow easy user changing on the battery.
Or it could fit higher capacity/quality batteries that will last longer in the 1st place.
Myself, I wish they would do both.
Phones used to be able to have the backs removed, and were thin enough.
Samsung used to always have backs you could clip off, till they made the stupid decision, due a lot of media negativity that kept saying a metal sealed back was QUALITY and anything else was just JUNK PLASTIC.
And look where this has got us.
Terrible for the consumer.
Plastic can be stronger, have a better grip, have a nicer feel, allow you to alter colours of the back even, and "un-clippable" so you could put in a battery easy, without booking in for a repair, which may only last another 12 - 18 months.
We've gone backwards bigtime for the sake of fashion
No way on earth should a premium $1000+ product be designed in such a way that it will need to be repaired/opened up with specialist tools after probably just over a year.
Apple could just as easy decide to alter the designing of future models (let's say 2019 onward) to allow easy user changing on the battery.
Or it could fit higher capacity/quality batteries that will last longer in the 1st place.
Myself, I wish they would do both.
Phones used to be able to have the backs removed, and were thin enough.
Samsung used to always have backs you could clip off, till they made the stupid decision, due a lot of media negativity that kept saying a metal sealed back was QUALITY and anything else was just JUNK PLASTIC.
And look where this has got us.
Terrible for the consumer.
Plastic can be stronger, have a better grip, have a nicer feel, allow you to alter colours of the back even, and "un-clippable" so you could put in a battery easy, without booking in for a repair, which may only last another 12 - 18 months.
We've gone backwards bigtime for the sake of fashion
If you think that was done to make phones thin then you obviously are wrong. There are phones from early 2000, much more thinner then any phone today and they had removable plastic back.
Plastic for me? No thanks. Anyone who loves plastic maybe should be looking somewhere else (plenty out there) and not at Apple. Apple does premium stuff.
You see this is a problem, just mentally (and I don't mean this in an insulting way)
There is NOTHING premium over Plastic/Metal/Glass.
This is a made up imaginary concept.
Plastic could be the most rare element, and viewed as massively premium over metal/glass and be exactly the same product as today.
That's like saying this F1 car is cheap and tacky as it's got plastic parts, where the slow car made from metal is premium.
It's an imaginary concept.
The fact that the vast majority of people put their phones in cases, makes this even more pointless
yet other devices after two years work well, while iphone works like it has 133 mhz processor.
I stooped reading right here.
In the world where I live plastic is everywhere.
And by premium I don't just mean build materials. It's an entire combination of Design, attention to details, elegance, materials etc. And for me Apple does tick the boxes on all these. Obviously you and many guys here are free to disagree.
Well... there's a lot more to that list. The Apple TV 4 was announced having Siri and that was an integral part of the product. Although, this is still not available in Austria or Switzerland. Neither in German nor in English, which is completely ridiculous considering the country size. Germany has 80M citizens and Austria 8M. So, they certainly can't argue with server capacity...
Apple has now launched 2nd gen of that half baked product... Would not invest a single cent again. With their policy (also regarding HomeKit) the HomePod stands no chance against Alexa/Echo. Apples Management is way too far up in their ivory towers to clearly see the market. Whoever thought iPhoto would be a replacement for Aperture is serves best proof for that. Next on the list of f**kups seems to be cancelling the iPad Mini.
B2T: The way Apple implemented the throttling is non-standard. It's normal to throttle the CPU when the battery is degraded AND at low capacity. A full battery -even if wearlevel is 80%- can and should delivery full performance. However, at low capacity a peak load might pull more power than the battery can handle*, thus would cause a crash.
(*actually the battery may be able to handle it, but the battery management system will enforce a cut-off to prevent a deep-discharg of the battery -which is essential for Lithium batteries as they don't survive deep-cycles -and if they do, they significantly lose capacity.)
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