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Brazil Latest Country to Consider Forcing Apple to Adopt USB-C for iPhones

Writing's definitely on the wall!

On a related note, I just noticed our fancy German vaccuum cleaner has, in addition to its retractable cord, a very well hidden little outlet to plug in a universal EU power cord. I suspect they are mandated to have one, even if there's already an inbuilt power cord.
 
I would love to see iPhone switch to USB-C, but with a trap door mechanism that keeps the port sealed when not in use. I only use the port for CarPlay, and a bigger hole is only going to take in more pocket lint.
 
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nick9191 said:
How do you come up with a new standard with this model? If the USB standard falls down over time and isn’t able to meet the needs of its users? Not defending Apple as exactly the same thing has happened to Lightning, but how would you define a new standard if various Governments define USB as the only port that can be used?
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Either a new working group is formed by companies or a government funds an initiative that creates a new working group, it creates a standard, either as part of the group or under something like the IEEE umbrella, it gets proposed to regulators as an alternative, and after a lot of back and forth gets adopted, same as any other standard.

That said USBC isnt going anywhere for a long, long time
 
amartinez1660 said:
If the legislation is in big part about e-waste though, there shouldn’t be two different cables with different properties either… for arguments sake, if I have one USB-C cable and/or slot that only does power delivery, then I’ll need ANOTHER one for data if I had wanted to “re-use” said cable somewhere else… except that this extra cable can’t be lighting, has to be USB-C.

Same Thunderbolt vs USBC, they should all be thunderbolt then for maximum reuse.

I would agree to never ever see again USBA/B/micro/mini/etc connectors and cables starting as of now though.
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The standard is for the general charging standard and the physical port, what protocol it handles beyond that is immaterial, the standard is around power....
 
Can anyone guess where the USB-C port is being indicated from the graphic in the article?

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USB-C would be great ... but I can't help to wonder what would an iPhone with MagSafe 3 connector look/function like, all while making use of the charging led indicator in the plug.

In fact let others adapt MagSafe 3, and slap that on all Apple products, and everything else o_O
 
USB-C. Perfect connector interface for those that plan to replace their phone annually.
 
ericwn said:
Apple never included any adapter with iPhones as far as I can remember.
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I can’t find the reference now (too much commercial clutter on those keywords), but I remember reading that the lightning to microusb adapter was included in the box for some phones.
 
FaustsHausUK said:
Again, USB-C is just a connector specification. If these governments really cared, they would also mandate the USB4 specification.
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Right. And when 5 came out if it was not backward compatible you can't use it. Mandating a specific plug based standard would hasten teh move to wireless charging and OTA synching/transfer.

Interestingly, a number of standards in the US, for example, such as power and telephone POTS, were the result of companies convincing the governement a regulated monopoly was the best solution.

Perhaps Apple should push to be that...

seek3r said:
Either a new working group is formed by companies or a government funds an initiative that creates a new working group, it creates a standard, either as part of the group or under something like the IEEE umbrella, it gets proposed to regulators as an alternative, and after a lot of back and forth gets adopted, same as any other standard.

That said USBC isnt going anywhere for a long, long time
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Having worked on standards, they wind up being a lowest common denominator with a lot of "you can also" and "this is for custom use" language to allow many variations from the standard. It really should be RUSB-C, for "Relatively Universal..."

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The standard is for the general charging standard and the physical port, what protocol it handles beyond that is immaterial, the standard is around power....
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Right, which is why the idea that one cable will rule them all is wrong.
 
And when Apple finally gives in after being forced to, the people on here will be like "That's why I've always liked Apple" and "Thank you Apple for listening to your customers!"
 
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antiprotest said:
And when Apple finally gives in after being forced to, the people on here will be like "That's why I've always liked Apple" and "Thank you Apple for listening to your customers!"
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To be fair to Apple, they introduced Firewire before many PC manufacturers and have much higher use of TB4 in their recent devices. If they ditched the Lightning port and replaced it with TB4 over USB-C on the iPhone, that would be an excellent upgrade for everyone and would go beyond what the EU is asking for.
 
bgarnett said:
Do people still plug in to charge these days? How 2018 of them. Just remove the damned port all together and MagSafe.
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That would still violate the USB-C mandate, as magsafe is still considered a port and would need a different charging cable.
 
boak said:
I know that. What if a different pin in the connector is required?
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For what? TB? USB-C is the “outer shell” so to speak, it’s superior over lightning and Apple had years to adopt it… as much as i am against government involvement in tech - this is long overdue and shame on Apple for not leading the way
 
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Do it Brazil, Do it US.

Let's get the iPhone 15 to be usb-c! Yes, I'll miss the tight connection of the lightning, but that is all.
 
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antiprotest said:
And when Apple finally gives in after being forced to, the people on here will be like "That's why I've always liked Apple" and "Thank you Apple for listening to your customers!"
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Yes, but if you look at the usernames of the posts… those will be names that currently want USB-C :)
 
lartola said:
That would still violate the USB-C mandate, as magsafe is still considered a port and would need a different charging cable.
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No, magsafe is considered ‘wireless charging’ and it’s already following the Qi standard and can be used with/by any Qi compatible device.
 
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ruka.snow said:
It is sad that governments all over the world will have to force Apple to get with the times on charging with a standard port…that they love enough to shove on everything else.
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Nobody complained back in the days of the 30-pin connector... Suddenly, now everyone got interested in enforcing a specific plug.

The Lightning port design was superior in many ways: Small, very durable, reliable. But the fact that was controlled by Apple, limited in performance and required a chip built into every cable may have been what sparked this interest.

USB-C opens the doors to so many options. Connectors, ports, cables, etc., without the Apple tax.
I remember paying about $50 for a Lightning to HDMI adapter. You can buy a really good USB-C to HDMI cable for less than $15.00, and it works for your iPad and Mac.

So in the end, this is turning out to be a good thing.
 
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jz0309 said:
For what? TB? USB-C is the “outer shell” so to speak, it’s superior over lightning and Apple had years to adopt it… as much as i am against government involvement in tech - this is long overdue and shame on Apple for not leading the way
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A hypothetical new tech
 
Ostagazuzulum said:
Personally I’d like to see all these legislations eventually include retirement of USB 2.0/3.0 B, 2.0/3.0 Mini B, 2.0/3.0 Micro B, for all new devices if at all possible. And eventually USB A. Someone can explain to me why all these other variants would still be needed for new devices in the future.
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It’s certainly possible, but that mean that they remove all alternative and remove all competition and other licences/ patents… but let’s go green 🤣
 
boak said:
A hypothetical new tech
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Nice snark, but the USB-C port shape has demonstrated that it is robust enough to handle new technologies like Thunderbolt and USB 4.0 compared to when it was first released. Meanwhile Lightning hans't improved its data speed or external display support which is why the iPad Pro/Air no longer use it.
 
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