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Breaking Bad - Awaiting the Final Episodes **Spoilers**
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Bong-ba-dawawah-bong-CHANG bong-chang donk-de-dank-do
...and that's all I've got to say about that. YEEEAAAAHHHH!
...and that's all I've got to say about that. YEEEAAAAHHHH!
I just finished watching the episode. Another wow factor showing. It was a little different this time, but good nonetheless. After all these years of being in the desert, it was a little odd watching Walt in the snow.
He all but gave up after talking to Flynn.... until he saw the Charlie Rose show. Now he has a new target. His pride, obviously, is his achilles' heel and it won't let go of him.
Yep, it's the pride thing. Pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.
Yeah, stomach butterflies too!
Sure was!
I doubt we'll see Saul again. Lydia, maybe.
Nice!
Is it next week yet?
He all but gave up after talking to Flynn.... until he saw the Charlie Rose show. Now he has a new target. His pride, obviously, is his achilles' heel and it won't let go of him.
Yep, it's the pride thing. Pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.
Yeah, stomach butterflies too!
Breaking Bad for sure, I never know what's coming
The ending this week was electric.
Sure was!
I doubt we'll see Saul again. Lydia, maybe.
Nice!
Is it next week yet?
If anyone deserves a somewhat positive ending (I won't say happy because lets face it, it's not that kind of show), it's Jessie.
If you were to pick one reason why Walt deserves retribution, again the answer is Jessie.
I just don't see a good ending for Jesse, at least not one that doesn't feel a little bit contrived. I hate to say it, because he does deserve it. He deserves to live, to find the 69 million dollars left of Walt's fortune, and to be a father to Brock.
But you know how the show is. It'll seem like things are headed that way until the very last second...
...then you'll see Todd shoots him in the back of the head, making him the only character still alive by the end.
This is the last thing I hope happens, but I'm preparing for the gut punch nonetheless.
I don't know guys. I like Jesse too and feel some empathy for his situation but you have to remember he brought this life upon himself. From what we've seen he was brought up in a very good home with loving, if somewhat vengeful, parents. He wasn't raped as a boy that we know of or any other terrible act. He was a spoiled brat that wasted his education and started dealing meth, which has consequences... The show has done a pretty good job thusfar of street justice, not without civilian casualties though... It's a tough life out there.
I thought about how everything in this series wraps back around...
My theory:
What if Walt finds out that Lydia is the middle-person between him and Grey Matter.. And that he was still unknowingly working for his ex girlfriend/college roommate AND they're still profiting off him (for the European market).
My theory:
What if Walt finds out that Lydia is the middle-person between him and Grey Matter.. And that he was still unknowingly working for his ex girlfriend/college roommate AND they're still profiting off him (for the European market).
With one episode left, Walt has an awful lot to accomplish - in his mind anyway.
He has to kill the neo-nazis and get his millions back and he needs to get revenge on Elliott & Gretchen Schwartz, of Grey Matters, for making him look bad on TV, taking credit for his work and being successful.
I have to wonder if he is going to somehow try and get the neo-nazis over to the Schwatz's place for a big battle or get them in a cross-fire.
He needs to accomplish both goals, all the while avoiding the authorities.
I suppose a third goal would be to get his family back too. But I believe its safe to say that won't happen.
He has to kill the neo-nazis and get his millions back and he needs to get revenge on Elliott & Gretchen Schwartz, of Grey Matters, for making him look bad on TV, taking credit for his work and being successful.
I have to wonder if he is going to somehow try and get the neo-nazis over to the Schwatz's place for a big battle or get them in a cross-fire.
He needs to accomplish both goals, all the while avoiding the authorities.
I suppose a third goal would be to get his family back too. But I believe its safe to say that won't happen.
I've gone on and on about the cyclical nature of the show. From Walt himself, the way he's reliving a much more violent, destructive version of his earlier life, to the meth business itself. Everyone involved seems to follow a pattern of events and consequences.
You only have to barely think about it to see that Gus and Walt's lives are nearly mirror images of each other. The incidentals play out differently, but each one ends up finding themselves in strikingly similar circumstances.
Okay, this is gonna be kinda long, so bear with me...
Think about Gus' life in the drug business. He and his friend want to start manufacturing meth. There was money to be made, and they wanted their share. They get together, cook up a bit, sell it around town, then go to the cartel for their blessing. They're greeted with open, friendly arms, and it seems to be the start of a nice working relationship.
...until Gus' friend gets a bullet in the head for their effort. He's executed right on the spot at a supposedly friendly gathering. Gus is spared due to who he knows. The cartel doesn't like him, but they can't touch him. Gus, of course, feels betrayed.
Despite all these hurt feelings, Gus continues to work for them, brooding and seething all the while. The cartel believes they have him under control. They've think they've made their point, and assume he'll stay in line. Gus goes north of the border, and builds their business into a thriving empire.
Once Walt enters the picture, Gus realizes he's amassed enough power and leverage to both strike out on his own, and take his long delayed vengeance against those who wronged him all those years ago.
...and I'm not gonna go into the details, but you all know how it ends. The cartel can't make a move against him, and Gus knows it. All they can do is make examples of the people around him. He's openly defiant, walking into a hail of sniper fire because he knows...he knows...they can't pull the trigger on him. He's too important to their business. It all ends with him being welcomed into the home of his most hated enemy as a show of respect, and it's there where he makes his final move.
Now contrast all that to Walt's life in the drug biz. He and Jesse want to manufacture meth. He's dying, and he wants to leave a nice nest egg for his family. They bake up a few batches, sell it around town, a bunch of misadventures happen, and Walt eventually meets Gus.
They get together as businessmen, sharing a mutual respect for one another. Long story short, Gus very soon finds out Walt's too unstable to rely upon, and needs to be rid of him as soon as possible. Thing is, he can't do it. Walt's too important to his plans against the cartel. Gus attempts to finagle a replacement, who Walt quickly dispatches, leaving him without any other options. He has to endure Walt. He can't kill him because of what he knows.
And so even more longer story short, Walt kills Gus, and creates his own empire. He meets Todd, who introduces him to the nazi bikers, and things go swimmingly. Walt's sitting on 80 million dollars, and decides to retire from the business. It all seems to work out perfectly for him...
...until Hank finds out, which leads to him dying in the desert, which eventually spurs Walt on to revenge.
In the meantime, Lydia is working with Todd, trying to fill the void Walt left when he retired from the business.
So if you look at it like that, Todd and the nazis are to Walt what Walt was to Gus. The wrench in the works, the fly in the ointment, the people who wronged him. So if I kind of build up from this, here's what I think is gonna happen...
-Walt will kill Lydia. I'm thinking with the Ricin tablet.
-Todd will realize this, and it'll piss him off. Greatly.
-At some point, Walt will end up walking into the nazi compound out in the desert, acting all buddy buddy before he strikes out at them, likely using explosives, that big gun, and all other kinds of cool stuff. Todd probably won't be at the compound during the attack. Rule of drama will probably have him discovering Lydia's body as it's all going down.
-But Todd will eventually kill Walt, picking up the reigns and continuing the meth trade using his formula.
Jesse? I dunno where fits in. He's one of many wild cards in play here at the end. He'll either live to provide that one silver lining to an otherwise brutal ending, or die as that final gutpunch to the audience.
...holy crap, this was a long post.
You only have to barely think about it to see that Gus and Walt's lives are nearly mirror images of each other. The incidentals play out differently, but each one ends up finding themselves in strikingly similar circumstances.
Okay, this is gonna be kinda long, so bear with me...
Think about Gus' life in the drug business. He and his friend want to start manufacturing meth. There was money to be made, and they wanted their share. They get together, cook up a bit, sell it around town, then go to the cartel for their blessing. They're greeted with open, friendly arms, and it seems to be the start of a nice working relationship.
...until Gus' friend gets a bullet in the head for their effort. He's executed right on the spot at a supposedly friendly gathering. Gus is spared due to who he knows. The cartel doesn't like him, but they can't touch him. Gus, of course, feels betrayed.
Despite all these hurt feelings, Gus continues to work for them, brooding and seething all the while. The cartel believes they have him under control. They've think they've made their point, and assume he'll stay in line. Gus goes north of the border, and builds their business into a thriving empire.
Once Walt enters the picture, Gus realizes he's amassed enough power and leverage to both strike out on his own, and take his long delayed vengeance against those who wronged him all those years ago.
...and I'm not gonna go into the details, but you all know how it ends. The cartel can't make a move against him, and Gus knows it. All they can do is make examples of the people around him. He's openly defiant, walking into a hail of sniper fire because he knows...he knows...they can't pull the trigger on him. He's too important to their business. It all ends with him being welcomed into the home of his most hated enemy as a show of respect, and it's there where he makes his final move.
Now contrast all that to Walt's life in the drug biz. He and Jesse want to manufacture meth. He's dying, and he wants to leave a nice nest egg for his family. They bake up a few batches, sell it around town, a bunch of misadventures happen, and Walt eventually meets Gus.
They get together as businessmen, sharing a mutual respect for one another. Long story short, Gus very soon finds out Walt's too unstable to rely upon, and needs to be rid of him as soon as possible. Thing is, he can't do it. Walt's too important to his plans against the cartel. Gus attempts to finagle a replacement, who Walt quickly dispatches, leaving him without any other options. He has to endure Walt. He can't kill him because of what he knows.
And so even more longer story short, Walt kills Gus, and creates his own empire. He meets Todd, who introduces him to the nazi bikers, and things go swimmingly. Walt's sitting on 80 million dollars, and decides to retire from the business. It all seems to work out perfectly for him...
...until Hank finds out, which leads to him dying in the desert, which eventually spurs Walt on to revenge.
In the meantime, Lydia is working with Todd, trying to fill the void Walt left when he retired from the business.
So if you look at it like that, Todd and the nazis are to Walt what Walt was to Gus. The wrench in the works, the fly in the ointment, the people who wronged him. So if I kind of build up from this, here's what I think is gonna happen...
-Walt will kill Lydia. I'm thinking with the Ricin tablet.
-Todd will realize this, and it'll piss him off. Greatly.
-At some point, Walt will end up walking into the nazi compound out in the desert, acting all buddy buddy before he strikes out at them, likely using explosives, that big gun, and all other kinds of cool stuff. Todd probably won't be at the compound during the attack. Rule of drama will probably have him discovering Lydia's body as it's all going down.
-But Todd will eventually kill Walt, picking up the reigns and continuing the meth trade using his formula.
Jesse? I dunno where fits in. He's one of many wild cards in play here at the end. He'll either live to provide that one silver lining to an otherwise brutal ending, or die as that final gutpunch to the audience.
...holy crap, this was a long post.
Great recap! Truly.
I like your theory for next week, but I think it's missing Elliot and Gretchen in there somewhere. I was thinking, after my last post, that the ricin may be for them, and the M60 for the neo-nazis. I don't really think Walt will be going after Lydia, at least directly. She may be caught in a battle and taken out in a firefight though.
I just read a recap on Wired.com which was really good too.
Elliot and Gretchen have a bigger, darker role imo. Everything around Grey Matter seems like it was propped up by drugs with Lydia and, formerly, Gus.
Gus=US/Mexico distribution - Los Pollos Hermanos (now defunct)
Lydia=German/Ukranian logistics for overseas - Madrigal Electromotive (executive)
Grey Matter=Oversees everything. Has vested interest in all companies below it.
Walt fits in by being the brains behind the drugs, and ironically to the success of Grey Matter AGAIN.
Once Walt realizes this, he'll want to kill Elliot, Gretchen and Lydia more than anyone else because they've been literally squeezing all life out of him for so many years.
I dunno. I think Elliot and Gretchen are more the catalyst to get Walt moving again than anything. Watching them on TV made him realize he still has one thing left, the one thing still worth fighting for, the one thing that's, deep down, the most important thing to him. His name and legacy.
His family hates him. They're lost to him forever. What else can he do? Go down in a blaze of visible, terrible, attention seeking glory, thinking if you can't be loved and respected, you might as well be infamous.
"Remember My Name".
...but you never know. Even after writing my little essay out above, I don't think the ending is gonna play out exactly like that. I think it'll hit a few of those notes, but something else will happen. Something out of left field we weren't expecting, but'll make perfect sense when we see it all go down.
Breaking Bad has never been a slave to its plot, so it's almost impossible to predict what will happen. That's one of the many, many things that make it such a cool show.
That was pretty good, appreciate the link.
There seems to be an awful lot to potentially be addressed next week, in just one episode. So I wish these last two were an hour as several minutes can make a lot of difference, however this episode clocks in at just over 53 minutes!
Not enough dammit, not enough!
Also, after that tragic shot-to-the-back-of-the-head in this episode, I can't help but think that Jesse must, will, be dealing out some death Todd's way.
On the subject of Jesse and where he may end up: isn't there virtually nothing left of him now? He seems utterly destroyed.
The only possible way I can see any sort of way for him to continue as a living human being is if they find some way to send him off on his journey with Brock.
Whether that would feel a touch contrived or not would possibly be down to how it came about, but short of that I don't think there's any other way for him to carry on living.
As for Walt; I hope come the end of next weeks episode he is still alive(even if not for much longer due to cancer).
The phone call he made in last weeks episode redeemed him in my eyes to a great degree, and illustrated that some seismic shift took place within him in the course of just a few hours - in effect between Hank getting killed and him standing holding Holly as she cried 'Mama'
The torture he went through when Skyler asked about Hank and he 'had' to pretend to have mercilessly dealt with him was so, so heartbreaking to see.
Watching next weeks episode is going to be very difficult.
Not enough dammit, not enough!
Also, after that tragic shot-to-the-back-of-the-head in this episode, I can't help but think that Jesse must, will, be dealing out some death Todd's way.
On the subject of Jesse and where he may end up: isn't there virtually nothing left of him now? He seems utterly destroyed.
The only possible way I can see any sort of way for him to continue as a living human being is if they find some way to send him off on his journey with Brock.
Whether that would feel a touch contrived or not would possibly be down to how it came about, but short of that I don't think there's any other way for him to carry on living.
As for Walt; I hope come the end of next weeks episode he is still alive(even if not for much longer due to cancer).
The phone call he made in last weeks episode redeemed him in my eyes to a great degree, and illustrated that some seismic shift took place within him in the course of just a few hours - in effect between Hank getting killed and him standing holding Holly as she cried 'Mama'
The torture he went through when Skyler asked about Hank and he 'had' to pretend to have mercilessly dealt with him was so, so heartbreaking to see.
Watching next weeks episode is going to be very difficult.
Walt realizes he has lost everything and is totally alone when Flynn hangs up on him. He even says, then it was all for nothing. And there was the pitiful reminder of his loneliness when he paid the man who helped him disappear $10K to stay for an extra hour. He calls the DEA, knowing they will trace the call and come to NH looking for him. He sees Eliot and Gretchen on TV dismissing his contribution to Grey Matter. Gretchen says that the sweet man Walter White is long gone. Then the tidbit about the blue meth appearing again. Walt has suddenly become totally alone and irrelevant. What a deadly blow to his ego.
Will he listen to the kind things Gretchen said and do what he can to redeem himself? Or was that and the blue meth enough to send him even more off of the deep end? He knows that Jesse is alive and cooking for Uncle Jack and Todd. He has also stated his intent to kill Jack and his gang. Will he save Jesse? Will Jesse kill him? What about Todd? Will Jesse kill him?
Flashback to the first episode of this final season over a year ago. Walt is back in NM, having breakfast on his 52nd birthday. The waitress asks him how long it took to get there from NH and he replies 28 hours or something like that. He buys the M60 machine gun and states that it won't be leaving town.
Flashback to the first episode of this season, Walt going into his vandalized house to get the ricin he had hidden there.
He must be going after Uncle Jack and company. Will he go out in a blaze of glory? Or will he take the ricin after he takes care of business? I don't see him killing Gretchen and Eliot. And don't forget, the name of the final season is Remember My Name. Will his ego prevail?
Will he listen to the kind things Gretchen said and do what he can to redeem himself? Or was that and the blue meth enough to send him even more off of the deep end? He knows that Jesse is alive and cooking for Uncle Jack and Todd. He has also stated his intent to kill Jack and his gang. Will he save Jesse? Will Jesse kill him? What about Todd? Will Jesse kill him?
Flashback to the first episode of this final season over a year ago. Walt is back in NM, having breakfast on his 52nd birthday. The waitress asks him how long it took to get there from NH and he replies 28 hours or something like that. He buys the M60 machine gun and states that it won't be leaving town.
Flashback to the first episode of this season, Walt going into his vandalized house to get the ricin he had hidden there.
He must be going after Uncle Jack and company. Will he go out in a blaze of glory? Or will he take the ricin after he takes care of business? I don't see him killing Gretchen and Eliot. And don't forget, the name of the final season is Remember My Name. Will his ego prevail?
I'm gonna miss you so much, man. IT JUST AIN'T GONNA BE THE SAME AROUND HERE WITH YOU GONE! :cry:
Eh. I'm getting tired of Hotpockets. Think I might switch to astroturfing for Microsoft, instead. They pay in apple fritters.
...I think there might be some irony in that. I'm not totally sure.
...I think there might be some irony in that. I'm not totally sure.
Will Todd die? Or will he be the next Heisenberg? Probably most viewers would like to see Jesse kill Todd, so that won't happen. Will Jesse die? There's not much left to Jesse now. Can he get the rage like Walt?
What got me all excited was the music in the last 20 seconds or so of the episode.. they played that percussion/drum loop in its entirety, when normally only a little bit of it plays when every episode airs.
Edit - it's the main theme in case some people didn't know
Edit - it's the main theme in case some people didn't know
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