'Brilliant Savings' Promo

[rdowns]

Does anybody know if this promo counts double if you buy two displays? I'm going to buy dual displays and although the 23HD is out of my price range, I wonder if you can get two rebates if you buy two 23HDs (and one PM).
W

NO, it's a one for one rebate.

 

[aswitcher]

SNIP

As far as the RAM upgrade, that is the troublesome one. I hope it just means they are trying to get rid of some RAM to make way for the new G5 RAM that they'll annouce and ship in 6-8 weeks.

Could they be bumping up to new RAM speeds in June with the new G5s, to get a little more performance considering from what little I know this appears to be the bottle neck now that the Chips and Buses are faster?
That 533Mhz rather than the 400Mhz...anyone know about this stuff?

 

[centauratlas]

I was among the first batch of kids to use computers when my grade school got them. They were Apple //s or //es, and this was back in 1981 when I was in first grade.

We learned BASIC (I forgot what the acronym stood for, but they taught us that too),

Probably ][s and ][plus in 1981 (and don't forget the TRS-80 out then too). Apple //e came out in 1983. And in all likelihood it was a ][plus if they got them in 1981.

Beginners All-purpose Symbolic Instructional Code = BASIC

Can you imagine "Apple][rumors.com"? What do you mean, the ][ was out in 1977? No update to the ][plus until 1979? "The //e will be out in 1980"...or 1981 (based on historical update cycles)...or 1982...or 1983...see, I told you it would be out "next Tuesday". Of course I said that every Tuesday between 1979 and 1983. Talk about slow product updates! (To be fair there was the III in 1980).

 

[Waragainstsleep]

RAM

533MHz was announced a while ago, maybe 667MHz will be out by summer.
Do the current G5s support DDR2 already?
The new ones will NEED to.

But yes, faster RAM is only going to help us get closer to 3GHz.

 

[Waragainstsleep]

Xserves

Oh, and to whoever it was arguing about my usage of the words Xserve, proven and PPC970FX in the same sentence:
I was merely trying to impress that Apple had proved it was possible to get a G5 into a laptop-sized box (or near as) without it instantaneously melting everything within a two foot radius. I wasn't trying to claim anything about their reliability.

While I'm talking about Xserves, I got this in the last ADC newsletter:
"The Xserve G5 Developer Note provides information about the new
Xserve G5 server introduced in March 2004, which features single and
dual PowerPC processors at 2.0 GHz or higher, USB 2.0, and Firewire 400 and Firewire 800."

Is this just a case of future-proofing this document?

 

[skunk]

I was merely trying to impress that Apple had proved it was possible to get a G5 into a laptop-sized box (or near as) without it instantaneously melting everything within a two foot radius.

Depends if you mind having two bloody great ventilation holes in the front of your laptop, I suppose...

 

[cr2sh]

RE: Will they bother?

Will they bother? Last time the 17" went from 1GHz to 1.33GHz. A 330MHz boost is reasonable, though not amazing.
Are they seriously gonna bother with an update just to get to 1.42GHz?

I believe that they will.

The 1.0 to 1.33 update took almost a year.. if we could get to 1.42GHz in a 4 or 5 month cycle, I think Apple would go for it.

Note that 1.42GHz was also the stopping point for the powermac g4, so who knows...

 

[aswitcher]

I believe that they will.

The 1.0 to 1.33 update took almost a year.. if we could get to 1.42GHz in a 4 or 5 month cycle, I think Apple would go for it.

Note that 1.42GHz was also the stopping point for the powermac g4, so who knows...

There would want to be a far number of other improvements to justify such a slight speed bump for me not to think it was a waste...

 

[gotohamish]

??????

There would want to be a far number of other improvements to justify such a slight speed bump for me not to think it was a waste...

How could it ever be a waste? That's ridiculous. It may not be the upgrade you or a lot of us want but a quiet speed bump/graphics upgrade could never be a bad thing.

I'm sure Apple are giving us the best they can.

 

[MadMan]

I agree, but... two years ago, they did the same thing with the top G4 and a 22" display. I must say that the $500 check was the fastest rebate I ever got back.

I agree... I took advantage of the same offer and my check was there very quickly. It was surprising how fast it came.



MM

 

[Sublime]

//e

Probably ][s and ][plus in 1981 (and don't forget the TRS-80 out then too). Apple //e came out in 1983. And in all likelihood it was a ][plus if they got them in 1981.

Man, I thought I had my //e in 82. Are you sure that is right?

 

[centauratlas]

Man, I thought I had my //e in 82. Are you sure that is right?

Yes. I even checked apple-history.com to verify my memory....

http://www.apple-history.com/frames/body.php?page=gallery&model=aIIe

Apple IIe
...
CPU Speed: 1 MHz
...
Introduced: January 1983

Terminated: March 1985

Released in January 1983, The Apple IIe was to be one of the most successful Apple computers ever. It was based on the 6502 processor, which could run at 1.02 Mhz. It came with 64K of RAM and a 32K ROM which included BASIC, an assembly language interface, and several other hard-coded options. The Apple IIe originally sold for $1,395, and was replaced in 1985 by an updated model.

And here:
http://www.apple2history.org/history/ah07.html
Apple IIe - January 1983 - February 1985

 

[AidenShaw]

"4 or 5 fold" is really 3.1

The P4 is considered a joke (In the wintel community) because it hasn't increased in speed as quick as the P3 did (Started at 300 or 400MHz and increased four or five fold).

Pentium III 0.450 GHz - introduced 26 Feb 1999 (250 nm process)
Pentium III 1.400 GHz - introduced 8 Jan 2002 (130 nm process)
speedup 3.1x

Pentium 4 1.40 GHz 256 KiB cache - intro 20 Nov 2000 (180 nm process)
Pentium 4 3.40 GHz 1024 KiB cache - intro 2 Feb 2004 (90 nm process)
speedup 2.4x

PPC 970 2.0 GHz - intro
speedup 0x


While the P4 hasn't climbed as much as the PIII, it's hardly a joke....especially since the cache has increased 4 times (standard P4) to 8 times (EE)

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/quickreffam.htm#p4Desk

 

[PretendPCuser]

OT - Switching to PC?

interesting not to go off thread but why Falcon, also i have concerns that if i go alienware ill need a good photo App on the Pc side for all my photographs. and 365 is right the 23" was overpriced. why not give $300,$400 and $500 off all the overpriced displays with a new powermac.

If you are considering going to a PC and are considering Alienware or Falcon, i would suggest (if you haven't checked them out all ready). OverdrivePC. Mario will take care of you, bought some used stuff there and was EXTREMELY happy with their service. Read their testimonials as well.

Peace.

 

[greenstork]

It's time Apple shared with the community information on the development situation. IMO nothing hurts Apple more than keeping everything so secret that it makes it near impossible to purchase a new machine without the feeling that anyday there will be a new release to make you feel like a big loser. I read post after post of people hanging out for new boxes, surely if they just give everyone a heads up then we can all make decisions for the future based on FACTS.

Apple would increase their market share by simply getting a solid roadmap out to the public so rather than constant inaccurate vodoo speculation we get cold hard info even if sometimes it's not exactly what we want to hear.

All these rumors have stopped being cute and now it's just a joke. Isn't about time Apple grew up and had a more open and transparent development plan. It baffels me as to why it is all so hush hush anyway.

"SJ...... help us to help you"

baz

Man, this is horrible advice. This is the most sure fire way to ruin current sales. Under this scenario, people only buy at updates. Many of their sales quarters would just go into the tank. Apple is a publicly held company and as such, have responsibilities to all of their "stake"holders. This includes you the consumer, their employees, and their stockholders.

If Apple adopted your strategy, their stock would tank because of wildly fluctuating quarters and the company would be dead in less than two years. Thank god you're not running Apple, or in a marketing job for that matter.

 

[Waragainstsleep]

Go back a little.

Pentium III 0.450 GHz - introduced 26 Feb 1999 (250 nm process)
Pentium III 1.400 GHz - introduced 8 Jan 2002 (130 nm process)
speedup 3.1x

Pentium 4 1.40 GHz 256 KiB cache - intro 20 Nov 2000 (180 nm process)
Pentium 4 3.40 GHz 1024 KiB cache - intro 2 Feb 2004 (90 nm process)
speedup 2.4x

PPC 970 2.0 GHz - intro
speedup 0x


While the P4 hasn't climbed as much as the PIII, it's hardly a joke....especially since the cache has increased 4 times (standard P4) to 8 times (EE)

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/quickreffam.htm#p4Desk

I was answering someone else's question from a page or two back. I never called it a joke as I'm well aware its still the fastest chip you can get. I have heard it slated by other PC users on other sites, and I merely offer the only reason I can think of as to why a PC user wouldn't soil his pants at the thought of one, is the reason I gave.
Its by no means a strong reason, as I think its mostly due to the lack of major speed increases more recently with the P4.
The P3/4 flew from 450MHz to 2GHz+, as soon as they hit 3, the progress slowed down a bit. PC users had been used to their machines being out of date by the time they had plugged them in and got them working, and so they whinge (Every bit as much as we do) when they don't get a newer, better, faster one at least every five minutes.


Obviously not all PC users share this view, and I myself have to give the P4 respect where its due. A 3GHz 32 bit chip that can keep up with 2x 2GHz, 64 bit chips on a faster system bus, (and using what we all know is a much better OS) has got to be doing something right.

 

[greenstork]

I' have owned Apple/mac products since an Apple IIGS (Wozniak Edition) back in the late 80's.

This is honestly the most dissapointed I have been in Apple in all that time. I am nursing along a dual 867 G4 that is really shopwing it's age. I have been waiting for a B revision of the G5 line for 7+ months.

Lots of super Apple/mac fanatics here, which is great. But come on folks...

Apple is so screwing up right now it is not even funny. We all praised the fall of the Motorola union with Apple powermacs and could not stop talking about how IBM would bring in a new dawn for Apple.

One word.... Bull$_ _ _

Apple will loose more folks than it gains if it really waits a full year for a revision in the G5 line.

And regardless of what some Steve Jobs mega fans think or not. If in fact we do have to wait until June/July for updates, and they do not include the full jump up to 3 gigahertz like Steve Jobs promised....

Well he should step down. Since it will be one of the easiest and actually most honest times Apple nay-sayers in the press/tech world will have to attack the company = loose stock value and embarrase us faithful apple owners...

Steve Jobs should step down? Are you serious? Having followed Apple for as long as you have, I would think you would have learned from history. Steve Jobs is one of the greatest innovators of his generation. The current speed boosts to the G5 line, or lack thereof, is negligible compared to the enormous contributions he has made to computers, music, and Apple. Get your head on straight.

 

[greenstork]

I can't stand it anymore. Will the individuals who are spelling LOSE with two Os please stop. It's killing me. Oh the humanity.

Loose (verb) to release, to let go, i.e. "let loose"
(adjective) not tight

LOSE is the proper spelling. Like, I'm going to LOSE my mind if people keep spelling it "loose." I will not "loose" my mind.

<applause>Amen</applause>

 

[xDANx]

Frankly if your statement did come true it would be the worst disaster Apple has ever experienced. Already the Pentium M runs rings around the G4 PowerBook. By Summer of '05 why anyone would even bother buying a G4 PowerBook would be beyond me. Oh ya I forgot. OS X.

The original poster's statement was that there would be no PowerBook G5s until MWSF '05. That's Mac World San Francisco in January 2005. Makes sense to me.

 

[greenstork]

I've gotta laugh, because apple really thinks they are the **** these days, and yet they are getting such consistent negative responses from their hardcore fan base (what I woudl consider forum posters on rumors sites to be), as well as the recent slap from the BBB telling them to stop saying they are the fastest.

I predict in twenty years, apple wont even make computers anymore, and if they do, they'll be the worst in the market. All they'll sell will be ipod minis and lucky bags full of **** they couldnt' sell over the years like .mac subscriptions and 1.5 ghz PB G4 comps (as no one will buy them when and if they are released before the PB g5).

Gimme a break. It's not like this hardcore fan base is out there buying Dells, nor would they ever. While some posters to this forum actually need a faster G5 for video, photo work, and science, many folks complaining about "slow" G5s are just whining. Many just don't need the speed but want to latest and greatest, to surf pr0n faster I suppose.

 

[klaus]

Gimme a break. It's not like this hardcore fan base is out there buying Dells, nor would they ever. While some posters to this forum actually need a faster G5 for video, photo work, and science, many folks complaining about "slow" G5s are just whining. Many just don't need the speed but want to latest and greatest, to surf pr0n faster I suppose.

I don't think it's only because they want faster computers, but I think they want more for their money. I find the speed good enough for what I need to do, but dropping prices on "older" models would be appropriate. A machine that's 8 month's old just can't be sold at the same price as it was in the beginning... This is the ONLY complaint I have about the prices of Apple.

Otherwise, keep up the good work

 

[skunk]

The only way this year-long gap between models is justified is if (a) IBM have had problems producing 970FX processors and (b) if Apple are going to roll LOTS more stuff into the G5 Rev B when it finally does happen. Since HT licensing is now a potential problem (see http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/51/36602.html) there may be a delay here, too. Trouble is, this isn't an upgrade, it's a whole new processor.

 

[Apple //e]

Ha, those are enthusist. My family got their first computer – LC II – in 1991 or so. It was a "toy." Prior to that people still were banging out papers on type-writers or were "writting neatly in ink" as my middle-school teacher allowed.

Coming from the largest upper-class suburb in Ohio, West Chester(The Best Chester), I tend to think computer adoption rate was faster. I wasn't required to type a paper until 10th grade or so(1998). I also don't remember anyone doing word processing on a computer before Windows 95. Unless you had a Mac(Clarisworks rules).

So in reality the first wave of kids that used computers in the classrooms are leaving school now for places in the work force.

(Apple IIes do not constitute computers in the classroom because I'm not sure anyone did anything productive on them. Oregon trail was not an educational tool, no matter how fun the green and black killing of buffalo was.)

no, many families had computers in the 80´s. they werent considered toys then. i used to type 9th-11th grade papers using appleworks on the apple //e (1985). im sure i wasnt the first.

many kids even used c64s to write papers. i dont know how they did it with a 40 column screen

ill grant you that they werent as widespread as today, but it was not uncommon and many people in their 30s today grew up with not only computers at home but in the classroom

 

[kman12681]

Why are you waiting for Rev. B PM G5?

I am waiting for the rev b. PM G5's not because of faster processors or lower prices. I can afford a G5 now and a dual 1.8 would be plenty fast for what I am going to do - Video editing and Audio recording. However, the reason I am waiting is for all the problems to be corrected - namely the scuzzy and digidesign problems. Do you realize that you can't currently use Pro-tools mix, or digi-001 with the G5. To me, that is a huge problem. It seems like everyone is concerned about speed and money - but does anyone else have the concern that I do?

 

[MacRAND]

Does anybody know if this promo counts double if you buy two displays? I'm going to buy dual displays and although the 23HD is out of my price range, I wonder if you can get two rebates if you buy two 23HDs (and one PM).
W

Ask Apple through the Apple store to be sure.
My guess is that if you only buy ONE PowerMac, you only get ONE discount on ONE 23" CinemaD.
One discount per PM + CD combination. Don't you think?
And, the $500 rebate is only on the 23", isn't it?
But with the Mail-in rebate, the 23" price is very close to the 20".
It's a steal!