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SiliconAddict said:Frankly if your statement did come true it would be the worst disaster Apple has ever experienced. Already the Pentium M runs rings around the G4 PowerBook. By Summer of '05 why anyone would even bother buying a G4 PowerBook would be beyond me.Oh ya I forgot. OS X.
Summer of '05? By then Apple won't be selling PB G4 anymore. iBooks might still have the fastest G4 (around 1.5 GHz, perhaps 1.7) but not the PB. Even If I assume it was a typo and you meant summer of 04, why would that be a disaster? I said in another post Apple would release G5 PB as soon as possible, but putting a G5 into a PB is easier said than done. Or would you like a 2-inch think 17" PB with a battery that lasts one hour? Secondly, even the current offerings from Apple are fast enought for most task being usually done on notebooks. There are always people who want faster cpus but only very few people need the power the fastest computers (PCs and Macs) have these days. Just my two cents.
quick rebates
I agree, but... two years ago, they did the same thing with the top G4 and a 22" display. I must say that the $500 check was the fastest rebate I ever got back.JasonL said:
LC my bottom.
Man, It is good to see that kind of enthusiasm. I pass my torch to ya. I am a hardcore mac guy. Got the tattoo to prove it... However, there is something to be said for building your own PC. It is somewhat satisfying studying the hardware sites, choosing components, building a PC and tweaking and benchmarking it. Winblows is a "good enough" OS especially for gaming. Gaming, to me, drives hardware sales. I kept telling myself I'd do a clean install of linux when I was done with EverQuest but that has not happened. I really wish there was a way for Apple to somehow put out an Enthusiast edition G5. Options are kinda good. I just flashed a Diamond Stealth PCI card to run in an old B&W G3, thanks to the G4 cube tweakers. (The 64K shrunken firmware works great! Thanks fellas...) Anyhow my LC sucked. Well, it was a performa 630 CD. I guess the LC had the FPU enabled, not that it would make it not suck. I am excited about the next PM G5 rev. but July or whatever is too long...
Peace
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Wash!! said:
Man, It is good to see that kind of enthusiasm. I pass my torch to ya. I am a hardcore mac guy. Got the tattoo to prove it... However, there is something to be said for building your own PC. It is somewhat satisfying studying the hardware sites, choosing components, building a PC and tweaking and benchmarking it. Winblows is a "good enough" OS especially for gaming. Gaming, to me, drives hardware sales. I kept telling myself I'd do a clean install of linux when I was done with EverQuest but that has not happened. I really wish there was a way for Apple to somehow put out an Enthusiast edition G5. Options are kinda good. I just flashed a Diamond Stealth PCI card to run in an old B&W G3, thanks to the G4 cube tweakers. (The 64K shrunken firmware works great! Thanks fellas...) Anyhow my LC sucked. Well, it was a performa 630 CD. I guess the LC had the FPU enabled, not that it would make it not suck. I am excited about the next PM G5 rev. but July or whatever is too long...
Peace
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AidenShaw said:
Yep, you're right. And the only reason that a Pentium M can't run in a P4 motherboard is that Intel added an extra pin so you couldn't... no joke.
And on another note... I'm really glad I didn't wait for a Rev B G5... took long enough to ge ta Rev A model.
A rather obscure question... sorry
So as I pace back and forth waiting for the rev. B G5s all I can do is read these forums and look at every page on the apple website. But then I noticed something- as I've never ordered a PM before, what comes standard? After doing an order "test run" I saw that there is the option to buy a lot of add-ons, namely a KEYBOARD and MOUSE. Don't these come standard? I know a monitor and speakers aren't included (whoa I must sound like a rookie) but I though PMs came with a mouse, keyboard, and one monitor adapter. Could somebody fill me in? thanks.
So as I pace back and forth waiting for the rev. B G5s all I can do is read these forums and look at every page on the apple website. But then I noticed something- as I've never ordered a PM before, what comes standard? After doing an order "test run" I saw that there is the option to buy a lot of add-ons, namely a KEYBOARD and MOUSE. Don't these come standard? I know a monitor and speakers aren't included (whoa I must sound like a rookie) but I though PMs came with a mouse, keyboard, and one monitor adapter. Could somebody fill me in? thanks.
17" powerbook at UCLA for $2399.
I was at the UCLA store last week on Wednesday and a store clerk told me that they are getting a new shipment from Apple on Friday and on Monday will be selling the 17" 1.33 GHZ Powerbooks for $2399 which is $100 less than the $2499 academic discount. There was no mention about the 15" or the 12".
As mentioned before, they are still selling the dual 1.8 G5 Powermacs for $1999. The single 1.6 are $1599 I think.
So, there is some incentive to get rid of these computers. UCLA usually has great discounts for students and I hope they will get new computers before the summer because I'm graduating and I won't qualify for these discounts anymore.
I was at the UCLA store last week on Wednesday and a store clerk told me that they are getting a new shipment from Apple on Friday and on Monday will be selling the 17" 1.33 GHZ Powerbooks for $2399 which is $100 less than the $2499 academic discount. There was no mention about the 15" or the 12".
As mentioned before, they are still selling the dual 1.8 G5 Powermacs for $1999. The single 1.6 are $1599 I think.
So, there is some incentive to get rid of these computers. UCLA usually has great discounts for students and I hope they will get new computers before the summer because I'm graduating and I won't qualify for these discounts anymore.
Its not unexpected but it is a bit disappointing to think 3 more months with nothing but rumors...
What's worse for me is I bet that everything but the Powerbook will get a decent upgrade/overhaul, leaving me to ponder how much longer I will have to wait for my G5PB...
*sigh*
What's worse for me is I bet that everything but the Powerbook will get a decent upgrade/overhaul, leaving me to ponder how much longer I will have to wait for my G5PB...
*sigh*
jsw said:
Sorry, but thats an enhancement. Because its nothing more than a BOM change which can be done with an ECR/ECO. Ok, you need to create a new product number, copy the 2GHz BOM to the new product number, delete both 2GHz CPUs and add the 1,8 GHz CPUs and maybe a new entry in the firmware. Done. Engineering needed: 5 days. Its an enhancement.
I like the new smileys Apple //e said:
Ha, those are enthusist. My family got their first computer LC II in 1991 or so. It was a "toy." Prior to that people still were banging out papers on type-writers or were "writting neatly in ink" as my middle-school teacher allowed.
Coming from the largest upper-class suburb in Ohio, West Chester(The Best Chester), I tend to think computer adoption rate was faster. I wasn't required to type a paper until 10th grade or so(1998). I also don't remember anyone doing word processing on a computer before Windows 95. Unless you had a Mac(Clarisworks rules).
So in reality the first wave of kids that used computers in the classrooms are leaving school now for places in the work force.
(Apple IIes do not constitute computers in the classroom because I'm not sure anyone did anything productive on them. Oregon trail was not an educational tool, no matter how fun the green and black killing of buffalo was.)
aswitcher said:Its not unexpected but it is a bit disappointing to think 3 more months with nothing but rumors...
I would really love to see Apple kick off another promotion without upgrade in 6 weeks time just for the sheer joy of reading the paranniod scribbles and maniac rantings on these rumour sites. This past thread has been quite comical.
Naturally, I'd rather see hardware upgrades, but the alternative does have it's merits.
Savage Henry said:I would really love to see Apple kick off another promotion without upgrade in 6 weeks time just for the sheer joy of reading the paranniod scribbles and maniac rantings on these rumour sites. This past thread has been quite comical.
Naturally, I'd rather see hardware upgrades, but the alternative does have it's merits.
If they plan to revamp most, if not almost all of their lines at the end of June, then I think its a done deal that there will be plenty more promotions between now and then.
BruinJohn said:I was at the UCLA store last week on Wednesday and a store clerk told me that they are getting a new shipment from Apple on Friday and on Monday will be selling the 17" 1.33 GHZ Powerbooks for $2399 which is $100 less than the $2499 academic discount. There was no mention about the 15" or the 12".
As mentioned before, they are still selling the dual 1.8 G5 Powermacs for $1999. The single 1.6 are $1599 I think.
So, there is some incentive to get rid of these computers. UCLA usually has great discounts for students and I hope they will get new computers before the summer because I'm graduating and I won't qualify for these discounts anymore.
Yeah those dual 1.8's have been taunting me for a while... if I had known updates would be delayed a long time I would have bought one when they first had that price... but I assumed that they were just trying to unload them before rev. b PMs come out. I wish they had dual G4's for like $1200 actually (in addition to single 1.25 for $999), I'd be tempted to get one and use that until 3GHz G5s came out, then eBay it for a (hopefully) small loss.
Anyways at this rate I'm going to wait at least for the next revision. I don't have a gig lined up right now that requires the G5 so if that comes along I'll buy one immediately, otherwise just hold out for this June super-event. I just hope they don't take 3 months to ship, again. Very suck.
It all sucks big time. They should at least half the prices on all consumer machines. I'm talking here of at least 50 % off eMac,iMac. That is how much they are worth right now. If they continue like this we may soon see "Closing down clerance sale" promotion.
I have said it many times before that I think Steve will ride the promise of 3 GHz in a year and not updates will happen in-between. Obviously as time goes on the more and more I think I have a chance at being right.
ethernet76 said:
I was among the first batch of kids to use computers when my grade school got them. They were Apple //s or //es, and this was back in 1981 when I was in first grade.
We learned BASIC (I forgot what the acronym stood for, but they taught us that too), Turtle, and maybe LOGO too. I remember the computer I was on had a color screen.
10 PRINT "HI"
20 GOTO 10
The above might not impress you as "productive." But it accomplished something that's easy to underestimate today -- it broke down the barriers to using the new technology, and introduced valuable concepts such as input-output (garbage in, garbage out), and engendered in me a comfort level with personal computing.
A few short years later in junior high we had a classroom full of Macs. This was in the mid to late 80s. In high school our newspaper and yearbook operated on Macs.
Regarding word processing, there was plenty of word processing happening on both IBM/MS-DOS and Apple computers going back to the early 80s. A lot of it was printed on dot-matrix.
So, Apple //e is correct, that the first wave of computer-using kids has computer-using kids today. Not I though (no kids yet).
Just another thought that went through my mind:
If the promo leads us to believe no new powermacs and/or no new displays until wwdc, then what about those reports from a week or 2 back that stated that new powermacs were delayed because of ati shipping problems.
Production lines were reportedly shut down until ati produced enough cards to meet up with the production.
I know these are only reports, and not real facts, but they do have to come from somewhere, and in my country there's a saying "where there is smoke, there is fire".
So basically, if this promo would mean no new powermacs until wwdc, then the already assembled machines would be gathering dust until then.. If the delay was because of the use of new technologies, that were not mainstream yet, would they already have begun producing the machines? I don't think so, they'd have to test pre-production machines with that new technology first, without even thinking about starting the production lines..
just some thoughts,
If the promo leads us to believe no new powermacs and/or no new displays until wwdc, then what about those reports from a week or 2 back that stated that new powermacs were delayed because of ati shipping problems.
Production lines were reportedly shut down until ati produced enough cards to meet up with the production.
I know these are only reports, and not real facts, but they do have to come from somewhere, and in my country there's a saying "where there is smoke, there is fire".
So basically, if this promo would mean no new powermacs until wwdc, then the already assembled machines would be gathering dust until then.. If the delay was because of the use of new technologies, that were not mainstream yet, would they already have begun producing the machines? I don't think so, they'd have to test pre-production machines with that new technology first, without even thinking about starting the production lines..
just some thoughts,
P4
The P4 is considered a joke (In the wintel community) because it hasn't increased in speed as quick as the P3 did (Started at 300 or 400MHz and increased four or five fold).
The P4 is considered a joke (In the wintel community) because it hasn't increased in speed as quick as the P3 did (Started at 300 or 400MHz and increased four or five fold).
Dual Monitor Rebates?
Does anybody know if this promo counts double if you buy two displays? I'm going to buy dual displays and although the 23HD is out of my price range, I wonder if you can get two rebates if you buy two 23HDs (and one PM).
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Does anybody know if this promo counts double if you buy two displays? I'm going to buy dual displays and although the 23HD is out of my price range, I wonder if you can get two rebates if you buy two 23HDs (and one PM).
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ethernet76 said:
Can you say: MagicWindows on an Apple ][ and an Apple ][plus. That was a word processor way ahead of its time ~1981-1984.
As someone who chimed in first thing yesterday morning with the note on the memory promo extension, I am not sure that the display rebate means no new G5s tomorrow. It may just mean they are trying to get rid of the display inventory with any machine they can. As far as the RAM upgrade, that is the troublesome one. I hope it just means they are trying to get rid of some RAM to make way for the new G5 RAM that they'll annouce and ship in 6-8 weeks.