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Steve Job's said 3Ghz within a year at last years WWDC in June 2003 with the introduction of the first G5s. It has now been 9 months since that announcement and about 7 months since the first Generation G5s started shipping in quantity in September of 2003 and we are still at only 2Ghz. Now it is possible that we will not see any G5 update till June 2004 which would make One year from the original 3Ghz remark and 9 months since the first PowerMac G5s started shipping. This next G5 update has to be at 3Ghz whether released anytime from now to WWDC to make Steve's promise true. If we only get 2.4-2.6Ghz max with this upcoming update it will put Steves 3Ghz in a year comment way off as we will not see 3Ghz untill the end of the year at best or at worst early 2005 as there is usually a 6-9 month period between updates. Basically it's 3Ghz or nothing with the next update or Steve Jobs would be making the fool out of himself by being 6 months too maybe even a year off of his promise and we all Know Steve usually never makes such bold statements so here's hoping for 3Ghz with the next update.

I also strongly beleive that we will not see a G5 imac or Powerbook until late this year at best to even the first quarter of 2005. The imac will most likely be bumped up to G4 1.42-1.533 Ghz max. Emac should also be bumped too 1.25-1.33Ghz max and the PowerBook will see another G4 update at 1.53Ghz all happening this summer.
 
my thoughts on this...

if apple doesn't want to run that promo throughout the release of an "inbetween" revision, and even if noone mentions that, that case is possible, well but if not then we ll see PM updates at WWDC'04.

the question if they are 2.6ghz or 3ghz isnt really important for end users and productive usage - but it is for comparative issues with AMD but more important INTEL.

still I would not say SJ lied, if 3ghz didn't came out WWDC'04 - I'd give "him" time until october for a rev. c then, shipping latest in january or febuary 2005.

I waited so long, and I can stand the pain of windows 2000 a few month more using it since 99 =).

So "personally" I don't care cause I ll buy whatever PM is released at WWDC or before that is around 2000-3000 EUR.

still this is stupid - i want my pm rev. b now! ;)
 
I hate to be contrary and all, but you folks might have missed the fact that the configuration many of you might have considered - barring update rumors - is now $500 off. To me, that's a pretty good deal.

Of course, I'm also happy that this likely means my investment in a dual-2 last September - I was going to wait for the first rev and just couldn't - seems like a better idea with each passing day... :)
 
centauratlas said:
They also extended the "More memory for less" promo until June 26th from March 27th.

To me that is even more telling than the display rumor. It looks like WWDC will be big. It includes the iMac, PM, and Xserve G5s, but not PBs.

Yah, un update across the whole line would be great and it seems like one of the few things that will satisfy everyone.

I wonder what Steve has in store for us this year...
 
thatwendigo said:
Go stand in line with DHM, then....

Too late. I think he went with Alienware (thread in Buyer's section). Expect to begin hearing how great it is. He will be right. Doesn't mean the G5's suck, though. But this likely implies we will need to harp more on the "OS X rules" stuff, which is, although true, getting a bit tiring.
 
Did we assumed to much here?. We (meaning you :D) thought there would be updates, but the only mention of a rev B had a date of July/04(?). Maybe Steve knew that a slight bump would be a waste of resources/time/money and decided to hold off until 3 Ghz, when he knew more people would be interested. It's not like the competition is roaring ahead -- the P4 is the biggest joke in history( ;) ) and the only other competition is AMD and the two are more or less on par with each other; Apple just needs to update an almost year old processor to get back in the game.
 
jsw said:
Too late. I think he went with Alienware (thread in Buyer's section). Expect to begin hearing how great it is. He will be right. Doesn't mean the G5's suck, though. But this likely implies we will need to harp more on the "OS X rules" stuff, which is, although true, getting a bit tiring.

Oh... *incoherent mumbling*

Please, let this be an end to the insanity, and not a bridge into an all-new sort of trolling.
 
Little Endian said:
Steve Job's said 3Ghz within a year at last years WWDC in June 2003 with the introduction of the first G5s.

Then he revised it at the G5 shipping and said "within a year" from September. I posted the link to both a few weeks ago in one of the other threads.
:)

Edit:
Here is what I had posted on March 8:

What he said was two things at two times (June 23, and Sept 16, 2003):
"We've committed before the end of next summer" to get the Power Mac G5 to 3GHz. That was September 16, 2003, see links below. June 23, 2003, he said (https://www.macrumors.com/wwdc2003.html) it would be at "3ghz within 12 months." I was never clear if he meant 12 months from then or 12 months from release. Given his Sept 2003 statements, I think it meant from release (or they just realized by Sept 2003 that late June/early July 2004 would be too soon and revised his meaning).


Sept 16 links: http://maccentral.macworld.com/news...t=1078732421000
and:
http://www.macminute.com/2003/09/16/appleexpo2
and:
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/main...cfm?NewsID=6904


*
 
Little Endian said:
Steve Job's said 3Ghz within a year at last years WWDC in June 2003 with the introduction of the first G5s. It has now been 9 months since that announcement and about 7 months since the first Generation G5s started shipping in quantity in September of 2003 and we are still at only 2Ghz. Now it is possible that we will not see any G5 update till June 2004 which would make One year from the original 3Ghz remark and 9 months since the first PowerMac G5s started shipping. This next G5 update has to be at 3Ghz whether released anytime from now to WWDC to make Steve's promise true. If we only get 2.4-2.6Ghz max with this upcoming update it will put Steves 3Ghz in a year comment way off as we will not see 3Ghz untill the end of the year at best or at worst early 2005 as there is usually a 6-9 month period between updates. Basically it's 3Ghz or nothing with the next update or Steve Jobs would be making the fool out of himself by being 6 months too maybe even a year off of his promise and we all Know Steve usually never makes such bold statements so here's hoping for 3Ghz with the next update.

I also strongly beleive that we will not see a G5 imac or Powerbook until late this year at best to even the first quarter of 2005. The imac will most likely be bumped up to G4 1.42-1.533 Ghz max. Emac should also be bumped too 1.25-1.33Ghz max and the PowerBook will see another G4 update at 1.53Ghz all happening this summer.

It's true, but the 100 Million songs thing seemed way off the mark also...

as soon as i got the 1.25Ghz 15-inch PB... i don't really care for another speed bump unless it is a complete change in architecture. i.e G5...

a 200Mhz speed bump just doesn't do it for me TBH.

i jumped from a rev A 867Mhz 12-inch PB to a 1.25Ghz 15-inch PB and I can tell you, the perceptible speed difference is negligible... now, with 2Gb of Ram, that would be a different story. Thing is... anything over 1Ghz on a G4 is plenty fast IMO.

I rather like the fact that Apple is taking a chilled out atittude to upgrading their products... I don't know how much a speed bump is going to improve sales of the G5... however, seeing SJ mentioned it, there is an obligation there. The mass market don't really want to wait indefinitely for a speed bump because they know it is going to be superceded anyway. They want to get the best for today.

the mejority of people don't even know about the lack of updates and concentrating on the high-end is problematic for newbies who come here.
 
i don't see any reason Apple can't upgrade their product matrix sometime in the future...

to have a whole new range of products... or simply to have more processor options in th current ranges and a more varied pricing approach.

should they update, they can keep the current machines... which are probably in hugely plentiful supply now...
 
Most likely reason...

... I bet is that they are having troubles shrinking the system controller. Apple recently put out the XserveG5 technote (here: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Servers/XServeG5/ ) and while the system controller appears updated (U3H vs U3) it is still at 130nm. I'm betting if they shipped today they would have to either increase the multiplier (for 667/733/800 for 2.0/2.2/2.4) or increase the cooling to keep the controller from dying a horrible death. Neither is acceptable I think.

However if they wait until summer, they can probably complete the 90nm shrink, get PC4200 RAM, and pull in other technological improvements along with the 3 Ghz promise (which I think IBM is more than capable of). Alas the system controller is Apple's design, so they will have to get experience with shrinking it... apparently the hard way.
 
It seems to me that if apple update the G5 now, then there won't be a too large gap until the 3Ghz machines come out in summer.

I think its really disappointing to think that there will be no G5 PM update for 12 months. I thought IBM will be a new era for Apple.
 
CmdrLaForge said:
This really looks like no updates until WWDC ! Not good news at all. How can they not update the G5s for a complete year !

:mad:
every year we get a update and with Apples History of selling overpriced lasts year technology makes it even worse. Again I say they have clowns running the show. You just cant keep pushing old stuff because no one will buy it.( except a few Mac Zealots who tell us 95% of people dont need any speed or power) :rolleyes: G4s are all you need and G5 is way to much . give me a break.
 
Raveny said:
perhaps that is only for the displays... apple says that ANY powermac G5 can be combined with a 23" display. An update for G5 isn't impossible. Imagine, on this tuesday apple releases the new powermac and this encourages to buy a display from apple to sell more displays. This is not a promotion to sell more powermacs... or do you buy a display as a main buying and you notice the promo from apple and because of the 500$ discount you buy an extra powermac? i don't think so...


I agree with you. This probably means that Apple has a lot of 23" monitors left. So instead of just dropping the price of the LCD, their trying to sell more powermacs as well. I bet if this marketing gimmick doesn't work, there will be a drop in the LCD prices accross the board.
 
new idea

What if, and just if - there will be new displays and powermacs next week. And, this is designed as an extra incentive for people to spend ridiculous cash - all for the purpose of getting more Apples in the market. Take a small $ hit, widen the userbase...
 
I have to agree here. I think this is just a ploy for Apple to get rid of their stock of 23/USB1/Plastics in order to release a 23/USB2/Alum display (maybe even a 30 also). I think they might just be overstocked with 23's because people look at the 23 and and the 20 and think that the difference in price isn't worth it-- and then they purchase the 20.

Perhaps this will shrink their inventory and pave the way for display updates. I think, quite honestly, that this promotion has very little to do with whether or not you will see PM updates between now and WWDC. If anything I think it helps them lower their stock of both 23's and PM's.

Brad
 
I agree with Stella. It doesn't make any sense what so ever for Apple to introduce Dual 2.5 or what ever PowerMac G5's right now. If they introduce them on March 30th, or even the week after they won't probably be shipping until very late April or early May, then 30 days after it ships Apple comes out with another PowerMac G5 update to 3 GHz? Doesn't make sense to me. Others are talking about ripping people off well I think that is ripping people off right there. Nothing like buying a $2900 PowerMac running at 2.5 GHz and then having that be the low end PowerMac 30 days after it ships for $1000 less. You people aren't being reasonable here. If you want a damn PowerMac G5 then go buy one. If you wait until June, maybe there won't be any PowerMac updates then either! If there are and you buy one your PowerMac will be out of date in about 6 months anyways so why are we all whining about when Apple is going to release the new PowerMacs?

As for a PowerBook G5, yeah like that will happen in the next 5 months....highly doubtful. If you see a PowerBook update its going to have a G4 in it sadly. The G5 gets too hot and uses too much power currently. I think we'll see them at MWSF '05.

iMac G5's could be a possibility at the WWDC along with a PowerMac G5 update. The iMac is 50 times easier to cool than a PowerBook. Plus I'd expect to see Apple introduce a brand new iMac thats been totally redesigned from the ground up.

iBook updates we'll probably see later on in the fall, maybe MW Paris in September? Maybe we could see a PowerBook G5 update then, but then again that wouldn't make any sense if we see a PowerBook G4 update in the near future. Apple wouldn't be shipping them until at least a month after the announcement and then 2 months later they update it again?

I could be wrong though. I've seen Apple do some crazy things before with product updates...
 
iChan said:
I rather like the fact that Apple is taking a chilled out atittude to upgrading their products...

I agree completely. I bought my dual 1.25 G4 about 2 months before the first G5's came out (xmas 2002), and, as much as I want a G5, trying to justify another $2500 purchase barely a year later is just not gonna happen. A 'modest' speed bump won't be that important".

also..Powermax.com is running the rebate: http://www.powermax.com/cinema.html
 
Hmm... on the coupon it says, "This offer may be combined with Apple's Impress for Less rebate."

What the heck is that promotion?

Brad
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
every year we get a update and with Apples History of selling overpriced lasts year technology makes it even worse. Again I say they have clowns running the show. You just cant keep pushing old stuff because no one will buy it.( except a few Mac Zealots who tell us 95% of people dont need any speed or power) :rolleyes: G4s are all you need and G5 is way to much . give me a break.

On the 30th, if we don't hear anything at all about powermacs, I am going to take the dive and switch, I am not waiting to WWDC.

I should have bought back in December... Damn.
 
thatwendigo said:
Oh... *incoherent mumbling*

Please, let this be an end to the insanity, and not a bridge into an all-new sort of trolling.

Ah, but you know how trolls love their bridges....
 
dkgross said:
I bought my dual 1.25 G4 about 2 months before the first G5's came out (xmas 2002)....

You must've known about them very early! I didn't hear about them until 6/2003 and couldn't buy one until 8/2003.
 
Me too

Me too, I've been waiting for the updates because currently a :

Dual 1.8 GHz
1 GB Ram
Radeon 9600 Pro
Bluetooth
20" Cinema Display

is $3667

and when the updates are released that same model should be: $2577

That is assuming the following circumstances:
1. That the Dual 1.8 will be starting around the same price as the current Single 1.6
2. They will eliminate the 17" Studio Display and replace it with the 20" at around the the same price as the 17" to make room for the new 30"



I really don't want to wait any longer than this Tuesday, I've been waiting to switch for 8 months, and I'm running a Dell Dimension 8100 with XP!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
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