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Surely if SJ promised - uncharacteristically - that G5s would be at 3GHz by whenever, if that is no longer the case, then he would have to come clean or face serious complaints from the market? Does the fact that he has not said anything mean anything?
I really dont think that the 3 Ghz plateau will be reached by September. Maybe there will be an advance in technology between now and then, but at the moment, the 970FX is NOT gonna run at 3, and their specifications seemed kinda far off from 3 (2.6 , or somethign like that). My point is, we have known about the 970FX being around 2.6 for almost three months now, and yet its not in apples PM yet. If and when a 3.0 viable processor is released/finished, us consumers probably wont see it in a comp until four or five months later.
Get out the big coats and boots, it could be a long winter . . . .
And as far as PB updates, if sometime soon they try to stick customers with a g4 speed bump, without a price drop or some other crazy incentive, then I really think someone should walk up to Steve Jobs next time they see him in public and spit in his face.
Just tell him that hows Apple treats you. . . .
Get out the big coats and boots, it could be a long winter . . . .
And as far as PB updates, if sometime soon they try to stick customers with a g4 speed bump, without a price drop or some other crazy incentive, then I really think someone should walk up to Steve Jobs next time they see him in public and spit in his face.
Just tell him that hows Apple treats you. . . .
a17inchFuture said:
That's a bit uncalled for. If they don't make a model you want, don't buy it. Steve Jobs doesn't owe you a faster computer.
Zaty said:
Oh, well i read the original statment by the guy as if he were saying the PB's wouldnt come out til '05 to even out sales. Because that makes no sense, no company would engage in a system where they try hold off updating in ordcer to even out sales between product lines.
mklos said:
Exactly.
Besides people, this is Apple we're talking about. A company that used to update it's products twice a year FFS. Anyone remember the years of the bi-annual Macworlds? Apple has released products in 6 month cycles before and I honestly think that mklos has a very valid point. Why release them now only to re-bump the line 30 days later?
Spelling...
I can't stand it anymore. Will the individuals who are spelling LOSE with two Os please stop. It's killing me. Oh the humanity.
Loose (verb) to release, to let go, i.e. "let loose"
(adjective) not tight
LOSE is the proper spelling. Like, I'm going to LOSE my mind if people keep spelling it "loose." I will not "loose" my mind.
I can't stand it anymore. Will the individuals who are spelling LOSE with two Os please stop. It's killing me. Oh the humanity.
Loose (verb) to release, to let go, i.e. "let loose"
(adjective) not tight
LOSE is the proper spelling. Like, I'm going to LOSE my mind if people keep spelling it "loose." I will not "loose" my mind.
mrgreen4242 said:
They definitely have to do something with the eMac. It's such an outdated design. Replacing the eMac with the current 15" and 17" iMacs (I don't think they would rebrand them as eMacs) would be a great move. Selling those iMacs for less than $1000 could gain serious market share in education market.
job said:Exactly.
Besides people, this is Apple we're talking about. A company that used to update it's products twice a year FFS. Anyone remember the years of the bi-annual Macworlds? Apple has released products in 6 month cycles before and I honestly think that mklos has a very valid point. Why release them now only to re-bump the line 30 days later?
The only way they would update this week and at WWDC is if this week's update was for immediate availability. That would be the only thing that would make sense.
Still wondering if anybody has an answer to my question. What is the "Impress for Less" rebate referenced in the Brilliant Rebate form?
a17inchFuture said:
Remember how we all thought the original 970 would max out at 1.8Ghz?
Only to see the final release at dual 2Ghz?
Apple may yet have some tricks up it's sleeve.
I don't think this is as bad as people are making it seem. The world won't implode if Apple doesn't release new towers and OS X won't stop working if the new G5s arn't released until the WWDC.
I think the old "it'll be done when it's done" phrase comes to mind here.
skunk said:
Don't worry I won't . . . but its true, Apple's decision to "announce" things and keep their customer in mystery about the company roadmap is really a slap in that face. And over time, and in situations like these, where update dates are a complete mystery, the slap in the face seems to be meaner spirited and unneccessary.
They have the friggin deal virtually signifying that nothing will happen until june, so why not say that? Or if thats not the case, why not say that, as the deals already in place?
Or you could do what dave chapelle feels r. kelly would do, and next time you see steve Jobs, you could "piss on him".
I've gotta laugh, because apple really thinks they are the **** these days, and yet they are getting such consistent negative responses from their hardcore fan base (what I woudl consider forum posters on rumors sites to be), as well as the recent slap from the BBB telling them to stop saying they are the fastest.
I predict in twenty years, apple wont even make computers anymore, and if they do, they'll be the worst in the market. All they'll sell will be ipod minis and lucky bags full of **** they couldnt' sell over the years like .mac subscriptions and 1.5 ghz PB G4 comps (as no one will buy them when and if they are released before the PB g5).
I predict in twenty years, apple wont even make computers anymore, and if they do, they'll be the worst in the market. All they'll sell will be ipod minis and lucky bags full of **** they couldnt' sell over the years like .mac subscriptions and 1.5 ghz PB G4 comps (as no one will buy them when and if they are released before the PB g5).
a17inchFuture said:
I don't think the common person buying a new Mac for the first time is going to know about the possibility of updates in June.
If anything, these rebates would attract more consumers, helping to continue the sales of the towers/iMacs/etc.
If Apple announced that updates would be coming in June, nobody would buy anything until June. Not selling products for around three months isn't that great.
Zaty said:
I don't think that it would be smart to get rid of the CRT based eMacs. Remember, they are made for schools, and LCDs are not a good idea for schools because they can be easily ruined, and schools just don't want to pay the extra money for them. At my highschool, we have a lot of eMacs and they work great for everything we need them to do (typing papers, internet).
Of course I wouldn't mind an iMac for under $1000.
Photorun said:
DHM doesn't hate macs. He is just very dissapointed as many of us are. The situations he and I are in merit a look at the PC market. It doesn't mean he hates macs.
What the hell Apple. I promised myself I wasn't going to buy anything until rev b and I am sticking to that promise, but what the hell. I better be completely blown away at wwdc, I mean at least dual 3ghz with dual 2ghz as entry at 1800$ with a 9800pro. This is completely ridiculous.
a17inchFuture said:
No, they wouldn't do that. I'm sure they will announce G5 PBs as soon as possible. But due to the enormous heat dissipation and power drain of the G5, it will take them more time to either get cooler cpus drawing less juice or find other ways to cool them. Therefore WWDC seems to early as does MW Paris in early September. They could announce them in Nov or Dec, shipping in Jan or Feb. but that would hurt holiday sales of the G4s. Besides, Im sure Steve Jobs wants to announce G5 PBs in front of an audience, so MWSF 05 seems to be date.
iAtom said:I don't think that it would be smart to get rid of the CRT based eMacs. Remember, they are made for schools, and LCDs are not a good idea for schools because they can be easily ruined, and schools just don't want to pay the extra money for them. At my highschool, we have a lot of eMacs and they work great for everything we need them to do (typing papers, internet).
Of course I wouldn't mind an iMac for under $1000.
While I agree with you that CRTs are less likely to sustain damage than LCDs, Apple has to drop the eMac eventually, because they will get to a point when no one produces CRTs anymore, or Apple would have CRTs made just for them, which would highly increase costs. So, if they don't drop eMacs this year, they will most certainly do it next year.
Brilliant Savings...How about fair prices?
I notice this offer is not avainlable from the UK Apple store.
Not only are there no savings, but the UK prices seem to be rather inflated (this applies to everything, not just displays):
The exchange rate on Paypal yesterday was £1 = $1.77.
US Applestore UK Applestore Converted Price
Display
17" $699 £549 £465
20" $1300 £1049 £862
23" $2000 £1600 £1328
The converted prices have been converted from US prices, and had UK VAT added @17.5%.
You'll notice something of a discrepancy. I realise these units must be shipped across the Atlantic, but I'm confident that the Royal Mail or the USPS could easily ship single 23" displays for less than £262/$463 (£84/$149 for a 17", £187/$331). Several palletloads should be even cheaper to ship per unit than single units on their own.
Didn't I just read an article a few days ago about how Apple considered the UK market to be important?
The G5s are even worse, £200 on a 1.6GHz, over £300 for a dual 2.0GHz.
This is not on guys...........
I notice this offer is not avainlable from the UK Apple store.
Not only are there no savings, but the UK prices seem to be rather inflated (this applies to everything, not just displays):
The exchange rate on Paypal yesterday was £1 = $1.77.
US Applestore UK Applestore Converted Price
Display
17" $699 £549 £465
20" $1300 £1049 £862
23" $2000 £1600 £1328
The converted prices have been converted from US prices, and had UK VAT added @17.5%.
You'll notice something of a discrepancy. I realise these units must be shipped across the Atlantic, but I'm confident that the Royal Mail or the USPS could easily ship single 23" displays for less than £262/$463 (£84/$149 for a 17", £187/$331). Several palletloads should be even cheaper to ship per unit than single units on their own.
Didn't I just read an article a few days ago about how Apple considered the UK market to be important?
The G5s are even worse, £200 on a 1.6GHz, over £300 for a dual 2.0GHz.
This is not on guys...........
IBM and/or Apple is screwing us!!!
We're falling behind, AGAIN!!
I was hoping at this year's WWDC it would be go like:
Steve says, "On this date, last year, we announced the PowerMac G5... We also promised to release a 3 GHz G5 this year on this date... Today we're announcing that we have surpassed 3 GHz!"
But I don't see it happening anymore.
We're falling behind, AGAIN!!
I was hoping at this year's WWDC it would be go like:
Steve says, "On this date, last year, we announced the PowerMac G5... We also promised to release a 3 GHz G5 this year on this date... Today we're announcing that we have surpassed 3 GHz!"
But I don't see it happening anymore.
not falling behind at all
well, i guess all i have to say is that if we go up 50% in clock speed over the course of one year that ain't so bad. look at intel this past year....they went from 3 GHz to what, 3.4 GHz and those chips aren't even out in large quantities. so what if it takes a year, i'd rather have them take a year and release a huge improvement than make crappy little steps all year.
well, i guess all i have to say is that if we go up 50% in clock speed over the course of one year that ain't so bad. look at intel this past year....they went from 3 GHz to what, 3.4 GHz and those chips aren't even out in large quantities. so what if it takes a year, i'd rather have them take a year and release a huge improvement than make crappy little steps all year.
applekid said:
How come? Do you have information we don't? Who says IBM has not yet reached 3 GHz? The non-existent update could be related to marketing and not necessarily IBM's and/or Apple's incapability to deliver.
There is nothing that says you can't own both, a Mac and a PC.Dont Hurt Me said:
I use both each and every day. Been using Macs since System 6 and PCs since Dos 1.0. Like both. Hate both. Each have their strengths and weaknesses.
But I favor the Mac platform overall. So in my case, I put more $ in my Mac systems and use them for most things. To me, nothing beats the Mac for overall ease of use and style. They are just fun to work on and be creative.
The PC is great for some things as well. Not being a gamer, I just use mine for basic stuff. VPC on the Mac is nice. But these days, you can purchase a very cheap PC system that beats the pants off VPC.
IMHO, VPC is for use when you don't have space or are on the road using a PowerBook.
Anyhow, I see nothing wrong with having both PCs and Macs.
Just my .02
Sushi
970FX
The FX is proven at 2GHz in the Xserve (a very small box compared to the PM). I would expect to gain at least 10-15%, if not 25%+ on the clock speed just by putting one in a box with so much more air (what about 10 times as much?) and better ventilation.
The FX cannot be far from 3GHz as it is. Factor in a few more months for Apple to properly test liquid-cooling systems, and you're there.....
The FX is proven at 2GHz in the Xserve (a very small box compared to the PM). I would expect to gain at least 10-15%, if not 25%+ on the clock speed just by putting one in a box with so much more air (what about 10 times as much?) and better ventilation.
The FX cannot be far from 3GHz as it is. Factor in a few more months for Apple to properly test liquid-cooling systems, and you're there.....