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Well I think I will oder my new Power Mac G5 from either Mac Connection or Mac Mall catalog. This way I WON'T have to pay any sales tax which can up to the hundreds of dollars on an expensive system and I will get the $500.00 rebate. If you think about it that's a lot of savings!!!! I would NEVER buy from a retail store.
 
OSX.64

it looks as though we'll wait til the end of june to see apple's newest, fastest computer. WWDC would be an excellent place to release a 64-bit OS. maybe we'll see dual 3.0 with OSX.64 in july. that'd be rapid.
 
been reading the posts

ive been reading through the posts here and i was astonished!!

people are complaining about their dualie G4's and G5's being too slow, but im running an almost 2 year old 800mhz G4 powerbook with a combo drive, and i couldnt be happier. dont get me wrong, i love to go into the apple store and drool ofver the G5's and sure, a 3ghz G5 would rock, but do you really need it? i mean i run Ashlar-Vellum's cobalt software with absolutley no problems. i mean i can tell that my system is getting old, but i cant even justify an update to a dual G4 tower much less a G5
 
I just wonder, who promised 2.4-2.6 GHz to be available in six months?

Was it SJ or mr. Rumor.

Commodore 128
iMac rev A
TiBook 1GHz (12Dec,2002) I'm happy, allthough AluBooks in Jan 2003.
And happy with all of them.
next, PowerMac with Apple display in 2006/2007

With my timetable a new Mac is allways a real bargain!


:D :D
 
Wonder Boy said:
apple should build computers on a build-to-order system. that way, the always know what people want and can hoard the proper supplies accordingly. the make too much of one thing and they dont sell (g5 1.6) and they make too little of another (g5 dual 2). therefore, we are forced to get products we dont really want pushed on us become of excessive inventory.
hey apple- build only what we want, not what you want us to have.

You don't appear to know the way apple works. Apple along with Dell are one of thew few manufacturing companies who DO NOT HOLD STOCK. Everything is built to order at the request of either consumers via the online store or at the request of resellers who order larger quanitites. The only exception is apple's own retail stores who obviously hold stock to take away in the same way a normal reseller would. Therefore rebates are not a way of getting rid of excess stock but rather a way of continuing demand for an older product that is close to being updated. Remember the price cut on the powerbooks that occured in mid 2003. This was done in order to maintain demand on titanium powerbooks which were over 6 months old and which Apple knew wouldn't be updated for a further 3-4 months. But to make it clear Apple do not hold stock.
 
my question

So if we aren't seeing new PMs until June, why is it that they are showing up as totally gone, end of life, in many stores? Recall the Comp USA and best buy claims.

If this is true, that we won’t see PMs until June, this is extremely sad. I too have been waiting to get a g5 since December, I never would have thought apple would have waited a full year to update their Pro line. Seriously sad, and sorry to say, I don't see the g5 jumping strait to 3.0ghz. That means they drop the whole line of FX chips, which haven't been proven to go to 3ghz. I don't want to hear the trash about you guys saying, "Well they could always squeak it out". Until we see specs from IBM that say it, we just have no idea.

Well, let's hope that we see new PMs before June, I am sick of waiting and want to make the switch to Mac full circle.
 
In a Cupertino Conference Room...

Marketing: Let's just find out what the customers want, and give it to them!

Engineering: They want us to give them our products for free.

---

I work for a concern that a few years ago was noted for its low prices. Others in the same industry dropped their costs even further, leaving us with two choices: see which of us could survive on the bottom, or head for higher ground. We raised our prices. We hired new researchers, built new facilities, and equipped them with new technology. The result is that we're now one of the premier organizations in our industry.

"There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price alone are that person's lawful prey." - John Ruskin (?)




Mac2004 said:
I agree!!!!! Apple should just lower thir prices. They are way overpriced compared to a fully loaded PC. These rebates are too much of a hassle. Just lower the damn prices and be done with it. Your monitors are way overpriced anyway. I sure like Apple but I am getting really tired of all these little games and delays.
 
TorbX said:
Maybe a little off-topic, but why is that? I hear people saying it, but why do they?

Why is P4 a joke?

I'm curious as to this myself. As a desktop consumer processor the P4 is a decent performer. As a laptop chip it is piss poor due to extremly high power consumption and heat dissapation. Please explain!
 
I don't think there is a problem with the Dual XServe G5's (cooling or otherwise) at all. I think they are shipping the first batch to Va Tech just like they did the first batch of Powermac G5's. They've already dismantled their first cluster. Macmall has about 250 of those in stock right now which tells me that VT is probably taking shipment of the new dual xserves right now.

I think speculation about whether Apple has properly designed their chips, or whether they are having a problem with proc supply is way off-target. If they hadn't designed their chips properly or didn't have any good 90nm procs, the single xserves wouldn't be shipping.

I think the first 90nm 2Ghz procs are going into the Dual Xserves and once VT has their 1100 XServes, they will start shipping some revised PM G5's.

An announcement soon could still be in the cards. Wait until Tuesday and see what happens... although I am quite concerned with how many of the current G5's Macmall has in stock right now. The number is extremely high. Maybe this promotion will help... and any subsequent price drops after a revision would be a big deal.

Brad
 
my feeble little mind is telling me that this has nothing to do with g5 updates or anything. note that the promotion is not buy a dual 2Ghz G% and a display. it's buy a g5 and a 23" display... that is important. the whole thing is to sell those 23's. nobody's buying them, and (again in my feeble little mind) new displays aren't coming till WWDC. so know people have an incentive to buy a 23" display. namely that it can be had for only $200 more than the 20" instead of $500....

my 3.14 cents,
reality
 
Zaty said:
While I agree with you that CRTs are less likely to sustain damage than LCDs, Apple has to drop the eMac eventually, because they will get to a point when no one produces CRTs anymore, or Apple would have CRTs made just for them, which would highly increase costs. So, if they don't drop eMacs this year, they will most certainly do it next year.

Please. CRTs are still selling like crazy. They might not be in 2-3 years but they are still very popular. LCDs haven't dropped in price as much as many predicted. The only reason I am not buying a 20" iMac is that I know that screen is worth likr $1500 if it were bought on it's own and it's just retarded to throw it away when the computer gets old. Monitors can be used for many many years.

I remember when the new iMac was first announced me and some friends were discussing what a huge mistake it was to go all LCD - it was way too expensive and they needed CRTs. And I was right, they did need them.
 
Weird question....

Why do so many gay people use Apple computers? I have noticed that many of my gay and lesbian friends here in CA seem to overwhelmingly use Apple computers. Is Apple a gay friendly company or what? Just a weird question.... :p
 
Bendit said:
Please. CRTs are still selling like crazy. They might not be in 2-3 years but they are still very popular. LCDs haven't dropped in price as much as many predicted. The only reason I am not buying a 20" iMac is that I know that screen is worth likr $1500 if it were bought on it's own and it's just retarded to throw it away when the computer gets old. Monitors can be used for many many years.

Agreed. CRT's are king, they last forever, are cheap, and have the best colour reproduction.

note: OLED's wil be better.

on the rumor though, looks like apple is trying to clear old stock.
 
Mac2004 said:
Why do so many gay people use Apple computers? I have noticed that many of my gay and lesbian friends here in CA seem to overwhelmingly use Apple computers. Is Apple a gay friendly company or what? Just a weird question.... :p
They are, but its not a gay thing I think, Its a creative thing and seems a lot of gays think different. ;)
 
Regarding Gay question

Mac2004 said:
Why do so many gay people use Apple computers? I have noticed that many of my gay and lesbian friends here in CA seem to overwhelmingly use Apple computers. Is Apple a gay friendly company or what? Just a weird question.... :p

I am not gay. Why would it make a difference to you?
 
Mac2004 said:
Why do so many gay people use Apple computers? I have noticed that many of my gay and lesbian friends here in CA seem to overwhelmingly use Apple computers. Is Apple a gay friendly company or what? Just a weird question.... :p

Maybe gay people are smarter than the rest of the 95% of the computer users!


:D :(
 
Why Do PowerMac users think?

That it is their God given right that no Mac product line can be updated before the others.
Listen, the iMac, iBook, and eMac are ancient.
 
Mac2004 said:
Why do so many gay people use Apple computers? I have noticed that many of my gay and lesbian friends here in CA seem to overwhelmingly use Apple computers. Is Apple a gay friendly company or what? Just a weird question.... :p

it probably started with the rainbow apple logo...maybe, maybe not

here's another question: are apple users more often to be liberal or conservative?

i say liberal, which makes me happy
 
Yes, that was sarcasm...

robbieduncan said:
"sight" not "site" would be better.

Really? ;o) *sigh* Good sarcasm lost in the breeze... It was a pitiful attempt, I agree. And as for it being people's God given right to spell the way they want: I suppose, but it's hard to take you seriously if you are communicating in an illiterate manner and are butchering the English language. Sure, make an allowance for those who are ESL, but for those of you who should know better.. Shame, shame... So, go ahead and flame me. But at least spell your diatribe correctly. :cool:
 
captain kirk said:
You don't appear to know the way apple works. Apple along with Dell are one of thew few manufacturing companies who DO NOT HOLD STOCK. Everything is built to order at the request of either consumers via the online store or at the request of resellers who order larger quanitites. The only exception is apple's own retail stores who obviously hold stock to take away in the same way a normal reseller would. Therefore rebates are not a way of getting rid of excess stock but rather a way of continuing demand for an older product that is close to being updated. Remember the price cut on the powerbooks that occured in mid 2003. This was done in order to maintain demand on titanium powerbooks which were over 6 months old and which Apple knew wouldn't be updated for a further 3-4 months. But to make it clear Apple do not hold stock.

decent point. i wasnt suggesting apple change their system to build to order, i just typed what i was thinking at the time. i know it doesnt make sense, but damn it i want a 3.0 ghz g5
 
This is a PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT from your friendly, local myth debunker.

Tired of waitng for updates?
Think that the G5s are overpriced?
Could you build a cheaper box for yourself, using the same kind of technology?


THINK AGAIN!

A fully-specced out, dual processor machine that uses the same sorts of technology that you'll find under the hood of a G5 is more costly than most would imagine. Sure, you can do it cheaper, with commodity parts, but we want honest and accurate reporting, right?

I can hear you, now. "Right!" you cry out, fists raised into the air.

Well, I'm going to give it to you.

Here's what we're looking at, purely in terms of parts:
  • TYAN AMD-8000 Chipset Server Motherboard for Dual AMD Socket 940 CPU, Model "Thunder K8W (S2885ANRF)" -RETAIL -- $440
  • AMD Opteron Model 146, 1MB L2 Cache 64-bit Processor - Retail X2 -- $598
  • Pioneer 8X DVD+RW/-RW Drive, Model DVR-A07, Retail -- $189
  • ATI RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -RETAIL -- $232
  • Crucial 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - OEM X2 -- $208
  • Maxtor 250GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model 7Y250M0, OEM Drive Only -- $226

What does this system of supposedly outdated components, these once-wonders that are now languishing at a year of age, set you back?

That's a good question!

Here's the answer: $1839.

For a mid-range, outdated Opteron, a motherboard that supports technology that's eerily similar to Apple's boards, a gig of RAM, the same HD that you see in the towers, the same optical drive we have in the towers, and the BTO graphics card, we find a non-adjusted and caseless, powerless equivalent to be nearly two thousand dollars.

If we tack on assembly fees, the famous Apple RAM tax, additional cost for extra features on the cards (ADC, mac drivers), the cost of doing their own R&D for the ASIC, the manufacturing of said device, and the additional supply costs incurred by owning a mac... I'll be unscientific and call the markup 30%.

What does that leave us with? A tower that, without power supply, monitor, or even a case, costs $2406.

Actual cost for a dual 1.8 with the same componets? $3,124. A dual 2.0? $3,574. That amounts to a $700 markup for the midline, and something around the same for the upper one (adjusting for faster processors being more costly - I assume $100 more per chip, which is conservative).

Now, I put it to you, oh MacRumors public...

Would you rather use a technologically elegant, sophisticated system that relies on technology that isn't stagnating and at the end of its life (the Pentium 4)?
Would you rather go with a better solution, rather than the best (AMD)?


I choose what I always have... Think Different!

Brought to you by a lack of sleep, an intense hatred of posts whining about Apple's hardware, and the letter Q.
 
thatwendigo said:
This is a PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT from your friendly, local myth debunker.

Tired of waitng for updates?
Think that the G5s are overpriced?
Could you build a cheaper box for yourself, using the same kind of technology?

I'm not tired of waiting for the G5 update, willing to be patient. I know that Steve will not disappoint.

The G5 is a quality machine and worth the cost IMHO!

I know that I don't have the skill to build a G5.
 
dont worry be happy

I think Apple is going to go for the whole shebang - G5 iMac, G5 Powerbook, and update G5 towers with displays at one time.

I also think the main reason they are not getting done now is that PCI-Express video cards are just barely not ready for prime time now. I dont think Steve wants to intro new systems with AGP and then have to live with that until September/November. PCI-Express is going to be a huge selling point 2 months from now and every gamer in the world is gonna go to it ASAP to get that edge. That would give Apple about 4 months with "old" AGP style systems if they released em now. I dont see any other real constraints except for this. I think IBM is making the G5's and Everything else is in place, except for PCI Express.

I really do think Steve is going to go for "The Big Bang" and intro everything at once. Only maybe not the PB's, but surely the Displays/G5's/G5 iMacs.
 
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