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LudwigVan123 said:
Some of each.
Historically, Apple hasn't announced updated machines during a period when there are rebates offered on that particular model. It's a tactic they usually use to clear out existing stock just prior to an update, which happens just after the rebate period.
Mac aficionados simply do not need to be enticed with rebates and whatnot to buy just-released hardware-- just the opposite is true, they need to be enticed to buy the old stuff when they know a revision is on the horizon and are sitting on their money. Apple always has enough problems with demand for the new stuff as it is, without the additional demand an ongoing rebate would create. They want some of the people waiting for the new stuff to give in and buy the old stuff, to decrease the demand for the new stuff a little bit.
So, based on their past actions (and taking into account that machines announced now would have a very short lifespan if Apple were to keep their promise of 3.0GHz within a year), I feel confident that this new rebate program means no Rev. B G5s until WWDC, which is "coincidentally" a couple days after the rebate ends.
Oh yeah, there's also the fact that Fate loves to screw me at every turn, so if I hadn't been planning on buying a Rev. B G5 since November, they would have been announced at MacWorld back in January.
Sorry, everyone, this is my fault!~Philly
optimism
Taking the optimistic view this may only mean that they want to release updated displays soon, but damn, there is just to many of those pesky 23 inchers in stock. So lets give them a rebate of $500 to clear them out since there won't be a new display at 23 inches anyway. Only applies to G5s because all our other computers (iMac, eMac, Powerbook, iBook) already come with a display.
The extension of the memory promo may just mean that Apple has figured out that people have wised up enough not to buy any extra memory from them at their highly inflated prices so now will sell them extra memory at moderately inflated prices, but to make them feel like they are getting a great deal lets make it a sale instead of just lowering prices.
The " Apple Impress for Less" rebate is missing from Apple's site so it must be something coming out later. For now we can just speculate what Apple product impresses others when they see it.
Being optimistic is much better than taking the pessimistic view that IBM with the G5 has caught the Motorola disease and history is doomed to repeat itself.
Taking the optimistic view this may only mean that they want to release updated displays soon, but damn, there is just to many of those pesky 23 inchers in stock. So lets give them a rebate of $500 to clear them out since there won't be a new display at 23 inches anyway. Only applies to G5s because all our other computers (iMac, eMac, Powerbook, iBook) already come with a display.
The extension of the memory promo may just mean that Apple has figured out that people have wised up enough not to buy any extra memory from them at their highly inflated prices so now will sell them extra memory at moderately inflated prices, but to make them feel like they are getting a great deal lets make it a sale instead of just lowering prices.
The " Apple Impress for Less" rebate is missing from Apple's site so it must be something coming out later. For now we can just speculate what Apple product impresses others when they see it.
Being optimistic is much better than taking the pessimistic view that IBM with the G5 has caught the Motorola disease and history is doomed to repeat itself.
hayesk said:
My decision wasn't based on rumor sites, it was based on the fact that with new machines out, my "wind tunnel" Dual 867 was becoming worth less and was likely to reduce even further in the coming months. Then after a mixture of the initial waiting list for the G5 and reports of niggling problems bringing back memories of the trouble I had with the G4 ( new motherboard and power supply ) I decided to wait for rev b which would be here by Feb or March ( to meet SJ's promise of 3GHz within 12 months ).
To repeat what I said earlier, if Apple have supply problems because their such a minority player that no supplier gives a sh*t about them, that's their problem. When they then expect me to prop their finances up by over charging for dated machines that is my problem. I'll happily buy a rev A machine tomorrow but not at these inflated prices.
loosing...
Too many people loosing site of proper grammar and spelling. The yoke is on the face of our educational system.
IMHO there is wayyy too much homonymial speech going on in this forum.
Too many people loosing site of proper grammar and spelling. The yoke is on the face of our educational system.
IMHO there is wayyy too much homonymial speech going on in this forum.
davetrow1997 said:
With Wintel increasing their share in Education market, that duzznt suprize me one bit.
However, I think the case here is a forum full of Chicken Lickens.
where ever someone mocks someones spelling i will be there It is every forum users god given right to spell as badly as they like. some people do so because there lazy some because they are dyslexic but think of the time it saves the days and day's of work saved. think of the children for gawds sake think of the children
The PowerMac is not falling behind in speed increases.
The G5 PowerMac was shipping in August of 2003 and the Pentium 4 was at 3.2 Ghz at that time.
By July of 2004 the Pentium 4 will likely be at 3.6 GHz, which would be a 12.5% increase in frequency since August of 2003. Compare that to the 50% jump in frequency of 2 Ghz to 3 GHz, for the PowerMac, in about the same time period.
Intel states the Pentium 4 will reach 4 GHz by the end of 2004, which would be a 25% frequency increase from the P4 3.2 GHz of August, 2003.
Apple will likely be using a Power5 based PowerPC processor by January of 2005. That G5 chip will probably get a doubling of L2 cache over the 970fx, which will increase the speed by about 10-15% and it will also include IBM's version of hyperthreading. All in all, there should be about a 50% increase in speed over the 970FX processor.
So to state that Apple is falling behind Intel would be very short sighted thinking and AMD is in the process of trying to catch up with Intel. So a comparison with AMD's recent speed increases would also not taking in the whole picture.
The G5 PowerMac was shipping in August of 2003 and the Pentium 4 was at 3.2 Ghz at that time.
By July of 2004 the Pentium 4 will likely be at 3.6 GHz, which would be a 12.5% increase in frequency since August of 2003. Compare that to the 50% jump in frequency of 2 Ghz to 3 GHz, for the PowerMac, in about the same time period.
Intel states the Pentium 4 will reach 4 GHz by the end of 2004, which would be a 25% frequency increase from the P4 3.2 GHz of August, 2003.
Apple will likely be using a Power5 based PowerPC processor by January of 2005. That G5 chip will probably get a doubling of L2 cache over the 970fx, which will increase the speed by about 10-15% and it will also include IBM's version of hyperthreading. All in all, there should be about a 50% increase in speed over the 970FX processor.
So to state that Apple is falling behind Intel would be very short sighted thinking and AMD is in the process of trying to catch up with Intel. So a comparison with AMD's recent speed increases would also not taking in the whole picture.
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hayesk said:
Are you kidding? Have you ever done any real video or graphics rendering? I'm interested in a PM for video work, and every performance increase helps. Most editors charge their clients 150 per hour. At that rate any performance increase is extremely valuable.
All you people who keep talking about not having an upgrade in a year isn't that bad, you're right. The problem comes when you don't change your prices in that same year, so customers pay the same price now they did last september and the same price the week before the update as the week after the update.
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Phinius said:
Only one problem with this argument, the P4 is an old chip that their trying to wring the last mips out of, the G5 is a brand new chip at the beginning of a long and hopefully successful future. Furthermore, the P4 isn't the G5's competition, the P4 already comfortably won it's battle which was with the G4, the new kids on the block in x86 land are the 64bit chips from AMD and Intel, the Opteron and Itanium. Finally it was Apple themselves that set the agenda when they announced 3Ghz within 12 months.
EDU pricing
This discount actually means that the 23 inch HD costs the same for EDU buyers as normal buyers. EDU buyers already have a $200 discount and their discount it limited to $300. Normal buyers get a $500 discount, so its the same thing
This discount actually means that the 23 inch HD costs the same for EDU buyers as normal buyers. EDU buyers already have a $200 discount and their discount it limited to $300. Normal buyers get a $500 discount, so its the same thing
365 said:
The Itanium is not even in the same class of computers as the G5. IBM's Power4 and Power5 are competitors, not the G5.
Opteron has not jumped way out in front for performance in comparison to the Pentium 4. Intel still effectively rules the roost in performance for the desktop. Also, Opteron is not going to have as great a jump in performance improvement from now till January 2005 as the G5 will. Or do you seriously want to state that the Operton will also likely more than double in performance by January 2005, as the G5 will?
i thought the stock of displays was running low? how can they do a promotion with nothing to give?
odd definition of "proven"
Considering that months after the announcement they're starting (that's *starting*) to ship single CPU models only - I wouldn't call that "proven".
There's obviously a major problem with the Xserve G5 - otherwise both single and dual systems would be readily available.
Waragainstsleep said:
Considering that months after the announcement they're starting (that's *starting*) to ship single CPU models only - I wouldn't call that "proven".
There's obviously a major problem with the Xserve G5 - otherwise both single and dual systems would be readily available.
Jobs announced 1 year for 3 GHz back in June 2003
In June 2003, Steve Jobs announced that IBM had promised him 3 GHz chips in one year. The PowerMac shipped in August 2003. So at the very least one years time from Jobs announcement would be June 2004. Since IBM had available the fastest 970 chip ever made when Apple first had G5 PowerMacs selling, then it's likely that IBM will repeat that when Apple updates the PowerMacs again. The Xserve has just recently begun being shipped by Apple with the new smaller process 970FX, however since the Xserve sells in such small quantitites and its at only 2 GHz, it could be that IBM is supplying Apple with very early production chips. The full production 970FX chips may not be available until June.
365 said:
In June 2003, Steve Jobs announced that IBM had promised him 3 GHz chips in one year. The PowerMac shipped in August 2003. So at the very least one years time from Jobs announcement would be June 2004. Since IBM had available the fastest 970 chip ever made when Apple first had G5 PowerMacs selling, then it's likely that IBM will repeat that when Apple updates the PowerMacs again. The Xserve has just recently begun being shipped by Apple with the new smaller process 970FX, however since the Xserve sells in such small quantitites and its at only 2 GHz, it could be that IBM is supplying Apple with very early production chips. The full production 970FX chips may not be available until June.
I'll put on my rose-tinted glasses and join with the other optimists around here; from my point of view, it seems like the promotion is to try to push the 23-inch display, regardless of what kind (read "which revision) of PowerMac is being purchased. I have every intention of buying a PM as soon as they are updated, but no intention whatsoever of buying an overpriced display, except now that there's $500 off, I might consider it. Well, actually, I'll still use my CRTs, but I'm just trying to make the point.
I'm still holding out hope for Tuesday, but if nothing happens I won't be shocked, just disappointed. Still need to figure out a game plan for the "no updates until June, shipping end of summer" situation; should I look into leasing a G5 in the mean time? Or should I buy a G4 PM (single 1.25 for $999 at UCLA store) to tie me over and just eBay it when new G5s come out? One thing remains true: I do NOT want to pay day 1 prices for a 6-month-old computer!
I'm still holding out hope for Tuesday, but if nothing happens I won't be shocked, just disappointed. Still need to figure out a game plan for the "no updates until June, shipping end of summer" situation; should I look into leasing a G5 in the mean time? Or should I buy a G4 PM (single 1.25 for $999 at UCLA store) to tie me over and just eBay it when new G5s come out? One thing remains true: I do NOT want to pay day 1 prices for a 6-month-old computer!
Phinius said:
I hope this is the case, my point was that you are pointing to the relatively poor percentage increases in performance of the Pentium 4 since the G5 was announced. However your argument is fundamentally flawed by the fact that at this moment in time Apple ( actually IBM ) with a brand new chip have come up with a 0% increase in processor power.
Zaty said:
Frankly if your statement did come true it would be the worst disaster Apple has ever experienced. Already the Pentium M runs rings around the G4 PowerBook. By Summer of '05 why anyone would even bother buying a G4 PowerBook would be beyond me.
Oh ya I forgot. OS X.