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According to the Daily Mail, Willis's daughter Scout has asked to join Apple as a defendant, stating that she "doesn't want her father's crufty, geriatric music," and that "it's 2012. Nobody listens to 'George Thorogood and the Destroyers.'" Scout described the suit as "Just an attempt by my father to control me, even from beyond the grave."
 
I just laugh when I try to seriously visualize the family and loved ones gathered around the executor and lawyer, breathlessly awaiting the reading of the Will. . . . . "and the iTunes library goes to . . . "

Give me a break. :rolleyes:

I hold some sentimental value to my parents old CDs and tapes that still work, I'm sure kids in the not to distant future will hold the same values for digital files.
 
Ha. Are you saying the whole business model is falling apart if we are able to pass our music down to our own kids? You got to be kidding. He`s not suing to be able to pass it to everyone on the internet. I seriously doubt that this will have a significant financial impact on the industry.
As long as the percentage of paying customers greatly exceeds the percentage of pirating "customers", the industry as a whole won't be affected. But turn those numbers upside down and it's suddenly a different story.

And, of course, people are free to create their own music or other works that they are free to share with the world, if they so choose. As I said earlier, it's always easier to give away things that belong to someone else.

How can you not acknowledge that this is a good thing? We have judiciaty system to challenge the status quo, which in this case was mainly determined by the music industry. Now the court has to find out whether the people or the music industry are right. Again whats wrong about this?

Little known fact: Intellectual property rights were secured for authors and inventors in the original US Constitution (commonly called the Copyright Clause) back in 1787.
 
It seems to me that the notion that songs are tagged with iTunes user ID was debunked as a myth a long time ago.

If anything comes up under "purchased songs", that's because it contains your iTunes user ID. Interestingly, my iTunes user ID is also my email address, and some company that I purchase eBooks from also uses my email address to identify me - and all these eBooks turn up under "purchased" in my iTunes library automatically!

Yes, the user ID is there. A good programmer could easily write a program that goes through your iTunes library, wipes out all the user IDs, and it still works. Or could turn all your songs into "purchased songs". There were also stories, mostly out of paranoia, that Apple put some secret watermarks into iTunes songs. Fact is that the Quicktime standard says that every quicktime file contains the date when it is created, and that date is the date when you downloaded the music. Again, it could be easily wiped out (would be better to replace it with a fixed date, like Jan 1st 2000 or something like that).
 
THE SUN and DAILY MAIL?

Maybe he’s joining forces with Sally from Dudley who’s just so excited to be involved with music (and get her tits out).

Or perhaps he’s heard that Princess Diana was actually murdered by a time travelling Steve Jobs in an attempt to prevent her extensive (future) iTunes library from being uploaded through a torrent by Prince Harry.

But seriously, THE SUN and DAILY MAIL?
 
you're paying for connivence, the servers they are on, the electricity they need to run the servers and keep them cool, and so on. I am willing to bet you can't even hear the difference and most people can't.
I like I can buy a song or CD with out going to the store or waiting for the mail to come. I also don't have to worry about running out of space storing them, which I am now in that predicament. I have 4 boxes on CD's in my basement taking up much needed space.

Perhaps I see not owning something but renting it, yet paying an "Ownership" price tag a a major inconvenience.

I will do all I can to never buy any downloaded content unless there is simply no other way to do so. If everyone else did the same prices would drop like a stone. they are all laughing at you on their ways to the bank, paying for media you don't own, costs them nothing to duplicate, no shipping costs, no shop rental costs, no sales staff, and at the end of the day it's not yours anyway.

Amazing
 
And, of course, people are free to create their own music or other works that they are free to share with the world, if they so choose. As I said earlier, it's always easier to give away things that belong to someone else.

"On August 8, 2012, it was announced that Beck's new project Song Reader would be released in December 2012, featuring twenty songs as sheet music only, with full-color art for each song, in a hardcover carrying case." (wikipedia). I suppose that the idea is that you play it yourself, and it would be nice if sharing your rendition of the songs were legal.


Maybe Bruce just figured out this would also apply to movies?

What's there to figure out? Do you think he would mind if your children inherit not only your "Die Hard" DVDs, but also the copies in your iTunes account?
 
Which is amusing, since they've specifically said "music you've gotten anywhere".

Oh nevermind, I'm not going to change your mind. I was just saying, there is an easy way to will your iTunes music collection.

With "gotten" they mean "legally purchased". For sure they don't mean "pirated". I'm going to try to change your mind. I'll use iTunes Match's ToS as argument with emphasis mine: http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html

You hereby agree to use iTunes Match only for lawfully acquired content. Any use for illegitimate content infringes the rights of others and may subject you to civil and criminal penalties, including possible monetary damages, for copyright infringement.

iTunes Match might be an easy way, but it doesn't mean it's a legal way.
 
What you do is illegal. I fully agree that it should be legal, but it isn't. And that is what this "bonehead" is after: Allowing his children to use his music collection _legally_. Or allowing his heirs, or anybody's heirs, to sell someone's music collection after that person died.

Since when is having one iTunes library for the family "illegal??"
 
You'd think he'd be rich enough to just buy another set of albums for his heirs. But I'm glad he's fighting for this. It should be just like inheriting a set of old dusty records.
 
Perhaps I see not owning something but renting it, yet paying an "Ownership" price tag a a major inconvenience.

I will do all I can to never buy any downloaded content unless there is simply no other way to do so. If everyone else did the same prices would drop like a stone. they are all laughing at you on their ways to the bank, paying for media you don't own, costs them nothing to duplicate, no shipping costs, no shop rental costs, no sales staff, and at the end of the day it's not yours anyway.

Amazing

let them laugh, I honestly don't care. I am not looking to give my music to anyone and Home Sharing lets anyone one in my house listen also. I don't care if a friend wants it and I can't give it to them. I can also burn the music to a CD if I want, and I have. You think CD's will be around forever? I rather do something else with the space in my basement than store CD's.
The fact you're worried about how I get my music.. Amazing.. :rolleyes:
Also no retail space? Servers are in buildings that take resources. People maintain them also, which cost money. Cost nothing to ship? because the lines they put in were free... Just a different way of "shipping" the music.

Like I said before, I do both, but you really want to know the cost of making a CD? It's no where the $9.99 to $11.99 they charge in a store.

So how is it "Rent"? If I rent something, I can't damage it, I pay a fee more than once to keep it. When I rented my apartment, I didn't pay a 1 time fee. I also couldn't change anything when I rented (edit a song).
 
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I hold some sentimental value to my parents old CDs and tapes that still work, I'm sure kids in the not to distant future will hold the same values for digital files.

An album or a CD is a personal item. Tangible and with physical history. Same with jewelry, cars, homes or clothes. But if you truly find great comfort in somehow holding a sterile digital audio file that will be forever attainable through countless sources (and which has never been physically touched), I think you may be unique. I already have albums from my parents, and they are priceless to me. But they have a personal history of contact and location with my family and childhood, from the water rings on some to remembering my Mom grasping them by the edges as she blew the dust off of them. My parents also have an iTunes account, but it holds no such memories, and it is not something that is included in their Will, as compared to many personal items that are.
 

People need to get off their high horse about downloading music on the Internet. The artist gets a terribly small percentage of that money (which doesn't justify illegal downloading), but if you really want to support the artist, go to the shows. Buy the merchandise.

I have certainly spent a lot more on live shows and merch because of things like Napster way back when and Pirate Bay because those things allowed me to really give artists a chance at low risk in terms of price. If I like it, I will go out and spend the money on it and then some.

As great as the 1:30 sample is on iTunes, you still can't get a sense of what that album is like. I just can't justify spending $10 on a record I just might hate or like only 5 songs from. Maybe that's why I'm so picky with music in the first place.

And if you're really paranoid about stealing, borrow the record from a friend. But I guess that's effectively stealing too.
 
Perhaps I see not owning something but renting it, yet paying an "Ownership" price tag a a major inconvenience.

I will do all I can to never buy any downloaded content unless there is simply no other way to do so. If everyone else did the same prices would drop like a stone. they are all laughing at you on their ways to the bank, paying for media you don't own, costs them nothing to duplicate, no shipping costs, no shop rental costs, no sales staff, and at the end of the day it's not yours anyway.

Amazing

And meanwhile, without gas money to head to the stores, without shipping charges if I order a box to be delivered, and instantly, I get what I want. Play on the devices I want without going through a ripping process. (Yes, that's helped by the fact that the devices I want are all from Apple). And when I'm in the mood for a movie, I pick one from my library by name and it's playing, or pick the playlist or whatever.

You prefer physical media, go for it! Me, I'm happy with what I'm getting. That reminds me, I got last night's Leverage to watch.
 
As long as the percentage of paying customers greatly exceeds the percentage of pirating "customers", the industry as a whole won't be affected. But turn those numbers upside down and it's suddenly a different story.

And, of course, people are free to create their own music or other works that they are free to share with the world, if they so choose. As I said earlier, it's always easier to give away things that belong to someone else.



Little known fact: Intellectual property rights were secured for authors and inventors in the original US Constitution (commonly called the Copyright Clause) back in 1787.

You seem to happily ignore that CDs, DVDs etc with the same content are inherited by kids too. Just because the industry says it is illegal does not mean that this will stand up in court.

What I also don`t understand is why you cite a copyright? Who said he wants his kids to be able to copy his music? The problem is transferability as stated in the title.
It seems that you are confusing "transfering" of music with "pirating" of music.
 
If anything comes up under "purchased songs", that's because it contains your iTunes user ID. Interestingly, my iTunes user ID is also my email address, and some company that I purchase eBooks from also uses my email address to identify me - and all these eBooks turn up under "purchased" in my iTunes library automatically!

Yes, the user ID is there. A good programmer could easily write a program that goes through your iTunes library, wipes out all the user IDs, and it still works. Or could turn all your songs into "purchased songs". There were also stories, mostly out of paranoia, that Apple put some secret watermarks into iTunes songs. Fact is that the Quicktime standard says that every quicktime file contains the date when it is created, and that date is the date when you downloaded the music. Again, it could be easily wiped out (would be better to replace it with a fixed date, like Jan 1st 2000 or something like that).

i believe u can just convert the song again and the tag is gone. in fact its not even hard to do the opposite and to add the tag to stuff u havent even purchased in itunes. some movies i ripped say that ive purchased them on itunes including the date of purchase ^^
 
What's there to figure out? Do you think he would mind if your children inherit not only your "Die Hard" DVDs, but also the copies in your iTunes account?

Every artist (and their heirs) understands the concept of royalties and residuals, esp. those at Mr. Willis' end of the payscale.
 
You seem to happily ignore that CDs, DVDs etc with the same content are inherited by kids too. Just because the industry says it is illegal does not mean that this will stand up in court.

What I also don`t understand is why you cite a copyright? Who said he wants his kids to be able to copy his music? The problem is transferability as stated in the title.
It seems that you are confusing "transfering" of music with "pirating" of music.

If the mythical Bruce who supposedly is suing Apple (the real Bruce's wife says the story is false) wants his kids to divvy up his collection, one kid takes these files, another kids take these files, that's transferring. Which should be legal, though may be technically challenging for Apple to provide a way to do it.

If the mythical Bruce wants to give all his kids his library, so every kid gets every song, that isn't transferring.
 
And meanwhile, without gas money to head to the stores, without shipping charges if I order a box to be delivered, and instantly, I get what I want. Play on the devices I want without going through a ripping process. (Yes, that's helped by the fact that the devices I want are all from Apple). And when I'm in the mood for a movie, I pick one from my library by name and it's playing, or pick the playlist or whatever.

You prefer physical media, go for it! Me, I'm happy with what I'm getting. That reminds me, I got last night's Leverage to watch.

I'm with you on this. One day I was getting ready for work I downloaded the new In This Moment, put it on my iPod and I had it on the way to work.
 
People need to get off their high horse about downloading music on the Internet. The artist gets a terribly small percentage of that money (which doesn't justify illegal downloading), but if you really want to support the artist, go to the shows. Buy the merchandise.

I have certainly spent a lot more on live shows and merch because of things like Napster way back when and Pirate Bay because those things allowed me to really give artists a chance at low risk in terms of price. If I like it, I will go out and spend the money on it and then some.

As great as the 1:30 sample is on iTunes, you still can't get a sense of what that album is like. I just can't justify spending $10 on a record I just might hate or like only 5 songs from. Maybe that's why I'm so picky with music in the first place.

And if you're really paranoid about stealing, borrow the record from a friend. But I guess that's effectively stealing too.

Criminals often try to justify their crimes, but they're still breaking the law. You're not Robin Hood.
 
And meanwhile, without gas money to head to the stores, without shipping charges if I order a box to be delivered, and instantly, I get what I want. Play on the devices I want without going through a ripping process. (Yes, that's helped by the fact that the devices I want are all from Apple). And when I'm in the mood for a movie, I pick one from my library by name and it's playing, or pick the playlist or whatever.

You prefer physical media, go for it! Me, I'm happy with what I'm getting. That reminds me, I got last night's Leverage to watch.

The point is, if someone has physical media that they have paid the same price for as you with your poorer quality (audio or visual) copy that's inly rental you are limited.

Why limit yourself with a product, when you can just wait say 2 days and have a physical version of a higher quality that is yours to do as you like with?
 
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