Yeah! I want the innards updated at every possible turn but when you have such a wonderful design as that well it's just plain stupid to drop it and even worse never to acknowledge the error and never revisit it.
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Brushed Aluminum iMac at WWDC?
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Yeah! I want the innards updated at every possible turn but when you have such a wonderful design as that well it's just plain stupid to drop it and even worse never to acknowledge the error and never revisit it.
Sounds familiar... Oh right, "Apple will never switch to intel, get over it."
May not have been you who said that, but you know what I mean.
People are asking for it (especially current/future Mac mini owners and potential switchers), why not make it?
We're not asking much. A single PCIe slot (for the graphics card) or at least a decent GPU/VRAM (say, the one in the new MacBook Pro), single or dual 3.5" drive(s), up to 4GB, Core 2 Duo. With these specs and the right price (799$US?), Apple would sell boatloads of these.
hmm..i dunno about that. i would think that after the high end iMac you would want to move on to a MacPro. i dont see any reason for apple to make another desktop Pro when there really isnt a need for one. It might sell but i think the MacPro renders it obsolete
QFT...absolutely right.
Apple selling a midrange tower at this price would kill.
Even around $999...it would still sell well.
I like the iMac but they're completely forgetting about people (in that price range) who want more expandability, don't need a monitor, or both. Mac Pro is a great machine that is too far out of the budget reach of most potential buyers.
If they announce a midtower under $1000 at WWDC, I'm all over it and will buy one as soon as we get the money. If not - I'll stick with my plans on building a Q6600 midtower after the July price drop and deal with Windows for awhile longer.
I'm just saying it's only a disadvantage if people care. A lot of people don't. I know I don't. I'm not going to go in and upgrade it, so I don't care if it's hardwired like a laptop. It's not a disadvantage.
Am I the only one who doesn't see the mad rush to get a re-design yet? Sure its been around for a while, but its still very unique and makes heads turn, especially when you explain to people that the whole computer is in that one unit.
I think the current design is still cutting edge and while I understand Apple's need to constantly stay ahead of the game, I haven't seen any other manufacturer come close to producing anything as stylish in a single box solution.
I think the current design is still cutting edge and while I understand Apple's need to constantly stay ahead of the game, I haven't seen any other manufacturer come close to producing anything as stylish in a single box solution.
I don't disagree with you entirely, but there is no way you will get that kind of machine at that price. Look at how pathetic the mini is, and it is practically the same price as what you suggested.
I think this machine would help sell to hobbyists, prosumers, and tech people, but I do not see the average consumer caring if they can use old stuff when Apple has solutions that make reusing old stuff unncessary.
I have to admit that the weak GPU's are what kept me from switching many, many years back; however, today, my priorities have changed.
(I would love to be wrong about this, but I really don't believe I am).
This can be good and bad. If they just change the white to aluminum and have the chin i think it would look ugly. But if its just a ACD then i think it would look great as i love the ACD.
That's Apple price, not bulk/oem pricing. If Apple really wants to get numbers and start selling more systems, they have to drop their prices at least 10-15% to get closer to "the other guys".
If you go build something yourself, you could build a Core 2 Duo machine around $450-$600, and those are based on retail prices, not bulk/oem prices that Apple would get (buying parts in batches of 1,000 etc). If they release a midtower under $1000, I'm telling you...it would sell. And the price would be competitive in the grand scheme of things.
Prices are already dropping a little on cpus, and with the new Intel chips coming out for Stoakley-Seaburg next month, prices will drop even more. Case in point - the Q6600 (Quad 2.4) is around $550 right now; next month when the new chips are released, it drops to $260. $260 for a Quad 2.4!! That's insane! Not only that, you can get 4 gigs of GOOD brand name (Mushkin) DDR2 800 ram for $180 right now.
The system I was going to put together...Q6600, P35 (Stoakley-Seaburg) chipset Gigabyte mobo, 4 gigs of the aforementioned Mushkin DDR2 800 ram, EVGA GeForce 8800GTS 320meg video card, 20x LiteOn DVD burner, 22" Samsung 226BW LCD monitor, 320g SATA HD, Antec Neo430HE psu, etc...including Vista or XP runs around $1450. Half the price of a Mac Pro 2.66 [base] and much better specs (aside from the slight cpu difference).
With those things in mind...do you still think it's impossible for Apple to sell a Core 2 midtower at $799?
(Improbable, I know...)I think in one regard, we've been (or at least I've been) let down with the switch to Intel...Apple's pricing scheme.
Hence my earlier comment about using desktop parts instead of laptop parts. They're cheaper for equivalent quality. You could easily span a price range of $600 - $1500 with yesterdays processor and integrated graphics at the bottom (essentially what you get when you buy a mini now) and a single upper end processor with the same graphics card they put in the Mac Pro at the top.
I don't think we should bother expecting Apple to ever get fair on their pricing, they seem clearly intent on waiting for the customer to come to them rather than the other way around.
Of course for the majority of people in the world this rules them out of buying a Mac, because no matter how much they like the design or UI, they aren't bothered enough about their computer to pay over the odds.
It worked with the iPod, it'll work with the iPhone, but they are both product niches that were somewhat luxury anyway - computers are commodities, high end MP3 players and smartphones are not, for most people their computer is just another given expense like water, electricity and gas - they'll go budget every time.
Would be nice if Apple realised this.
Of course for the majority of people in the world this rules them out of buying a Mac, because no matter how much they like the design or UI, they aren't bothered enough about their computer to pay over the odds.
It worked with the iPod, it'll work with the iPhone, but they are both product niches that were somewhat luxury anyway - computers are commodities, high end MP3 players and smartphones are not, for most people their computer is just another given expense like water, electricity and gas - they'll go budget every time.
Would be nice if Apple realised this.
I agree for the most part, except the iPod part.
iPods have been slightly premium at cost over other mp3 players, but not too far out of reach.
With their computers though - they are for the most part out of touch with reality. I think the only systems I've seen Apple price around market value (in terms of other PC makers) - that would be the MacBook. MacBooks are priced great, and close to what a comparable Windows laptop would cost.
Apple's desktops, on the other hand - are a different story.
Look - I don't expect Apple to change their practices and take money out of their own pockets across the board. But it would be nice if they could release a desktop model that was fairly priced versus everyone else, yet inexpensive enough that most fence-sitters or switchers could afford it. As they are right now though, it seems like Apple is content with being "out of reach" of most consumers, or a little too niche for everyone else's tastes. I want a Mac at home again so badly, but it's hard to justify the entry fee when a monster Windows/*nix box can be built or bought for so much cheaper. And I can't speak for other people, but I know when those wheels start turning in my head, the next thought that follows is "Windows isn't THAT bad to deal with" and in reality it isn't. But I'd damn sure rather be using OS X at home though.
~just my $0.02.
iPods have been slightly premium at cost over other mp3 players, but not too far out of reach.
With their computers though - they are for the most part out of touch with reality. I think the only systems I've seen Apple price around market value (in terms of other PC makers) - that would be the MacBook. MacBooks are priced great, and close to what a comparable Windows laptop would cost.
Apple's desktops, on the other hand - are a different story.
Look - I don't expect Apple to change their practices and take money out of their own pockets across the board. But it would be nice if they could release a desktop model that was fairly priced versus everyone else, yet inexpensive enough that most fence-sitters or switchers could afford it. As they are right now though, it seems like Apple is content with being "out of reach" of most consumers, or a little too niche for everyone else's tastes. I want a Mac at home again so badly, but it's hard to justify the entry fee when a monster Windows/*nix box can be built or bought for so much cheaper. And I can't speak for other people, but I know when those wheels start turning in my head, the next thought that follows is "Windows isn't THAT bad to deal with" and in reality it isn't. But I'd damn sure rather be using OS X at home though.
~just my $0.02.
Oh, trust me I know. That's why I put "improbable" in there.
I think we're more likely to see the next version of Office only available on Mac before Apple rethinks their pricing strategy and gets aggresive; they don't need to...they are their own competition. *shrug*
I think we're more likely to see the next version of Office only available on Mac before Apple rethinks their pricing strategy and gets aggresive; they don't need to...they are their own competition. *shrug*
Who knows what will happen. Steve Jobs did say "massive investments in desktops", so maybe we will see a totally new form factor for the mini / totally new model.
The rumors suggest that the Mini will be phased out, the iMac will be updated, so maybe something is in the works to replace the Mini. I would love to see a tower other than the Mac Pro and will be the first to eat my words if I am wrong, but I don't see it happening.
Let's face it; the Mini sucks, and it sucks worse now that the Apple TV is out. Here's hoping to a superior sucessor.
The rumors suggest that the Mini will be phased out, the iMac will be updated, so maybe something is in the works to replace the Mini. I would love to see a tower other than the Mac Pro and will be the first to eat my words if I am wrong, but I don't see it happening.
Let's face it; the Mini sucks, and it sucks worse now that the Apple TV is out. Here's hoping to a superior sucessor.
I just hope your namesake doesn't design the new iMac
Hang on. BMW concept CS, 5 series, 3 series coupe. Superb looking cars. I would love it if my imac looked like a 5 series.
It was me, and I was joking, but thanks anyway!
Seriously though, I've been reading some recent research reports from MIT and the like and wireless power might not be as impossible as some might think - they are making significant strides in the areas of nonradiative electromagnetic induction and such.
Headless Mac Tower?
Wow - I sure hope this story means we will actually get a headless Mac tower in the <$900 range. Why is Apple so focused on the all-in-one iMac craze? A cheap, headless Mac to fill the gap between the Mini and the MacPro is way overdue!
Wow - I sure hope this story means we will actually get a headless Mac tower in the <$900 range. Why is Apple so focused on the all-in-one iMac craze? A cheap, headless Mac to fill the gap between the Mini and the MacPro is way overdue!
I've said this many times myself, but I just don't know if it will happen. Many people forget that prior to the G3 iMac, Apple was not enamoured with this whole AIO concept. Yes, there were still AIOs such as the SE/30 and such (my brother had one of those) but they weren't as prominent and such a focus as the iMac now is, at least that's the way it seems to me. Having a separate display was nice, and if Apple continues to increase the screen size on the iMac it's going to make it harder and harder to throw that display away just because you need a new machine, the HDD dies, etc. - at least I know I would have an issue with throwing away a perfectly good 24" display just because I needed a new Mac!
But, that topic has been discussed many times in this thread already, so no need to repeat matters....
What if...
Since Apple TV was supposed to be called iTV... I've been wondering if Apple doesn't want to get rid of all "i" names on their products...
So we'd get :
Mac
Mac Pro
Macbook
Macbook Pro
Or, to go in the same line as
TV :
Mac
Mac Pro
Macbook
Macbook Pro
Nahhh... Never mind, just don't see it myself... Sorry for the rant.
Since Apple TV was supposed to be called iTV... I've been wondering if Apple doesn't want to get rid of all "i" names on their products...
So we'd get :
Mac
Mac Pro
Macbook
Macbook Pro
Or, to go in the same line as
TV : MacMac Pro
Macbook
Macbook Pro
Nahhh... Never mind, just don't see it myself... Sorry for the rant.
I don't see anything wrong with that.. but then they'd have to rename the iPod and that just isnt ever going to happen.Since Apple TV was supposed to be called iTV... I've been wondering if Apple doesn't want to get rid of all "i" names on their products...
So we'd get :
Mac
Mac Pro
Macbook
Macbook Pro
Or, to go in the same line as
Mac Pro
Macbook
Macbook Pro
Nahhh... Never mind, just don't see it myself... Sorry for the rant.