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I don’t get why MacRumors keeps going to bat for the new SE. Is this an article or a press release? Are we to expect similar any time Apple has a lackluster release? Suspending manufacturing a week after release tells us everything we need to know about this SE.

The chip means little in the low-cost category, and certainly not enough to compensate for the outdated nature of the rest of this SE. How much does the chip matter if the rest of the phone isn’t designed to take full advantage of its capabilities?

Even if someone was able to jury-rig an M1 to work on an Apple II, that wouldn’t make it a modern computer.
The SE is a product for Apple. In reality, Apple doesn't want you to buy the SE. They'd rather you buy the 11, 12 or even 13, which gives Apple more margin.

Purpose of the SE is to have a lower-cost tier in the lineup with very minimal cost that can be maintained for a long time. Since Apple made their own chip, the cost of putting the A15 on the SE is probably negligible in the bigger scheme of things. Apple putting the A15 in there is to keep the cheapest iPhone within range of iOS support with its 2 to 3 years of shelf-life in the lineup since unlike the higher tier iPhones, Apple will probably keep the SE on its spot for more than a year or 2. Having the SE means Apple can say they sell iPhones from $400. They kept the old design so people entering the Apple store planning to buy a "cheap" iPhone will see the "outdated" look of the SE, and then see the iPhone 11 for just $70 more, and Apple hopes people will simply end up buying the 11 instead.

It's going to be even more stark contrast coming this September where Apple would presumably discontinue the 11 and drop the price of the iPhone 12. By that time, people will see a $429 iPhone SE, and a much fancier and shinier OLED screen of the 12 for not much more money.

It's the high end sophisticated version of upsize your happy meal strategy.
 
You got jokes. There's a reason Apple just slashed production of SE's...NOBODY WANTS IT. They'be also increased production of 13's. The SE is a flop.

We will see. I have been and remain skeptical about that report. Although now with the world being on the brink of WWIII and the spike in inflation worldwide, I do not believe this year’s sales of the SE3 are really comparable to the release of the SE2, but alas it is going to happen regardless. But still, 15 million sold is no small number. That’s 15 million more people into the Apple ecosystem, into Apple Music, TV, App Store, possibly an Apple Watch, iPad, and on and on. This model is not a failure by any means, not even sales.
 
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Isn’t it kinda of embarrassing that the budget Samsung phone has something approaching a “Pro” display? I mean come on, OLED and 120Hz - we only see these on an Apple phone costing £1000 upwards
 
We will see. I have been and remain skeptical about that report. Although now with the world being on the brink of WWIII and the spike in inflation worldwide, I do not believe this year’s sales of the SE3 are really comparable to the release of the SE2, but alas it is going to happen regardless. But still, 15 million sold is no small number. That’s 15 million more people into the Apple ecosystem, into Apple Music, TV, App Store, possibly an Apple Watch, iPad, and on and on. This model is not a failure by any means, not even sales.
In my country the SE3 costs nearly as much as the 12mini and the 13mini is not that much more.

The SE3 should have been the SE2 with small updates but at 299$. No one cares about A15 or 5G in that price range. 4G is plenty fast for 98,4% of normal usage. The SE is for the budget office-phone or the kids' first iPhone.
 
Shouldn’t budget consumers care more about build quality and longevity of the device over screen size?

If I’m on a “budget” it usually means I don’t have the disposable income to frequently replace devices.
Maybe they should, but DO they?

People on a budget also shouldn’t spend money on beer and cigarettes, yet the lower income you have, the more likely you are to be a smoker or an alcoholic. Logic and reason isn’t the basis of consumer behaviour.

I think Apple stretched this design too thin. It worked for SE 2, I don’t think it will work again. This should have been the Xr design updated, not the 8 design updated.
 
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Maybe they should, but DO they?

People on a budget also shouldn’t spend money on beer and cigarettes, yet the lower income you have, the more likely you are to be a smoker or an alcoholic. Logic and reason isn’t the basis of consumer behaviour.

I think Apple stretched this design too thin. It worked for SE 2, I don’t think it will work again. This should have been the Xr design updated, not the 8 design updated.
It should have been the 12 mini with a decent, flush-mounted camera, fingerprint reader in button and no notch. SE1 Mk2!
 
In the end, whatever Apple is building, it is to give more value to the brand, so people will be willing to buy whatever Apple is selling.
BREAKING NEWS!!!
Apple Inc. cares about, was made a $2 trillion plus company by, very much values, has a strong amount of, and pays a lot of attention and makes a lot of moves trying to retain *checks notes* customer loyalty.
Yes, it’s unbelievable I know, but Apple wants their customers to trust them, so that they will continue purchasing products, which will continue to create profit.
/S
Of course there are people who will buy a product with an Apple logo on it over anything else. That’s exactly what Apple strives for, and they didn’t get there by making crap products that irritate and frustrate the people who use them.
 
The SE is a product for Apple. In reality, Apple doesn't want you to buy the SE. They'd rather you buy the 11, 12 or even 13, which gives Apple more margin.

Purpose of the SE is to have a lower-cost tier in the lineup with very minimal cost that can be maintained for a long time. Since Apple made their own chip, the cost of putting the A15 on the SE is probably negligible in the bigger scheme of things. Apple putting the A15 in there is to keep the cheapest iPhone within range of iOS support with its 2 to 3 years of shelf-life in the lineup since unlike the higher tier iPhones, Apple will probably keep the SE on its spot for more than a year or 2. Having the SE means Apple can say they sell iPhones from $400. They kept the old design so people entering the Apple store planning to buy a "cheap" iPhone will see the "outdated" look of the SE, and then see the iPhone 11 for just $70 more, and Apple hopes people will simply end up buying the 11 instead.

It's going to be even more stark contrast coming this September where Apple would presumably discontinue the 11 and drop the price of the iPhone 12. By that time, people will see a $429 iPhone SE, and a much fancier and shinier OLED screen of the 12 for not much more money.

It's the high end sophisticated version of upsize your happy meal strategy.

100% agree with your interpretation and understanding of Apple's reasoning; they just seem to have gone too far towards making it "lesser" this time. There's a line between enticing prospective SE buyers to upgrade to an 11, 12, or 13, and giving them a phone that's not even the latest and greatest in its category. Apple needs to return to a point where, at the end of the day, those that aren't enticed to buy the better model, for whatever reason, still feel they are getting the best for what they are willing or able to pay. A low cost option makes sense, I just wish Apple focused more on making it being an option this time and less on making it the runt of the litter.

If Apple is going to invest in marketing a low-cost option, at least make sure it will sell enough to make it worth the effort. If they're just trying to sell the higher-end models, just spend the cash on effective advertising rather than waste cash and resources on R&D in the process.

At the end of the day, I have my 12, and plan on upgrading to the 14 when it's released. I don't even have a problem with Apple being a company that only goes after high-income earners or high-spenders, but if they do want to appeal to those that can't afford or are unwilling to pay for the latest and greatest, the "let them eat cake" attitude needs to go. People that buy the SE should be excited at the point of sale, not lamenting they can't afford or can't justify paying for the better options. If you've hit the latter, which I feel Apple has here, your aspirational marketing has gone too far. Imagine if Louis Vuitton or Gucci released a press release basically saying "If you buy anything plastered in our logo, that's the cheap option, only the more expensive stuff that's subtle is worth a damn." I bet we'd all see a lot less ostentatious luggage at the airport, similar to the lackluster sales Apple is seeing now.

I hadn't even thought about September, that's really going to be a contrast! Here's to hoping they plan on releasing an SE every year too, then there's at least hope the next iteration is closer to its older siblings in might.
 
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We will see. I have been and remain skeptical about that report. Although now with the world being on the brink of WWIII and the spike in inflation worldwide, I do not believe this year’s sales of the SE3 are really comparable to the release of the SE2, but alas it is going to happen regardless. But still, 15 million sold is no small number. That’s 15 million more people into the Apple ecosystem, into Apple Music, TV, App Store, possibly an Apple Watch, iPad, and on and on. This model is not a failure by any means, not even sales.
There's nothing to see. The SE is a flop. That's why Apple slashing SE production and ramping up the 13. Small LCD screens don't sell in 2022.

 
BREAKING NEWS!!!
Apple Inc. cares about, was made a $2 trillion plus company by, very much values, has a strong amount of, and pays a lot of attention and makes a lot of moves trying to retain *checks notes* customer loyalty.
Yes, it’s unbelievable I know, but Apple wants their customers to trust them, so that they will continue purchasing products, which will continue to create profit.
/S
Of course there are people who will buy a product with an Apple logo on it over anything else. That’s exactly what Apple strives for, and they didn’t get there by making crap products that irritate and frustrate the people who use them.
That has nothing to do with the SE being a Flop. There are better options from Apple and other Andoid OEM's. No need to defend apple for making a lackluster product like the SE. It's poor sales and slashed production are proof.
 
It should have been the 12 mini with a decent, flush-mounted camera, fingerprint reader in button and no notch. SE1 Mk2!

Either a 12 mini or revive the XR since they decided to stick with an LCD screen. The SE is a severely dated phone in 2022 and sales are actual proof.
 
As a person who sells gadgets. My people will rather go for the Samsung A53 than the iPhone SE. Even when you explain the benefit that comes with it, they will stick to what's cheaper
 
Why is the camera crap? All iPhone models only have 12 Megapixel camera. Even my iPhone 8 has the same camera. Everything else is just software processing. ?
The camera is crap because it has no night mode. no optical zoom. now wide lens etc.
 
As others have noted here and elsewhere, it's more about the ecosystem than anything else for most customers... but the SE is definitely a compromise on multiple fronts, there's no arguing that. I honestly thought Apple was done with that design with the iPhone 8 -- and when the somewhat more budget friendly XR was released, I was sure of it. Then there was the 2nd Gen SE, and I thought maybe that one would be the final death throes of the Home button. Now we have a 3rd Gen SE.

Apple is clearly catering to a crowd that still wants what that aging platform offers, and I suppose they know the statistics better than we do -- as they literally know exactly how many of each iPhone model they sell, while we're all just guessing. But it still seems like a bit of an oddity.

this 100%
 
Now this person absolutely does not want to have to get used to gesture controls or anything like that, they want a phone that works just like their old one.
That’s where the SE3 comes in.
Basically the same form factor, but brand-new battery, brand-new processor, 5+ years of support.
More than just basically the same form factor--it's precisely identical to the iPhone 8 or the 2020 SE. I'm pretty sure it's close enough that it's compatible with 7, 6S, and 6 cases as well.

Based on the users I know who would buy the 2022 SE, the fact that they can just re-use their existing case is a definite plus.
 
The SE's absurdly small screen and iOS's dated home screen makes this an embarrassment.
What makes you think that there’s not a demographic that wouldn’t want a ‘small screen’? Are you under the illusion that everybody wants a $1000 smart phone with a 6.5 inch display? Apple would only be doing themself a disservice if they didn’t offer an entry-level phone that is departed from the more expensive, larger iPhones, and for those who maybe are more budget conscious in terms of wanting a device that’s not overly large, this device meets the basic requirements with five years of iOS support easily for those that can still be part of Apple‘s ecosystem.

Your argument, is a ‘small screen and iOS is dated’, which doesn’t hinder the selling of a phone like this for those who specifically aren’t concerned with a small screen, and certainly not ‘iOS’s dated home screen.’
 
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First time I've ever heard someone argue the SE isn't a budget phone. Apple couldn't make it more clear with their own advertising. There is nothing "manual transmission" about the fact that iPhone SE doesn't have Night mode or uses the same front camera as iPhone 7. It's simply a low-cost iPhone.

"The most affordable iPhone features the powerful A15 Bionic, 5G, better battery life, improved durability, and a new camera system with advanced features like Smart HDR 4, Photographic Styles, and Deep Fusion."
If Apple wanted a $430 phone in the lineup and wanted to sell it on price rather than familiarity, why wouldn't they have kept the XR or something similar value-engineered instead of sticking a brand-new CPU in an 8-year-old, outdated form factor?

I'm not an advertising expert, but it's not like Apple's going to say "Are you old and hate new things? Does the thought of learning to swipe instead of that comforting button make you upset? Are you fine with your 6-year-old cracked-screen phone, but it stopped working and you just want another one just like it? Do we have the device for you!" They'll just say "Hey, it's affordable. You're a smart shopper who likes good deals, we've got just the device for you!"

Yes, there are probably a handful of people who would rather spend $430 for a 3rd generation SE than $500 for a new 11, $400 for a used 11, way less for a refurb XR, or anywhere in that range for a new Android phone. But I know zero people who would the SE form factor over one of the alternatives just based on price, and two (both seniors) off the top of my head who would actively prefer an iPhone 6-alike and don't want something most people consider "better".
 
What makes you think that there’s not a demographic that wouldn’t want a ‘small screen’? Are you under the illusion that everybody wants a $1000 smart phone with a 6.5 inch display? Apple would only be doing themself a disservice if they didn’t offer an entry-level phone that is departed from the more expensive, larger iPhones, and for those who maybe are more budget conscious in terms of wanting a device that’s not overly large, this device meets the basic requirements with five years of iOS support easily for those that can still be part of Apple‘s ecosystem.

Your argument, is a ‘small screen and iOS is dated’, which doesn’t hinder the selling of a phone like this for those who specifically aren’t concerned with a small screen, and certainly not ‘iOS’s dated home screen.’
Once the 12 mini drops in price later this year, the argument on smaller phone on a budget for the SE will be moot, as the 12 mini is physically smaller while maintaining a larger screen.

The iPhone SE has specific targets:
- those who must have TouchID
- those who suffers from PWM on OLED screens, especially when the 11 is discontinued
- those who are using iPhone 6/6s/7 and need a similar phone
- those who simply want the cheapest iPhone

The SE is not small. The screen is small, but the body is as big as the iPhone X/11 Pro.
 
If Apple wanted a $430 phone in the lineup and wanted to sell it on price rather than familiarity, why wouldn't they have kept the XR or something similar value-engineered instead of sticking a brand-new CPU in an 8-year-old, outdated form factor?

I'm not an advertising expert, but it's not like Apple's going to say "Are you old and hate new things? Does the thought of learning to swipe instead of that comforting button make you upset? Are you fine with your 6-year-old cracked-screen phone, but it stopped working and you just want another one just like it? Do we have the device for you!" They'll just say "Hey, it's affordable. You're a smart shopper who likes good deals, we've got just the device for you!"

Yes, there are probably a handful of people who would rather spend $430 for a 3rd generation SE than $500 for a new 11, $400 for a used 11, way less for a refurb XR, or anywhere in that range for a new Android phone. But I know zero people who would the SE form factor over one of the alternatives just based on price, and two (both seniors) off the top of my head who would actively prefer an iPhone 6-alike and don't want something most people consider "better".

Because it’s less expensive to use A15 in SE3 for computation photography than putting in a physically better camera sensor and lens.

iPhone XR is relatively expensive to build. Notch cut reduces LCD yield. TrueDepth camera system is expensive.

Hardly anyone is buying SE because of nostalgia or love for the Home button. If you listen to Apple quarterly reporting conference calls, Apple says the people buying SE are switchers from Android. In other words, they are price sensitive buyers who are entering because of price.
 
I would argue that the budget consumer cares much more about a larger screen than about the latest chip.

Perhaps in the future once Apple releases an SE with the design of the XR, then it would be a much more interesting comparison.
But that's just it - Apple DON'T WANT you to buy an SE.

If you want something that looks cool, new, and sexy, Apple wants you to buy one of their flagship iPhones.

If they make the SE too attractive, they'll cannibalize the sales of their high end phones.

Like it or not, this is all by design.
 
One of the biggest factors in budget devices is for them to not look budget, and let's be honest SE fails here. It was really in for a redesign this year, and lack of it makes it a phone for a narrow niche.
... based on what, exactly?

In designing the SE, Apple needed to walk a tightrope between creating an attractive phone for budget consumers and not cannibalizing flagship iPhone sales.

Almost all comments here criticizing the SE design seem to want a cool phone for cheap.

But guess what? That's the LAST thing Apple wants to do.
 
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I'm typing on my Samsung Galaxy A53, it's a really solid phone for the price, and it came with the Galaxy Buds Live for FREE as part of a pre-order deal! Battery life is awesome, lasts me about a day and a half. Camera is good. Love the Samsung Pay feature. ?

If this doesn't read like a Samsung Influencer piece, I don't know what does.

Samsung can do no wrong, eh brother?
 
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The iPhone SE 128GB (2022) compared to the Galaxy A53 5G is the smartphone of the poor relation. But the poor relation smartphone costs $ 130 more than the A53 in the US ($ 479 vs. $ 349) and € 213 more in Italy (€ 579 vs. € 366). Tim Cook's Apple still milks poor relatives.
 
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