That's the whole point. Keep the cheapest model with outdated body so people looking at it would be more inclined to spend more money and get something that looks more modern. The same with the basic iPad.
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Budget Phone Comparison: Apple's iPhone SE vs. Samsung's Galaxy A53 5G
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Well thats not going to happen. I do agree that 5G makes storage less of a concern.
If you had not noticed the 12 mini is still selling on the Apple Website @ $599
The cameras have already shown to be better than its nearest Android equivalent from its closest competitor, despite there only being one vs three. And speed is twice as fast as Googles own offerings.
In Fact the ONLY thing dated on the SE is the screen size, and actually having touch ID (which many prefer).
I paid for 3 items by accident last week on my wifes 12 with FaceID! My Phone requires touch ID to confirm if you want to pay. But instead, Boom - Payment made.
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So one throws out the A53 after one year, or two years?
I am typing this from a four year old iPhone 8 which has a battery life over LTE of around three hours. This is after a fresh battery install from Apple Genius Bar. I asked support why battery life is not even close to as before, and they told me that iOS updates are causing more drain.
I'm a budget conscious consumer and use the iPhone SE. What I care most about is potential device longevity, particularly with respect to security updates. This is the main reason I use an iPhone SE over similarly priced Android options, even though from a functionality perspective I'd probably rather use an Android phone.
The SE is selling poorly. That's the reason why Apple slashed production by millions of units. They had to increase production of 13 to keep up with demand. Nobody wants the lackluster SE
That's my point. The slashed SE production and increased production of the 13 to keep up with the demand. The lackluster SE isn't selling.
You're absolutely right about one thing, you don't have to take my word for it. (I did say that, didn't I?) The article I linked previously (which I presume you read, right? Right? Bueller?) was written by Ron Amadeo; he is Ars Technica's Android tech writer/specialist. He's about as knowledgeable on Android as they come, and yet so many of his article credits could leave you with the impression that he is an Android hater rather than than an Android fan. I've been reading Ron's articles for years, and while he clearly does his best to stick by his platform at the end of the day, he has nonetheless left me with the impression that the more you actually know about Android, the harder it is to be a dyed-in-the-wool fanboy.
So sure; the writing here at MacRumors, a very obviously pro-Apple website, starts off from a clear and unhidden bias. Duh! Nobody is going to argue with you over that. But when even the Android brainiacs like Ron are unenthusiastic, it seems to me there are some problems that need solving.
Or nostalgic! I don't mind thick bezels and I'll gladly trade the screen for the Apple ecosystem.
It's not wise to be a fanboy or fangirl to any platform. You choose what works best for you. I have never owned an iPhone while I own many Apple products including iPad's and Mac's since 2002. Heck my first Mac was a Snow iMac that came with OS9 and the first version of OS X.
I think Apple builds really slick phones but I haven't purchased one because Android works best for me. I prefer Google's core apps over Apple's core apps. The two standout features on Android that has me hooked is Google Assistant, sorry Apple you were the first but its no contest. GA is miles better than Siri. Google Assistant also has a feature Apple has yet to put on their phones and that is a "Call Screener". My Robocalls which prior to GA was around 250-300 per month. Now it's maybe 1-2 per month. I am not a fanboy to Google either but buy and use what works best for me and for the last 10-12 yrs it's been Google.
I have Android and iPhones with Google core apps on both. IMO Samsung has the better hardware and IOS the better software mainly due to their timely updates.
With that being said, Apple fanboys are just different. They'll defend a lackluster product due to blindness. There are great/good iphones and smartphones. The SE is not one of them.
I keep seeing people saying this, (and not to lean either way as I use both iOS and Android for my job as a developer) The A53 will receive 4 years of OS updates (Android 16) and at least 5 years of monthly security updates. Samsung has made great progress in making sure that their phones get access to the latest security and features in the last few years. Sure it isn't quite as long as Apple support, but it's perfectly acceptable. Most people that I know don't keep phones 4 or 5 years anyways.
Just for the record, that's not true of all of us: Rewind back to page 1 of this thread, and you'll find that I'm by no means defending the SE -- rather, more like the opposite. Read other comments on that page, and you'll find I'm not alone -- and I'm quite confident that those aren't just a bunch of Android fans chiming in. But as you can see by my sig, I am absolutely a long-time Apple fanboy; I have been using Mac computers since before they unified the version numbers of the System and the Finder at 6.x, (if you know that reference from first-hand experience, you might be an old-timer) and while I recognize that both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses, I still prefer macOS over Windows. (They used to call us "MacHeads" back in the days before the iPhone was a thing.) And I would of course say much the same of iOS vs Android.
True fans of a thing are often the most highly critical complainers about the worst parts of that thing, (I mean, the "hockey puck" mouse, Apple? What on earth were you thinking?) even as they praise most everything else about that thing. The "Nitpicker's Guide" series of books is an interesting and entertaining example of that phenomenon, within another fandom. The conundrum I was referring to up above is: it seems to me that the most knowledgeable and authoritative "Android fans" struggle to find things to genuinely praise.
What most perplexes me though, is: why do so many unabashed Android fans insist on joining in the conversation on an obviously Apple-centric forum? Are they somehow convinced that they're going to show us "the error of our ways" or something? ?
I am a fan of both. I own a S22 Ultra and a 13 Pro Max. With that being said, I am just calling the SE what it is...lackluster. There are plenty of options way better than the SE from both Apple and Android OEMs. Other than the A15, the specs of the SE are pathetic in 2022. Calling it lackluster is being generous. Lackluster screen, Lackluster camera, lack luster battery life etc....the list goes on.
Most people I know don't keep phones that long either I usually get a new flagship phone every year. No longer than 2 years at the most. Having an iphone just to say that you have an iPhone is stupid if you ask me. If you can't get a phone with respectable hardware, what's the point. LCD,720P and single camera in 2022 is not acceptable. You might as well have a Motorola flip phone.
You’re joking, right?
The majority of customers don’t care if their phone is LCD or OLED, 720P or 4K, they do not care.
Also, most people do not upgrade their phone as frequently as before.
The 2-Year Mobile Phone Upgrade Cycle Is Mostly Dead
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You must be a troll, lol. The SE 2020 outsold every Galaxy flagship device in the year of its release. It outsold the iPhone 13 Pro Max…
Because the SE 2022 will blow every new flagship device out of the water in performance. With the A15 chip there’s no comparison with anything Android or anyone else will manufacture. The SE 2020 also outperformed all the flagship devices of competitors that year, if I recall correctly. They did plenty of speed tests…
20% is not a huge number, thats still around 12m unit being produced after the "slash", and thats only INITIAL orders.
The iPhone Mini's orders were "slashed" similarly on release.
I'd guess during its lifetime they'll sell upward of 30m SE3's. Thats hardly a failure.
Heck, the SE3 is still not even available in some of the markets where its probably going to do extremely well.