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He is the primary one working on it. I'm doing my research and asked here before I got in (we were damn close to partnering on this deal). Also, something you don't know: he's opening up a store in the mall, not electronics based but he's headed for the conglomerate approach. Retail store that sells junk food well over retail price. No idea where he's getting the money from to afford $3000 a month in rent. He got the idea from a short tern friend whom created a bond and the same business and shows immense profits (the guy is loaded). To name one, a record deal.

Brilliant!

This thread just gets better and better. Pure gold. I'm loving every post. Squilly you are the gift that keeps on giving.
 
Squilly, who actually paid Apple for these items. Have you got confirmation that the payment has actually been made? I would expect that for this volume of product payment would be by post-paid invoice. So who is actually on the hook here? I would expect those that the items were delivered to...
 
Yeah, that's what I meant. :p

Alright, now that we've agreed upon the proper term for these adapters, let me revisit your earlier statement:

The cost of the 220v plug adapters are under $1 each, he says (bought in bulk, around 2500 of them).

Who says? Your brother? He paid for these adapters? Already? I thought you said there was no up-front costs?
 
Squilly, who actually paid Apple for these items. Have you got confirmation that the payment has actually been made? I would expect that for this volume of product payment would be by post-paid invoice. So who is actually on the hook here? I would expect those that the items were delivered to...
I'm not sure if they're paid for yet as I don't have access to the account, I can only go off of hearsay. They're still in the US now, going to Poland whenever the time comes.

Alright, now that we've agreed upon the proper term for these adapters, let me revisit your earlier statement:



Who says? Your brother? He paid for these adapters? Already? I thought you said there was no up-front costs?

He has them picked out. Paid with the funds in the PFCU bank account.
 
I'm not sure if they're paid for yet as I don't have access to the account, I can only go off of hearsay. They're still in the US now, going to Poland whenever the time comes.

Yes, this is what I'd worry about: the reseller will invoice with, say, 30 days to pay. The shipment goes to Poland within this. Then the invoice does not get paid. The delivery addressees signed for the shipments and get sued.
 
App: this one is close to happening but not there yet. I have a developer ready to do it and is just waiting on payment. He's done the EXACT app before, known as Feature Points, and would use the script when he built theirs to build mine. The idea is monetary based where users download apps from sponsors which artificially puts them up on top charts in the App Store (disallowed by Apple but there's a way around this). I then get paid, per install, by the sponsor (say Angry Birds) of $.25 or $.50 because I've helped them artificially become popular on the App Store/Play Store. It would be on both. $900 includes the site, Play Store app, and iOS app. If marketing is done right, it could be wildly successful. The problem: it's been out for two or so years already so the empires are already making their profits - Feature Points and Free My Apps are the largest of these.

By the way: there is no Feature Points or Free My Apps apps on the App Store. They simply redirect you to a website. (Screenshots from Feature Points below). And why don't they have apps on the App Store but do on Google Play? I would say: because Apple doesn't allow such apps.

So, don't go paying for an app which will never get approved.
 

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I'm not sure if they're paid for yet as I don't have access to the account, I can only go off of hearsay. They're still in the US now, going to Poland whenever the time comes.



He has them picked out. Paid with the funds in the PFCU bank account.

Are you capable of precisely and clearly explaining everything that has happened and is expected to happen, including everything the Poles have told your brother.

In chronological order.

Please limit yourself to what is fact. Exclude anything you are merely taking as fact. Admittedly I don't think you can tell the difference.
 
By the way: there is no Feature Points or Free My Apps apps on the App Store. They simply redirect you to a website. (Screenshots from Feature Points below). And why don't they have apps on the App Store but do on Google Play? I would say: because Apple doesn't allow such apps.

So, don't go paying for an app which will never get approved.

That's what I'm talking about, also the only way to download it and still be optimized to work with iPhone. It's on the Play Store since it isn't against their policy to artificially "bump" popularity.

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Are you capable of precisely and clearly explaining everything that has happened and is expected to happen, including everything the Poles have told your brother.

In chronological order.

Please limit yourself to what is fact. Exclude anything you are merely taking as fact. Admittedly I don't think you can tell the difference.

It's hard to say since I'm not going off of any fact. Just hearsay, like I said. Insult? :(
 
Still, who's to say the money is invalid? Maybe there's slighter profit or they're just trying to do my brother a favor whilst getting their business stocked.
If they were doing your brother a favor, they wouldn't be paying him $20K for a few hours of work. The $20K is to lure him into a bad deal. Ordering this stuff and setting up the UPS shipments and such was, what, a couple of hours of work at most? And the guys from Poland are apparently thinking "hey, there's an 18-year-old guy in the US that one of our friends knows from when he was a security guard at a high school - let's pay that 18 year old $20K to do that for us instead of paying him a few hundred dollars to do a few hours of work, because we'd much rather some American kid have the money than us... that's how we became such good businessmen! I mean, that makes soooo much more sense than just having the security guy do it for us."
 
If they were doing your brother a favor, they wouldn't be paying him $20K for a few hours of work. The $20K is to lure him into a bad deal. Ordering this stuff and setting up the UPS shipments and such was, what, a couple of hours of work at most? And the guys from Poland are apparently thinking "hey, there's an 18-year-old guy in the US that one of our friends knows from when he was a security guard at a high school - let's pay that 18 year old $20K to do that for us instead of paying him a few hundred dollars to do a few hours of work, because we'd much rather some American kid have the money than us... that's how we became such good businessmen! I mean, that makes soooo much more sense than just having the security guy do it for us."

Difference is, they don't have US Apple licenses.
 
Difference is, they don't have US Apple licenses.
And your opinion is that, as businessmen, they feel that $20K is the least they could offer for your brother to do a few hours of work for them? Really? It doesn't seem... disproportionate to his efforts as well as a huge chunk of their profits even if you do the math in a way that suggests there is any profit at all for them (if it's legitimate, which a few of us think that - just maybe - it isn't)?
 
Do you still think you're getting an iOS app included in that $900?

Okay then. It's more of a mobile app optimized for iOS devices (a provisioning profile still needs to be installed on the device before it could be used). There's a regular site, mobile site optimized for iPhone, and Play Store app.

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And your opinion is that, as businessmen, they feel that $20K is the least they could offer for your brother to do a few hours of work for them? Really? It doesn't seem... disproportionate to his efforts as well as a huge chunk of their profits even if you do the math in a way that suggests there is any profit at all for them (if it's legitimate, which a few of us think that - just maybe - it isn't)?

It's much more than a few hours. Maybe it's being drawn out a lot but it's tens of hours, I can't count. That's what he tells me.
 
Why would a web app need a provisioning profile?

So the system can't be abused. It just attaches the UDID of the device to link to the app to see what you've downloaded, give you points to redeem for $, and keep track of your points.
 
It's much more than a few hours. Maybe it's being drawn out a lot but it's tens of hours, I can't count. That's what he tells me.
Apply my same question about paying $20K for "tens of hours" instead of a couple, then.
 
Yes, this is what I'd worry about: the reseller will invoice with, say, 30 days to pay. The shipment goes to Poland within this. Then the invoice does not get paid. The delivery addressees signed for the shipments and get sued.

Squilly, did you even read this? robbieduncan could not have made it any more clearer.

This is how the scam works. Your brother is the end of the paper trail. He's the one who gets sued for the cost of the pallets of Apple products when Apple or their distributor doesn't get paid. The Poles get tens of thousands of dollars of Apple products for free.

Do you not get it? It's not difficult to understand. Your brother is their patsy.
 
I simply don't see $160K (-$20K = $140K?) worth of Apple product leaving Apple on pallets, delivered to three different addresses, in three different states, signed for by an 18 year old with the business sense of a turnip, on any kind of terms other than PAID IN FULL, FOB wherever it left from.

With the proliferation of Apple stores, getting a dealer "license" is practically not even possible anymore. Apple specialist, a VAR like reseller channel, and they have pretty specific limits on what they can and can't sell.

No insult.

Just that this whole story has more holes in it than the backstop at a shooting range.

Accounts can be floated with stolen funds, faked cashiers checks, and you said that someone at the institution could not find the account, perhaps because there are 15 partners in Poland, and who knows who's name it's really under?

These, and many more, are very simple specifics that I would have figured out -before- I even lifted a finger to look at a list of products to order.

Exactly WHO am I dealing with?

Scamalamadingdong.
 
Squilly, did you even read this? robbieduncan could not have made it any more clearer.

This is how the scam works. Your brother is the end of the paper trail. He's the one who gets sued for the cost of the pallets of Apple products when Apple or their distributor doesn't get paid. The Poles get tens of thousands of dollars of Apple products for free.

Do you not get it? It's not difficult to understand. Your brother is their patsy.

On the other hand, it could be money laundering that's going on, and paying off Squilly's brother is just part of the cost of turning dirty money into clean cash.

....Your brother is their patsy.

or maybe the Poles will find themselves sitting around wondering why their 8 pallets haven't shown up ......and where's the $160,000 that's gone missing too? :p
 
Squilly, did you even read this? robbieduncan could not have made it any more clearer.

This is how the scam works. Your brother is the end of the paper trail. He's the one who gets sued for the cost of the pallets of Apple products when Apple or their distributor doesn't get paid. The Poles get tens of thousands of dollars of Apple products for free.

Do you not get it? It's not difficult to understand. Your brother is their patsy.

I'm pretty sure they were already paid for though. Apple wouldn't just release product without getting paid, would they?

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I simply don't see $160K (-$20K = $140K?) worth of Apple product leaving Apple on pallets, delivered to three different addresses, in three different states, signed for by an 18 year old with the business sense of a turnip, on any kind of terms other than PAID IN FULL, FOB wherever it left from.

With the proliferation of Apple stores, getting a dealer "license" is practically not even possible anymore. Apple specialist, a VAR like reseller channel, and they have pretty specific limits on what they can and can't sell.

No insult.

Just that this whole story has more holes in it than the backstop at a shooting range.

Accounts can be floated with stolen funds, faked cashiers checks, and you said that someone at the institution could not find the account, perhaps because there are 15 partners in Poland, and who knows who's name it's really under?

These, and many more, are very simple specifics that I would have figured out -before- I even lifted a finger to look at a list of products to order.

Exactly WHO am I dealing with?

Scamalamadingdong.

My brother isn't a dealer of Apple directly, he deals with a dealer of Apple, if that makes sense, known as Apumac. They're the dealer of Apple.

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After reading this whole thread today and thinking about it a bit, I call foul.

This is a made up story to get attention.

I wouldn't make up such an elaborate scheme. I couldn't either, my imagination isn't that great.
 
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