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Buyer Beware: Retina MBP Burn-In Extraordinaire
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First, this is ghosting or image retention, not burn in.
Second, it is common in IPS panels. If you aren't seeing it in yours, you probably aren't looking at it in the right way.
If you notice from the OPs link, the person had to have a specific color background to see it and even then it's very faint. Same as others who posted in the Apple Forum's thread on this issue.
Some other IPS panels with people complaining of ghosting/IR:
Lenovo X220 with IPS
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/X-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/Faint-Ghosting-on-X220-IPS-screen/td-p/435201
Dell support explaining that their IPS has IR
http://support.dell.com/support/top...47619677D4FB68B98B29&isLegacy=true&doclang=sv
Article claiming cheap IPS panels experience it:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/3-reasons-shouldnt-buy-cheap-ips-monitor/
Also for the person speaking about breaking in panels to avoid burn in: Old wives tales. Plasmas don't have a burn in period. You'll find people who say they did X thing and never had an issue and you'll find people who did nothing and never had an issue. Then people who did Y thing but still had issues and people who did nothing and still had issues. It is how you treat your TV and the luck of the QC draw.
Second, it is common in IPS panels. If you aren't seeing it in yours, you probably aren't looking at it in the right way.
If you notice from the OPs link, the person had to have a specific color background to see it and even then it's very faint. Same as others who posted in the Apple Forum's thread on this issue.
Some other IPS panels with people complaining of ghosting/IR:
Lenovo X220 with IPS
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/X-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/Faint-Ghosting-on-X220-IPS-screen/td-p/435201
Dell support explaining that their IPS has IR
http://support.dell.com/support/top...47619677D4FB68B98B29&isLegacy=true&doclang=sv
Article claiming cheap IPS panels experience it:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/3-reasons-shouldnt-buy-cheap-ips-monitor/
Also for the person speaking about breaking in panels to avoid burn in: Old wives tales. Plasmas don't have a burn in period. You'll find people who say they did X thing and never had an issue and you'll find people who did nothing and never had an issue. Then people who did Y thing but still had issues and people who did nothing and still had issues. It is how you treat your TV and the luck of the QC draw.
re: burn in
The retina display is new technology.
I think it is best to purchase the macbook pro with retina display with a credit card that offers buyers protection and extends the one year warranty. Maybe, the credit card company will offer replacement if the device is deemed defective and the apple care doesn't cover it
The retina display is new technology.
I think it is best to purchase the macbook pro with retina display with a credit card that offers buyers protection and extends the one year warranty. Maybe, the credit card company will offer replacement if the device is deemed defective and the apple care doesn't cover it
The dell support link states that is happens if you leave it up for hours lol. I was willing to put up with the slightly laggy scrolling in hopes for a fix...now that I have seen this, I am going to keep looking at it ha ha. Darn you people.
It is NOT a defect!
I remember i read somewhere on the apple.com support pages this may happen in the beginning, it will eventually go away after some use.
Its similar to the scanners that need to warm up everytime you start them, but in case of IPS displays its once in a lifetime.
Im 100% confident about my words
I remember i read somewhere on the apple.com support pages this may happen in the beginning, it will eventually go away after some use.
Its similar to the scanners that need to warm up everytime you start them, but in case of IPS displays its once in a lifetime.
Im 100% confident about my words
This is most certainly NOT common in IPS panels, unless you're referring to low-quality IPS panels.
I own three U2410's and one display that has the same panel as the 27" Thunberbolt Display. None exhibit this behavior.
And while it may be true that a solid colors accentuate the visibility of the burn in, it is still there regardless of the background color. Faint is a silly descriptor, since this is in fact ghosting - and the it would be faint. The problem is the existence of such images.
It looks like that's image ghosting, not burn in.
It happens on LCD displays, and is temporary, but ghosting that bad is usually not considered normal behavior.
http://www.madebymark.com/madebymark/2009/2/25/how-to-fix-lcd-monitor-ghost-images.html
It happens on LCD displays, and is temporary, but ghosting that bad is usually not considered normal behavior.
http://www.madebymark.com/madebymark/2009/2/25/how-to-fix-lcd-monitor-ghost-images.html
I'd like to know if there are different screen models/manufacturers that could be the cause of the issue. Anyone mind running this and confirming if you are/are not seeing any sign of burn-in?
Should return two lines to do with the LCD's Model
Thanks!
Code:
ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6Should return two lines to do with the LCD's Model
Thanks!
The level of imbecility in your posts is downright scary.
So basically your entire line of argumentation is: "if you complain that you suffer from screen lag or screen ghosting in a $3000 laptop, then the rMBP wasn't designed for you"...
Do you not truly realize how utterly retarded you sound?The level of imbecility in your posts is downright scary.
So basically your entire line of argumentation is: "if you complain that you suffer from screen lag or screen ghosting in a $3000 laptop, then the rMBP wasn't designed for you"...
If you complain about design decisions made by the Apple team when they made the MBP Retina, then it wasn't designed for you. I suggest you go spend your money elsewhere, and yes, Dell and HP are good alternatives.
For example, suppose someone complains about not being able to play Diablo 3 on the latest Macbook Air. Well, the Macbook Air wasn't built to play Diablo 3. It wasn't designed for this person.
Similarly, if you complain about errors on Facebook, text scrolling, and image quality, then clearly the MBP Retina wasn't designed for you. It was designed for power users like me and a few others on this forum (jcpb, ixodes, etc.)
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Dude, stop that crap and THINK! There's is nothing "power-user-like" in spending $3k in a laptop that scrolls worse than a $1k MBA. Dont you get it? a power user's machine should have BETTER scrolling performance, not WORSE!
No one is complaining about "design decisions made by Apple". We're complaining about the poor scrolling performance. Don't you get it already?
The scrolling lag is gone in Mountain Lion. It was a software problem that they have obviously fixed. For christ sake, this issue is as dead as the burn-in issue.
The OP said a few times that he wasn't trying to cause alarm. Which is funny given the topic of the thread starts with "Buyer Beware...". And he goes on to say that screen savers will be back with retina displays. Lmao. Yeah, ok.
How many rMBP buyers have the "ghost" image issue?
Just aware of news regarding the "ghost" or "burn-in?" image on my rMBP from http://macperformanceguide.com/.
I have the same issue on the new rMBP, either. As you can tell from attached images.
Left side is the test image and right side is the ghost image.
Here is my steps to re-produce this issue. Just follow the instruction given by macperformanceguide.com.
• Change Desktop Picture to Dark Gray
• Putting a static image or web page at least 20 mins without moving.
• Then, click Cmd-H to hide the window to see if there is any ghost image left on the screen.
Just aware of news regarding the "ghost" or "burn-in?" image on my rMBP from http://macperformanceguide.com/.
I have the same issue on the new rMBP, either. As you can tell from attached images.
Left side is the test image and right side is the ghost image.
Here is my steps to re-produce this issue. Just follow the instruction given by macperformanceguide.com.
• Change Desktop Picture to Dark Gray
• Putting a static image or web page at least 20 mins without moving.
• Then, click Cmd-H to hide the window to see if there is any ghost image left on the screen.
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i was BB this morning and the rMBP had some pretty bad ghosting on it. I was talking to the BB employee about it and he said it seems to be getting worse.
I know that the BB machines are pretty static and on all day long but you have to wonder if long term use will cause problems for everyone.
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I know that the BB machines are pretty static and on all day long but you have to wonder if long term use will cause problems for everyone.
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If I switch desktop to another one, it seems gone. However, once I switch back to original destop, the ghost image is still there.
So can anyone tell if it belongs to software or hardware issue? Thanks.
That's not hardware ghosting then. That's something completely software-related.
I don't know if any rMBP owner would be willing go try this but I would like to test the following:
1. Leave the rMBP on a static image for 2 hours, then 4, and then 8 to see if the ghosting gets worse over time?
2. If you have a ghosting image, could you use one of the bad pixel video (the ones that cycle different solid-colored images very fast) over the ghosting image to see if it removes it?
I understand why CRT monitors suffer burn-in but the rMBP is surprising.
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1. Leave the rMBP on a static image for 2 hours, then 4, and then 8 to see if the ghosting gets worse over time?
2. If you have a ghosting image, could you use one of the bad pixel video (the ones that cycle different solid-colored images very fast) over the ghosting image to see if it removes it?
I understand why CRT monitors suffer burn-in but the rMBP is surprising.
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It is truly confusing me if this issue is software-related
How come I have to wait at least 20 mins to produce it?
Seems hArdware related although software can help lesson the issue. 20 minutes... Well it could take shorter, it's just what the recommend.