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Buyer Beware: Retina MBP Burn-In Extraordinaire

eeptman said:
It is truly confusing me… if this issue is software-related…

How come I have to wait at least 20 mins to produce it? :confused:
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If it were hardware related it wouldnt disappear as you move from desktop to desktop. Do you have another monitor you could connect to the Retina? I'd be interested to know if that burned image appears on it.
 
CapnJackGig said:
If it were hardware related it wouldnt disappear as you move from desktop to desktop. Do you have another monitor you could connect to the Retina? I'd be interested to know if that burned image appears on it.
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Sorry, I don't have additional display to do that.
But you are right. That's why I am so confused right now.

Just reset the machine this morning. I probably will return this machine first before the 14-Days policy expired.

If anyone have further information, please share your result with us. I would sincerely appreciated it because I love the Retina Display after all. Can't wait to meet it again. Thanks.
 
Pentad said:
i was BB this morning and the rMBP had some pretty bad ghosting on it. I was talking to the BB employee about it and he said it seems to be getting worse.

I know that the BB machines are pretty static and on all day long but you have to wonder if long term use will cause problems for everyone.

-P
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After reading this I saw the exact same thing at Apple store - All 3 rMBPs I looked at had burn in of the dock when I set it to hide and changed the wallpaper to the grey solid color option in display settings.

I saw this on my first-gen iPad too but it faded pretty quickly.
 
CapnJackGig said:
If it were hardware related it wouldnt disappear as you move from desktop to desktop. Do you have another monitor you could connect to the Retina? I'd be interested to know if that burned image appears on it.
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honestly I think it's behaving like old plasma tvs did. burn in would occur quite quickly, last longer as the image sat, BUT if you would move the image in such a fashion that it would get washed out (playing a movie would do this) the burn in would go away. unless it sat on one image for an extended period of time.

that's why I say it's a hardware issue.
 
heimbachae said:
honestly I think it's behaving like old plasma tvs did. burn in would occur quite quickly, last longer as the image sat, BUT if you would move the image in such a fashion that it would get washed out (playing a movie would do this) the burn in would go away. unless it sat on one image for an extended period of time.

that's why I say it's a hardware issue.
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Yup, this sounds similar to plasma burn-in. The real question is whether the retained image at some point becomes permanent or if it can always be "erased." There's a pretty high likelihood that the menu bar and the dock would be easily burned in, but if the burn-in can be erased by running a screen saver or something for a little while, then I don't see this as a big issue.
 
bogatyr said:
Also for the person speaking about breaking in panels to avoid burn in: Old wives tales.
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From personal experience, if you do a proper plasma burn-in, it does reduce susceptibility to permanent burn-in. Ghosting still occurs, but it fades more quickly and severity is reduced.
 
eeptman said:
Sorry, I don't have additional display to do that.
But you are right. That's why I am so confused right now.
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Make both desktops dark grey. Wait until retention shows up on one, then switch to the other desktop. It's probably going to be there.

Yeah, this sounds like every single rmbp screen will be affected by this. It's also something you'd probably never notice unless you have flat color wallpapers.
 
Image persistance and burn in are two totally differing issues, one is permanent, the other is transient. If you are looking at the cutting edge of technology there is always a risk, Apple have once again delivered a "Game Changer" there is no comparable alternatives if you want to play safe simply opt for the non Retina MBP, it is still an extremely capable machine offering tremendous performance in a very reasonable form factor

The rMBP is literally pushing all the boundaries, software will develop and hardware will improve, equally at this level you have to be aware that everything wont be perfect regardless of cost, it`s not a question of Retina being ready for the market, the point is are you ready for Retina, if the answer is no just wait a couple of years. The technology will mature and assured to meet your expectations, then again you are going to miss out on being part of the party.

I rarely early adopt, the rMBP is an exception, as much a game changer as the hard drive, was to the floppy...
 
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Queen6 said:
The rMBP is literally pushing all the boundaries, software will develop and hardware will improve, equally at this level you have to be aware that everything wont be perfect regardless of cost, it`s not a question of Retina being ready for the market, the point is are you ready for Retina, if the answer is no just wait a couple of years. The technology will mature and assured to meet your expectations, then again you are going to miss out on being part of the party.
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The reason it's so bad is cause it's so good?

This is another mindset, seen frequently around here, that I don't understand. That idea that buying new technology, even before it's ripe, somehow helps nudge mankind yet another step on the evolutionary ladder. That with our own individual struggles to embrace a pioneer technology, we're paving the way for the millions that will come after us.

It's like if the monkeys NASA sent into space in the 50s had had Twitter, this is what they would talk about.
 
After about twenty minutes, I managed to burn the Google logo into my screen. It faded in about a minute or so. The strange thing is that my desktop icons are not burned into the screen despite also being visible the entire time.
 
duckrabbit said:
After about twenty minutes, I managed to burn the Google logo into my screen. It faded in about a minute or so. The strange thing is that my desktop icons are not burned into the screen despite also being visible the entire time.
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Its because that specific areas that the icons cover have been throught it for enough time for that area to 'mature'
Try repositioning icons or zooming them to see the effect again.
Thats what i said previously, once every area of the screen has been though it for enough time, it will go. Best thing to make it go faster is to play full screen videos!
 
duckrabbit said:
After about twenty minutes, I managed to burn the Google logo into my screen. It faded in about a minute or so. The strange thing is that my desktop icons are not burned into the screen despite also being visible the entire time.
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Sounds like a non issue.. Just IR.

Let's hope so... I got 2 more weeks of waiting to find out
 
This is pretty normal on LCD/ Plasma monitors. 20mins seems like a really short period of time though. After a couple of hours using a high resolution LCD monitor at work i will sometimes get ghosting. Maybe apple needs to address the issue or the RMBP need to have some break in time. :rolleyes::apple:
 
Mattgfx said:
This is pretty normal on LCD/ Plasma monitors. 20mins seems like a really short period of time though. After a couple of hours using a high resolution LCD monitor at work i will sometimes get ghosting. Maybe apple needs to address the issue or the RMBP need to have some break in time. :rolleyes::apple:
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Weird, because I've never had a ghosting problem with any of my earlier Apple displays.
 
KohPhiPhi said:
Dude, stop that crap and THINK! There's is nothing "power-user-like" in spending $3k in a laptop that scrolls worse than a $1k MBA. Dont you get it? a power user's machine should have BETTER scrolling performance, not WORSE!
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If a 1.7GHz dual IB-equipped MBA can scroll Facebook at 1366 x 768 without lag whatsoever, why is a 2.6GHz quad IB-equipped MBPR stuttering trying to handle the same site at 2880 x 1800?

What a bunch of nonsense. They're not the same things. There is nothing in the market remotely comparable to the MBPR right now. It's like saying a $300 ICS featurephone doesn't lag while a $599 720p ICS smartphone lags.
yth said:
If you complain about design decisions made by the Apple team when they made the MBP Retina, then it wasn't designed for you. I suggest you go spend your money elsewhere, and yes, Dell and HP are good alternatives.

For example, suppose someone complains about not being able to play Diablo 3 on the latest Macbook Air. Well, the Macbook Air wasn't built to play Diablo 3. It wasn't designed for this person.

Similarly, if you complain about errors on Facebook, text scrolling, and image quality, then clearly the MBP Retina wasn't designed for you. It was designed for power users like me and a few others on this forum
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Leave me out of your arguments.
 
This issue is no different than it is on any other LCD or plasma monitor. It is nothing that won't go away or harm the monitor in any way (unless it is indeed a faulty display). It may be that the lack of the cover glass on the rMBP makes it more noticeable.

Far more likely is that the $3,000 price tag is causing people to be extremely hysterical and over examine every minute detail, and finding things that always existed but they never noticed before. Relax guys.
 
The "Dude";15123290 said:
This issue is no different than it is on any other LCD or plasma monitor. It is nothing that won't go away or harm the monitor in any way (unless it is indeed a faulty display). It may be that the lack of the cover glass on the rMBP makes it more noticeable.

Far more likely is that the $3,000 price tag is causing people to be extremely hysterical and over examine every minute detail, and finding things that always existed but they never noticed before. Relax guys.
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I've never had anything like what these guys are showing on their screens. I'm not saying it can't happen, but to say it's normal is a stretch.

To call folks "hysterical" when the main feature of their new machine turns out to have unexpected problems is an even bigger stretch.
 
The "Dude";15123290 said:
Far more likely is that the $3,000 price tag is causing people to be extremely hysterical and over examine every minute detail, and finding things that always existed but they never noticed before. Relax guys.
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Yeah, that must be it... Hysterical Mac buyers looking for minuscule flaws in their rMBP displays. :rolleyes:

I am sure that I would have noticed that amount of burn-in if it existed on my other Macs.
 
eba said:
I've never had anything like what these guys are showing on their screens. I'm not saying it can't happen, but to say it's normal is a stretch.

To call folks "hysterical" when the main feature of their new machine turns out to have unexpected problems is an even bigger stretch.
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I think the bigger stretch would be to assume that a company as well respected and detail oriented as Apple would release a display that is as susceptible to ghosting as this thread is leading people to believe. A major issue with a new display technology that somehow, Apple's R&D team, scientists, and field testers failed to notice. Yeah, that makes sense.

Like I said, maybe they do have truly defective displays. In which case they should be replaced. But ghosting has been an issue for decades. It is nothing new to retina display technology.

By the way, people running software to track how many frames per second they get while scrolling Facebook's webpage? Hysterical. Just a lil bit.
 
I have this issue and already initiated an exchange. You can find my experience here (aut0maticdan):

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4034848?start=0&tstart=0

I have a lot of computers and monitors, mostly apple, the only discernible ghosting can be seen on a 2005 23" Cinema Display. None of my ipads, iphones, imacs, macbook pros or macbook airs have ever exhibited much of anything. I still have many of them around and confirmed this.

Even if you compare back to my 2005 Cinema Display, the situation is very different here. That may have some evidence of ghosting after a day of having a terminal up in the same spot. No big deal. I can detect ghosting on my rMBP after 60 seconds of having something over the affected area. If I put the calculator over the spot for five minutes, I can clearly read the buttons/numbers against a dark blue background.

I initiated an exchange a few days ago. I have to wait 3-4 weeks for the exchange, but they let me hang on to the one I have, which is great. In the last few days the problem has become much worse and now covers an area 3x the size it did when I went to the genius bar while also being more sensitive to ghosting.

I'm happy they were so quick to order me up a new one, but if the exchange has anything similar to the problem I am having now, it will be refund time. It is, unfortunately, quite possible this is a wide spread defect which is going mostly unnoticed due to busy backgrounds. Time will tell. Its always a good idea to wait for second gen, if you can.

There is little reason to get too worked up about it. Their support is excellent.
 
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