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The reason it's so bad is cause it's so good?

This is another mindset, seen frequently around here, that I don't understand. That idea that buying new technology, even before it's ripe, somehow helps nudge mankind yet another step on the evolutionary ladder. That with our own individual struggles to embrace a pioneer technology, we're paving the way for the millions that will come after us.

It's like if the monkeys NASA sent into space in the 50s had had Twitter, this is what they would talk about.

The OP can always go for the legacy MBP as I suggested, Apple have often made jumps in technology, with the rMBP the leap is just a litte more than some are comfortable with hence the legacy machine stil being available, maybe this encapsulates what some feel;

"Do you want to sell sugared water for the rest of your life? Or do you want to come with me and change the world?"

Being part of something new and dynamic is always attractive, settling for the known, is certainly the safer bet, yet somehow less exciting, even on a very minor scale.
 
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Yeah, Right...

The "Dude";15123645 said:
I think the bigger stretch would be to assume that a company as well respected and detail oriented as Apple would release a display that is as susceptible to ghosting as this thread is leading people to believe. A major issue with a new display technology that somehow, Apple's R&D team, scientists, and field testers failed to notice. Yeah, that makes sense.

Let's see... what wide-spread hardware problems have escaped all the watchful eyes at Apple?

1. iPhone 4 antenna problem.

2. G4 iBook hinge defect that could damage the display cable inside the hinge.

3. NVIDIA GPU defect in 2008 MacBook Pros.

Those are just the defects that I can recall off the top of my head. (Don't get me started on the serious operating system and firmware glitches that have been released to the general public.)
 
Dude, check out the link I posted above. Could very well be a bad batch of displays slipped past the Q/A guys in China.


Not experiencing any ghosting on mine. If you are, you should definitely have them replace it. But it isn't a systemic problem with the technology or design.
 
The "Dude";15124082 said:
Dude, check out the link I posted above. Could very well be a bad batch of displays slipped past the Q/A guys in China.


Not experiencing any ghosting on mine. If you are, you should definitely have them replace it. But it isn't a systemic problem with the technology or design.

Lets hope so. I guess I'll stop talking about it when I get my perfectly functioning replacement in 2-3 weeks.
 
Weird, because I've never had a ghosting problem with any of my earlier Apple displays.

Were they IPS panels? Because I believe they said this was their first IPS laptop panel...

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3. I own IPS displays including a high-end NEC monitor. I have never seen burn-in on my displays.

I'm pretty surprised by this. I have a 2690WUXi (first generation type), and it's had fairly noticeable image persistance pretty much all along. I was worried about this, so I did some research, and found many people reporting the same thing on many IPS displays. When I got my Retina iPad, I noticed it doing the same thing, and was totally unsurprised.

I guess I don't see why this is such a big deal.

Lenovo's page offering an explanation:
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?DocID=HT051485
 
The "Dude";15124082 said:
Dude, check out the link I posted above. Could very well be a bad batch of displays slipped past the Q/A guys in China.


Not experiencing any ghosting on mine. If you are, you should definitely have them replace it. But it isn't a systemic problem with the technology or design.

Have you actually tested yours for this problem? If not, I recommend setting your display to max brightness, disabling screen dim/sleep, setting your desktop to "Solid Gray Dark," and leaving the machine on Google for 30 minutes. After 30 minutes, hide the browser and see if a shadow of the Google logo is left behind. Personally, I'm not taking mine in until I get confirmation that someone experiencing the problem got a new unit without the issue. It seems like the kind of thing that some people notice and some people don't.
 
Have you actually tested yours for this problem? If not, I recommend setting your display to max brightness, disabling screen dim/sleep, setting your desktop to "Solid Gray Dark," and leaving the machine on Google for 30 minutes. After 30 minutes, hide the browser and see if a shadow of the Google logo is left behind. Personally, I'm not taking mine in until I get confirmation that someone experiencing the problem got a new unit without the issue. It seems like the kind of thing that some people notice and some people don't.

And some people claim that it goes away, that the behavior is part of a break in period....
 
Have you actually tested yours for this problem? If not, I recommend setting your display to max brightness, disabling screen dim/sleep, setting your desktop to "Solid Gray Dark," and leaving the machine on Google for 30 minutes. After 30 minutes, hide the browser and see if a shadow of the Google logo is left behind. Personally, I'm not taking mine in until I get confirmation that someone experiencing the problem got a new unit without the issue. It seems like the kind of thing that some people notice and some people don't.

Just did this test and couldn't see any visible burn in at all.
 
Let's see... what wide-spread hardware problems have escaped all the watchful eyes at Apple?

1. iPhone 4 antenna problem.

2. G4 iBook hinge defect that could damage the display cable inside the hinge.

3. NVIDIA GPU defect in 2008 MacBook Pros.

Those are just the defects that I can recall off the top of my head. (Don't get me started on the serious operating system and firmware glitches that have been released to the general public.)

Imagine if you compiled a list of all Microsofts severe operating glitches? I think you would die of old age before you finished writing it.
 
Thread Starter first time IPS panel use Extraordinaire! Congratz on your purchase of a wonderful screen. :D It's difficult to move back to TN panels now!
 
Let's see... what wide-spread hardware problems have escaped all the watchful eyes at Apple?

1. iPhone 4 antenna problem.

2. G4 iBook hinge defect that could damage the display cable inside the hinge.

3. NVIDIA GPU defect in 2008 MacBook Pros.

Those are just the defects that I can recall off the top of my head. (Don't get me started on the serious operating system and firmware glitches that have been released to the general public.)
4. The 2006 "MooBook", that sounded like a cow copulating.

5. The - very - Early 1st Gen iPod Touch screens that were unusable in the dark because of inverted blacks.

6. That iMac issue a couple of years ago (which got a Gizmodo writer in a flap) where the screens were stained yellow. This one actually got a recall :eek:
 
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Have you actually tested yours for this problem? If not, I recommend setting your display to max brightness, disabling screen dim/sleep, setting your desktop to "Solid Gray Dark," and leaving the machine on Google for 30 minutes. After 30 minutes, hide the browser and see if a shadow of the Google logo is left behind. Personally, I'm not taking mine in until I get confirmation that someone experiencing the problem got a new unit without the issue. It seems like the kind of thing that some people notice and some people don't.
Too sad…

I let my rMBP run the Spectrum screen saver all night and just did the test you mentioned.

The Big Google icon is still left on my screen. Definitely have to return this machine. :mad:

I guess I don't see why this is such a big deal.

Lenovo's page offering an explanation:
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?DocID=HT051485
It's helpful information. Thanks.

I notice that some apps' interfaces, i.e. Safari's toolbar, URL link bar, will simply result persistent images just in few mins. Is this situation actually normal for IPS panels?
 

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Imagine if you compiled a list of all Microsofts severe operating glitches? I think you would die of old age before you finished writing it.

Of course that absolves Apple of responsibility. :rolleyes:

Is that really the best that you can come up with? :confused:

BTW, Apple stumbles again:

Thunderbolt Software Update 1.2.1 Released, Apple Apologizes

"Apple has, with no change in the release notes, released Thunderbolt
Software Update 1.2.1 to add support for the Thunderbolt to Gigabit
Ethernet Adapter. Version 1.2 of the update was notable for causing
boot failures, and although the assumption is that Apple addressed
the problems, we won’t know for sure until reports start to come
in from users (see “Thunderbolt Software Update 1.2 Causes Boot
Failures,” 12 June 2012). Happily — and unusually — Apple has
acknowledged the problems caused by version 1.2 of the update,
apologized for the disruption, and offered recovery information.

While I don’t wish to denigrate what Apple has done here in terms
of acknowledging the problem in public and apologizing for the
disruption, since that’s such a refreshing change, I would like to
point out that it took Apple several days to remove Thunderbolt
Software Update 1.2 from distribution, during which time tens of
thousands of Mac users could have wasted one or more hours each
reinstalling Mac OS X
. During those days, the word spread quickly
via TidBITS and other Mac media sites, and via social networking,
and although there’s no way to know how many people would have
been affected, it’s likely a non-trivial number. In this day and
age where the media appears to focus on rumors and controversy, this
is an excellent example of the true value of an independent
technology press."

Excerpted from TidBITS Newsletter 6/25/12 Emphasis added to parts of the excerpt.

But seriously, it is not my intention to denigrate Apple. I am merely trying to point out that Apple is similar to other tech companies in that its handling of customer problems isn't always top-notch. Apple is a computer company, period. Sometimes Apple blows it. Apple has released operating systems that weren't ready for Primetime (OS 10.0 anyone???), firmware updates that hosed Macs and defective hardware. It is disingenuous to suggest that Apple is much different than its competitors.
 
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Too sad…

I let my rMBP run the Spectrum screen saver all night and just did the test you mentioned.

The Big Google icon is still left on my screen. Definitely have to return this machine. :mad:

From your post it sounds like you ran the screen saver before you conducted the Google test. If you run the screen saver after the Google test, does the Google logo go away?
 
But seriously, it is not my intention to denigrate Apple. I am merely trying to point out that Apple is similar to other tech companies in that its handling of customer problems isn't always top-notch. Apple is a computer company, period. Sometimes Apple blows it. Apple has released operating systems that weren't ready for Primetime (OS 10.0 anyone???), firmware updates that hosed Macs and defective hardware. It is disingenuous to suggest that Apple is much different than its competitors.

Companies make mistakes? BY GOLLY! What a surprise, I've been enlightened today folks, praise be! Thank you kind sir for these amazing revelations, I shall surely cherish them and make the grandest use of my new knowledge!
 
Companies make mistakes? BY GOLLY! What a surprise, I've been enlightened today folks, praise be! Thank you kind sir for these amazing revelations, I shall surely cherish them and make the grandest use of my new knowledge!

I felt it necessary to point out the obvious since more than a few Macrumors denizens seem to think that Apple is above reproach...

I'm happy that you got the message and will benefit from it. Have a nice day!:)
 

It's cutting edge technology for a laptop so it's not to be unexpected. What defines a 'quality' company for me is not that they make mistakes but rather how they respond to them. Apples response is often as infuriating as it is disappointing, responding with either silence or denials (iphone 4 antenna). They are not alone with this sort of contemptuous response to legitimate customer complaints in reality there are plenty of far worse examples from other manufacturers.

This is an expensive flagship product from Apple so lets hope they've learned their lessons by keeping customers adequately informed and rapidly resolving any issues with the display.
 
From your post it sounds like you ran the screen saver before you conducted the Google test. If you run the screen saver after the Google test, does the Google logo go away?
It is barely to see google logo under screen saver instead of normal desktop w/ solid color. The logo will disappear after 1 or 2 mins.

BTW, I notice that the white space area on both side of Safari will bring out image persistence easily. It doesn't even take 5 mins to produce image persistence.

The thing is that I am not sure if this kind of situation is actually a HW/SW-related issue or just a character of IPS technology. Will it get worse over time?
 
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I felt it necessary to point out the obvious since more than a few Macrumors denizens seem to think that Apple is above reproach...

I'm happy that you got the message and will benefit from it. Have a nice day!:)

They're absolutely not above reproach. But when you consider them next to their competitors you understand why Apple users react like that. Sure, you may not like Apple's attitude, but what are you going to do, use Windows?

Do you think MS isn't actively screwing it's customers? Of course they are.

If you reinstall Windows three times on the same computer in a month, your legit copy of Windows will no longer register over the web. You have to call and spend an hour on the phone while their support monkeys read back long lists of letters and numbers to verify your legitimate copy of Windows.

I bought an upgrade license to Windows 7 and low and behold, if I install this fresh on a computer, I can't freaking register over the web!! I have to call and explain that I already own Windows XP but I can't install Windows XP because Windows XP doesn't support SSD's and won't run on my computer. Then they proceed to read me long lists of letters and numbers all over again.

It's different every time too. Sometimes they can't help me, they tell me I need to buy a full license. Seriously. I purchased a Win 7 upgrade license at $150 for my legit full copy of Win XP (boxed), and they're telling me I need to buy a full version of Win 7!! WTF IS WRONG WITH THEM?? I BOUGHT IT ALL IN THE MICROSOFT STORE FOR ******* SAKE. Finally, after arguing with them and asking for managers they'll pretend they're doing me a HUGE FAVOR and let me register MY TOTALLY LEGIT SOFTWARE.

In closing, if you're just sick of Apple's BS, try Microsoft, you're sure to love them.
 
I called Apple today about the issue. They're sending me a new unit and having me send back my current unit for them to take a look at. It really took no convincing on my part to get an exchange, so I encourage anyone experiencing this issue to do the same.
 
I called Apple today about the issue. They're sending me a new unit and having me send back my current unit for them to take a look at. It really took no convincing on my part to get an exchange, so I encourage anyone experiencing this issue to do the same.

Has anybody noted any connection between the problem and for example the display manufacturer/factory or serial number? Is there any way to make sure your new Macbook Retina is 'burn in problem' free (except testing it for a longer time)?
 
Let's see... what wide-spread hardware problems have escaped all the watchful eyes at Apple?

1. iPhone 4 antenna problem.

2. G4 iBook hinge defect that could damage the display cable inside the hinge.

3. NVIDIA GPU defect in 2008 MacBook Pros.

Those are just the defects that I can recall off the top of my head. (Don't get me started on the serious operating system and firmware glitches that have been released to the general public.)

I have a few more:

4. Titanium G4 Hinge cracking and paint chipping

5. White Macbook chassis cracking

6. Aluminum iMac screen smudging

7. Wallstreet Powerbook G3 Inverter issue

8. Heat issues with the first generation Intel Macbook Pros

and much much more. I love Apple stuff but they are far from perfect.
 
They're absolutely not above reproach. But when you consider them next to their competitors you understand why Apple users react like that. Sure, you may not like Apple's attitude, but what are you going to do, use Windows?

Do you think MS isn't actively screwing it's customers? Of course they are.

If you reinstall Windows three times on the same computer in a month, your legit copy of Windows will no longer register over the web. You have to call and spend an hour on the phone while their support monkeys read back long lists of letters and numbers to verify your legitimate copy of Windows.

I bought an upgrade license to Windows 7 and low and behold, if I install this fresh on a computer, I can't freaking register over the web!! I have to call and explain that I already own Windows XP but I can't install Windows XP because Windows XP doesn't support SSD's and won't run on my computer. Then they proceed to read me long lists of letters and numbers all over again.

It's different every time too. Sometimes they can't help me, they tell me I need to buy a full license. Seriously. I purchased a Win 7 upgrade license at $150 for my legit full copy of Win XP (boxed), and they're telling me I need to buy a full version of Win 7!! WTF IS WRONG WITH THEM?? I BOUGHT IT ALL IN THE MICROSOFT STORE FOR ******* SAKE. Finally, after arguing with them and asking for managers they'll pretend they're doing me a HUGE FAVOR and let me register MY TOTALLY LEGIT SOFTWARE.

In closing, if you're just sick of Apple's BS, try Microsoft, you're sure to love them.

Woah woah woah, you're angry with Microsoft because you failed to understand what you're buying?
 
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