Buyers remorse :(

[neteng101]

Jesus! Macs are not designed to play games, Macs are not designed to play games - imagine saying that in a whining 2 year old voice!

Sorry but it really gets on my ti*s when people state as a fact you cannot play games on a Mac when you clearly can.

Nice contradiction. Macs are at best designed to provide a very minimalist level of gaming at best. Being able to play a game at minimal settings is not a quality gaming experience.

The benchmark to me is to have the most demanding games with all settings turned up to max at the native resolution of a laptop screen, that's a tall order even for the PC laptops whose only consideration is for gaming.

It doesn't help that Apple puts midgrade at best GPUs in almost everything... iMacs are ridiculously under-GPUed and even the top end is a joke given the resolution of the screen. MBPs with the 335M? How about a GTX 460M option instead?

A MBP is a great laptop - but gaming on it is still quite a joke. C2Ds run OSX and apps just fine too... but there's not a single option in the lineup that can make up for the serious lack of GPU HP.

Apple + gaming is only good for a casual gamer. Doable, but you're not going to have all that eye candy and smooth frame rates others are enjoying.

 

[sup3r1or]

Interesting discussion we got going here.

Someone mentioned about running windows 7 naked, well I know what you mean. But trust me even with all the updates they release it still is snappy. There a people who are scared of viruses but didnt get any in like 5 years as long as you know what you are doing and dont download dodgy stuff from LimeWire or open executable files that someone brings you on a flash drive lol.

CAN ANYONE UPLOAD SOMEWHERE BOOTCAMP DRIVERS FOR MBP 13 2010 model PLEASEEE?

My disc is broken waiting for replacement for 1 month already. Desperately bought Retail disc but GPU, SM BUS and CoProcessor drivers are not working.

 

[SavMBP15]

Nice contradiction. Macs are at best designed to provide a very minimalist level of gaming at best. Being able to play a game at minimal settings is not a quality gaming experience.

95% of all laptops, Win or Mac, are not designed to run games. Alienware laptops are nothing more than heavy, short battery life, able to shove in a backpack, reduced size desktop.

 

[neteng101]

95% of all laptops, Win or Mac, are not designed to run games.

Slight correction 95% of all laptops, Win, are not designed to run games, while 100% of all laptops, Mac, are not designed to run games (even if Apple wants you to believe it was). Maybe if your gaming needs are Plants vs. Zombies, then they might be right.

I do wish they'd offer decently midline gaming options somewhere in the lineup. At least desktop (not mobile) 5770 in the 21-inch iMac and 5850 in the 27-inch iMac (higher resolution is an absolute killer of frame rates) would be nice to see.

And if they're serious about gaming in OSX, they need to build their own graphics API to compete with DirectX... relying OpenGL isn't going to cut it.

 

[HLdan]

95% of all laptops, Win or Mac, are not designed to run games. Alienware laptops are nothing more than heavy, short battery life, able to shove in a backpack, reduced size desktop.

THIS☝☝☝☝. You're the first person to write a post that tells the truth. I just hate when people say "Mac notebooks" are not designed for games when the truth of the matter is most PC notebooks aren't either. Most of them come with a subpart GPU that is not upgradable and a poor low contrast screen that washes out which gives you a poor to average gaming experience. You need a "gaming notebook" your choices are limited to Alienware for the most part, but yes as SavMBP15 says, it comes with a lot of downsides.

 

[apolloa]

Nice contradiction. Macs are at best designed to provide a very minimalist level of gaming at best. Being able to play a game at minimal settings is not a quality gaming experience.

The benchmark to me is to have the most demanding games with all settings turned up to max at the native resolution of a laptop screen, that's a tall order even for the PC laptops whose only consideration is for gaming.

It doesn't help that Apple puts midgrade at best GPUs in almost everything... iMacs are ridiculously under-GPUed and even the top end is a joke given the resolution of the screen. MBPs with the 335M? How about a GTX 460M option instead?

A MBP is a great laptop - but gaming on it is still quite a joke. C2Ds run OSX and apps just fine too... but there's not a single option in the lineup that can make up for the serious lack of GPU HP.

Apple + gaming is only good for a casual gamer. Doable, but you're not going to have all that eye candy and smooth frame rates others are enjoying.

What a load of bollox! You must have way more money then sense having such a stupid benchmark, 'I think a computer can only game when I can play at DX11 with ALL settings maxed out at my 1920 by 1200 resolution'! So just how many Nvidia or ATI graphics cards does it take to run a game on those settings? For others to enjoy what your are speaking about they would need to spend thousands and totally forgo battery life or an easily portable machine, also there are VERY few laptop that can do what you are stating for a price of the MB Pro. How about a 460? I can play all my games just fine.

Slight correction 95% of all laptops, Win, are not designed to run games, while 100% of all laptops, Mac, are not designed to run games (even if Apple wants you to believe it was). Maybe if your gaming needs are Plants vs. Zombies, then they might be right.

I do wish they'd offer decently midline gaming options somewhere in the lineup. At least desktop (not mobile) 5770 in the 21-inch iMac and 5850 in the 27-inch iMac (higher resolution is an absolute killer of frame rates) would be nice to see.

And if they're serious about gaming in OSX, they need to build their own graphics API to compete with DirectX... relying OpenGL isn't going to cut it.

Hmm, last time I checked OpenGL was good enough for the Playstation 3, or do you not think it 'cuts it' at games? I thin your seriously underestimating the power of OpenGL and getting sucked by MS's BS. But I'll just play my HL2 and Left 4 Dead2 and Portal 1 and 2 on my 'underpowered' laptop...

 

[neteng101]

You must have way more money then sense having such a stupid benchmark, 'I think a computer can only game when I can play at DX11 with ALL settings maxed out at my 1920 by 1200 resolution'!

Uh, I can build such a system easily under $1,000, which is less than the cost of any MBP or iMac.

Hmm, last time I checked OpenGL was good enough for the Playstation 3, or do you not think it 'cuts it' at games?

Uh, you're the one not checking your facts...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_system_software

Its fine if Apple builds their own customized OpenGL implementation the way Sony did for the PS3 but replying on pure OpenGL as they are now is pretty much useless. Explain to me why none of the same titles on a Mac can achieve the frame rates when one runs Boot Camp? You'd think that the OSX variant of a game running on a Mac would be faster, but it just isn't.

Apple has serious work to do if they want to be taken more seriously by gamers. Like I said, they have sub-par gaming that's only acceptable for casual gamers and not enthusiast level offerings.

Half Life 2 is a joke for gaming benchmarks and an old game... try running Mafia 2.

 

[apolloa]

Uh, you're the one not checking your facts...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_system_software

Its fine if Apple builds their own customized OpenGL implementation the way Sony did for the PS3 but replying on pure OpenGL as they are now is pretty much useless. Explain to me why none of the same titles on a Mac can achieve the frame rates when one runs Boot Camp? You'd think that the OSX variant of a game running on a Mac would be faster, but it just isn't.

Apple has serious work to do if they want to be taken more seriously by gamers. Like I said, they have sub-par gaming that's only acceptable for casual gamers and not enthusiast level offerings.

Half Life 2 is a joke for gaming benchmarks and an old game... try running Mafia 2.

So it's OpenGL then? How am I wrong exactly? Is it DirectX? Like i said your so called benchmark is plain stupid. And Mafia 2 isn't on the Mac natively?
So now we're getting to the bottom of it, your claiming that Mac OSX cannot game? I mean it's the same hardware in bootcamp and I can play any game in that at what ever resolution.

 

[DVD9]

Interesting discussion we got going here.

Someone mentioned about running windows 7 naked, well I know what you mean. But trust me even with all the updates they release it still is snappy. There a people who are scared of viruses but didnt get any in like 5 years as long as you know what you are doing and dont download dodgy stuff from LimeWire or open executable files that someone brings you on a flash drive lol.

Yeah, don't run the "crack", the "key generator" or the "Adobe blocker", or whatever the bot network is calling it this week. The corporate media won't tell the public that. The public has to be kept ignorant and told to install virus scanners that do not work, and never have worked. Possibly the dumbest software written for computers.

The virus program will identify a file labeled "key generator" as infected (brilliant!). Turn off the scanner, run the key generator and infect your system, then delete the key generator. Now run the virus scanner and the scanner will tell you that everything is OK!

For this kind of "help" you get to have your system ground to a halt until it becomes unusable and then you reinstall your operating system and start over.

No thanks! I'll run naked and run fast.

Oh, and they want you to pay for this crap too! The New York Times will tell you to pay for this nonsense, and then tell you that Apple is better because you don't need virus scanners.

Huh?

And what about trojans for Macs? Same thing, run the key generator and join the bot network. No different than Windows.
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