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Ps3, atv ?

This is probably a dumb question - but could this device be used to run a PS3 an Apple TV, or any other HDMI device into an Apple Thunderbolt Display?

I love my TBolt, just wish I could plug more devices into it.

Thanks!
 
... as Apple begins introducing Mac hardware supporting the new Thunderbolt 2 standard ...

Yay. I love Thunderbird 2.

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Hi, may I know which machine are you using the belkin thunderbolt dock with? I am planning to purchase the belkin but too scared if it might not work properly. Currently I have the matrox ds1 and the OWC Helios. So far both are working well. Thanks.

You can check out my unboxing videos of the two devices here - YouTube.com/Handri

I'm using a 2012 27" iMac.
 
I don't think they are releasing the T2 any more.. I spoke to one of the sales guys at IBC in September and he basically told me they were releasing the T3 instead of the T2. Looks like a neat drive though

That's okay then I guess but it is still troubling that they don't have plans to release it as a bare enclosure. The video on their site indicates it will only be available with drives installed already. Which is annoying because they also tout the ability to have 2 drives in raid and an ssd as a JBOD, but the only way to do that would be buying it with 3 drives, shelving one of the drives and putting in your SSD.

Just give us the enclosure, try offering the bare enclosure and target selling more units this way rather than profiting on the resale of OEM drives and selling fewer prestocked units. So many of us are waiting on decent choices for Thunderbolt enclosures but companies just keep refusing to do business this way. Your target demographic knows the storage market and knows the only reason you don't offer bare enclosures is to profit on cheap OEM drives, it is insulting.
 
My simple Kanax usb3+Ethernet DualRole doesn't work completely with Mavericks. USB is fine; Ethernet driver is missing.

Just download the newest ASIX drivers straight from ASIX website. The Kanex uses the chipset. Works for me under Mavericks.
 
I assume that is why the professional line of computers (i.e. macbook pros, iMacs (sorta), and Mac Pros) come with multiple TB ports. Your average user who would buy the Mini and Macbook Air, wouldn't be as likely to use firewire or ethernet (although the Mini already has those build in).
Having one tb-device without passthrough and one external display other than Apple's and you are out of ports. Not very pro.

Btw, IF Apple would be interested to increase tb acceptance, they could make a whole series of affordable & stackable tb-adapters with atv's or airport's footprint (3.85"). Only one type of connection + tb x 2 + chainable power cord socket x2. Maybe one stackable box could be AC power for the others and macbooks...
 
It's a Barm, not breadcake. :D

Oh and for the americans - it's Sol-der. Not Sawwwder. Say it how it's spelt, just like aluminium. ;)

Anyway back on topic ... this thing has potential. Shame my monitor doesn't have an HDMI port.

Hey, they pronounce aluminium differently because they spell it differently. You lot on the wrong side of the Pennines are worse, you pronounce bread as barm, it's spelt breadcake, so that's how it's pronounced ;)

( Remind me never to order a chip buttie in Manchester!)
 
It's a Barm, not breadcake. :D

Oh and for the americans - it's Sol-der. Not Sawwwder. Say it how it's spelt, just like aluminium. ;)

Anyway back on topic ... this thing has potential. Shame my monitor doesn't have an HDMI port.
If you check the American pronunciation on dictionary.com or merriam-webster.com, you'll find it's properly pronounced SAH-der.

We don't tell you how to pronounce things, yet *we're* the arrogant ones, right? Oh, bollocks. Bloody, sodding Nonces trying to bugger up our language! :p
 
Hey, they pronounce aluminium differently because they spell it differently. You lot on the wrong side of the Pennines are worse, you pronounce bread as barm, it's spelt breadcake, so that's how it's pronounced ;)

( Remind me never to order a chip buttie in Manchester!)

They should just spell it properly, along with a number of other words. ;) Simples.

Bread is still bread. I don't walk into Greggs and ask for a loaf of Barm! Chip butty is still a chip butty, unless you want a chip barm. I've seen my sister ask for "bread then chips then bread" when she lived near Stoke and they'd never heard of a Barm. Bunch of heathens down there. ;)
 
Shame my monitor doesn't have an HDMI port.

Does it have a DVI port? (I’d assume so)

DVI-to-HDMI is just a cable - I’m using this one from Monoprice, very high quality:

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023102&p_id=2218&seq=1&format=2

~$8.00 USD

You can also score a DVI-HDMI adapter for about 1/2 that if you’ve got HDMI cables lying around (though I prefer the all in one cable option).

Using that from a ViewSonic IPS 24”, DVI >> [cable] >>HDMI >> [adapter] >>TB/DP

:cool:
 
I just preordered this for my 2011 iMac, here is my reasons.

1. The 2011 iMac has thunderbolt 1 only, so thunderbolt 2 dock (whenever they are developed) wouldn't help.
2. The 2011 iMac has USB 2, this will allow me to upgrade to USB 3.
3. The 21.5" 2011 iMac only has one thunderbolt port, so I didn't want something that would force the chain to end.

Basically I am using this to add usb3. The other ports with this device are not needed by me as the iMac already has sound. Ethernet, 2nd screen via Apple TV screen sharing, etc.

The belkin dock only goes 1/2 usb 3 speed, for $100 more, the matrix dock doesn't have 2 thunderbolt, which would end the chain. Both are deal breakers for me.

There are 2 other unreleased products, a kanex thunderbolt to usb 3 (ends chain) and a Sonnet dock that looks very capable but very expensive (although it does have DVD/bluray & internal hard drive support., so the cost is justified for those who truly need all the expansion offered.)

Anyway, although I would prefer a cheaper ($224 with cable) usb 3 upgrade, I went ahead and decided it was worth it.


IMO this makes no sense at all. For $224 you should just upgrade to a newer generation iMac.
 
Finally a thunderbolt dock with the ports and a price-point I can get behind.

I wonder if the HDMI port is acting like a passive adapter off the video channel, or if it actually got its own video card? I'm hoping for the former, but I'm not sure how they'd support HDMI and also MDP->DVI adapters on the thunderbolt output.

I was so hoping this could allow a 2011" Macbook Pro to power two external displays - one Thunderbolt and one HDMI - but the numbers just don't add up. A single Thunderbolt 1 port simply isn't fast enough to drive two high res monitors unless it's at a really low refresh rate.

For example:
Two 2,560x1,600 monitors = 8 megapixels x 3 bytes/pixel = 24 megabytes/frame x 8 bits/byte = 192 megabits/frame.

Not sure how much of that 10 gigabits/second to count on, if we had it all, we'd get 10,000 / 192 = 52 frames per second. And that's 100% ideal, without using any of the other ports.

Bottom line - you really need Thunderbolt 2.0 to handle two monitors at decent refresh rates, especially once you plug other peripherals into it. Better instead to think of these Thunderbolt 1.0 docks as supporting a single external monitor.

Example 2: One 24" 1,920 x 1,200 monitor on HDMI, and one 30" 2,560 x 1,600 on display port.
Requires 153 megabits/frame. 10,000 / 153 = 65 fps. Almost respectable, but again, we're not gonna get 100% of ideal Thunderbolt bitrate.
 
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IMO this makes no sense at all. For $224 you should just upgrade to a newer generation iMac.

BTW He meant it would cost him US$224.00 to BUY the Thunderbolt Station (with cable) from CalDigit. This will enable him to update his present system by adding USB3 using this solution. To purchase a replacement iMac would cost a lot more money, even with a trade in.

At least that's what I understand.
 
I was so hoping this could allow a 2011" Macbook Pro to power two external displays - one Thunderbolt and one HDMI - but the numbers just don't add up. A single Thunderbolt 1 port simply isn't fast enough to drive two high res monitors unless it's at a really low refresh rate.

For example:
Two 2,560x1,600 monitors = 8 megapixels x 3 bytes/pixel = 24 megabytes/frame x 8 bits/byte = 192 megabits/frame.

Not sure how much of that 10 gigabits/second to count on, if we had it all, we'd get 10,000 / 192 = 52 frames per second. And that's 100% ideal, without using any of the other ports.

Bottom line - you really need Thunderbolt 2.0 to handle two monitors at decent refresh rates, especially once you plug other peripherals into it. Better instead to think of these Thunderbolt 1.0 docks as supporting a single external monitor.

This was mentioned in an earlier post, not sure if you saw it:

http://www.hengedocks.com/order_horizontal_dock.php

The Horizontal Dock for the MacBook Pro with Retina Display allows for three external displays, six USB 3.0 peripherals, two audio devices, an Ethernet connection, an SD Card, a FireWire 800 device and power. Dual audio ports enable switching between multiple audio input and output devices directly from OS X.


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BTW He meant it would cost him US$224.00 to BUY the Thunderbolt Station (with cable) from CalDigit. This will enable him to update his present system by adding USB3 using this solution. To purchase a replacement iMac would cost a lot more money, even with a trade in.

At least that's what I understand.

Yeah, I would think the loss of selling a 2 year old (2-3 revisions behind) iMac would be a good bit more, plus I put a value on my time (for setting up a new machine, etc.). This is ~$200, you connect it, done. :cool:
 
BTW He meant it would cost him US$224.00 to BUY the Thunderbolt Station (with cable) from CalDigit. This will enable him to update his present system by adding USB3 using this solution. To purchase a replacement iMac would cost a lot more money, even with a trade in.

At least that's what I understand.

Yes, the dock costs $224 with the thunderbolt cable.

There is no way I could sell a used computer and buy the newest model for anywhere near that price, never mind the time and hassle to craigslist/ebay the used computer.

Of course, for those who frequently replace their computer, I might not be worth it, but I am hoping to get years out of the iMac before replacement.

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This was mentioned in an earlier post, not sure if you saw it:

http://www.hengedocks.com/order_horizontal_dock.php



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Yeah, I would think the loss of selling a 2 year old (2-3 revisions behind) iMac would be a good bit more, plus I put a value on my time (for setting up a new machine, etc.). This is ~$200, you connect it, done. :cool:

Yes, that was my thinking.
 
Yes, the dock costs $224 with the thunderbolt cable.

There is no way I could sell a used computer and buy the newest model for anywhere near that price, never mind the time and hassle to craigslist/ebay the used computer.

Of course, for those who frequently replace their computer, I might not be worth it, but I am hoping to get years out of the iMac before replacement.

Ok, I was thinking like refurbished 2012 gen. But if you don't want the hassle then that's a point I didn't think of.
 
What about "zed" for the letter "zee"? Or their pronunciation of "aluminum"? ;)

An American having a dig at how an Englishman speaks English is quite ironic.

Yes, there are also many, many dialects here in the UK too... just as Americans from Boston speak differently to Americans from Texas.

But I can't stand to hear aluminium pronounced 'alooooominum'. lol
Also, 'negative' instead of 'minus' grinds my gears a bit, and loads of other stuff, hah.

Whatever though... American English isn't English... It's a bastardised version. Not in a necessarily bad way... just different.
 
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You simply can't exceed the bandwidth to your laptop...

This was mentioned in an earlier post, not sure if you saw it:

http://www.hengedocks.com/order_horizontal_dock.php

Yeah, that dock is nice, but it doesn't help a 2011 MBP, and once you have a retina, you've got USB 3 and dual external monitors. Not saying it's bad, though.

My point about the Caldigit and a LOT of these external things, is by conservation of physics, they MUST have a very strong "you can use these ports OR these ports at once, but NOT ALL OF THEM. (At least not at full speed.)"

There are people in this thread imagining running five USB 3.0 ports, each at 5 gigabits/second, plus a monitor, all off of a 10 gigabit/second TB port. It simply can't happen. And the makers of these things are NOT being honest about it - all they are discussing is what ONE peripheral it can handle...

For example, it can handle ONE HDMI monitor at 2,560 x 1,600, or ONE USB 3.0 port at 5 gigabits/second, but not both, and certainly not several.

I think some people will buy this imagining a certain setup and be utterly disappointed when they find it doesn't work.

By late 2013, with dual 20 gigabit ports going into a hendgedock supporting TB2, you're in really good shape. You still can't use all output ports at once of course, but now you can reasonably have two monitors and a single full speed USB 3 peripheral, plus throw in a gigabit Ethernet and FW800 on the side. I think that's what many people imagine you could do on a 2011 MBP with a single TB1 port.

It would be a significant boost if they DID have their own graphics cards in the adapter - then supporting 3 displays at once would be more plausible. It'd be nice to know max resolutions/refresh rates. But even with an internal graphics card, there's no way al those ports could operate at once at full speed, because that data has to come from your laptop.

It's just like people who bought dual ported USB 3.0 Express34 cards and expected high speed - but you can't run dual 5 gigabit/s ports off a single 2.5 gigabit/second PCIe link.
 
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but can you plus a PS3 or apple TV into it? that's the only reason i'd want one so i could use my imac screen. sux everything has HDMI but it:mad:
 
Looks like a great device although I am wondering if the audio in is mic level only or is it switchable to line level too. I have to have line level for the recordings I do.
 
Ahh, thanks. I was thinking the device would take a USB drive and make it look like a TB drive to the OS. Then it might be suitable for audio applications which need the uninterruptible data stream that FW provides.

Just to be clear, there is no such thing as a thunderbolt anything. They all have to use some sort of protocol to hook up to thunderbolt. Even these new PCIe drives use SATA Express as their method of traversing PCIe.
 
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