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Did you read the article? They're doing it so the cop cannot take possession of your phone, and showing them the digital ID specifically does not give them consent to go looking through your phone. As well, I believe this is implemented so that, just like credit cards in Apple Pay, you have to authenticate (FaceID, TouchID, or passcode) to get it to display, and it doesn’t fully unlock your phone, it only displays the requested card.
Yeah, but they take your ID to take down the info and run check on their computer. When you're in contact with LEO and they initiated a legal stop or what have you. So if you only have Digital ID on your person. You'd have to hand it over in some form. Unless you expect them to carry their computer with them. But that's not safe for a whole number of reasons. So yea there's that.
 
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It's a non starter if it's an app. We had several for Covid confirmation.
To my knowledge, there’s no official COVID vaccination app here in California, but it’s easy enough to put in Apple Wallet (there’s a state website for it, googling “California digital covid vaccination card” should find it, and after authentication, it gives you a page with a QR code, you point the phone’s camera at it, and it imports into the Health app, and from there into Apple Wallet.

Just looked and my Calif. Vaccination Card for COVID-19 is not up to date (it's in Wallet). Doesn't have the booster I got mid-November.
They don’t update automatically, you have to go through the (fairly painless) process to get a new one, and note that - from the looks of it, Apple only set it up to store a max of 4 COVID vaccinations. Since I’ve had 5 shots, I end up with my vaccination card actually being a row of two cards (annoying but not really a problem) - the frontmost one shows shots 2,3,4,5, and if I swipe over there’s another one with shots 1,2,3,4. In practice, I’ve never had to show it anywhere.
 
The issue here is that (1) has already been solved by Apple. So CA doing their own thing is a massive waste of taxpayer dollars and probably won’t work.
And you’re reading “massive waste of taxpayers dollars” from conjecture at the kind of thing they might be doing. It was a guess. Let’s wait until we have more facts before assigning blame.
 
I am not so excited about Digital IDs. I am always a bit concerned when big government start creating things like that saying how easy and convenient will make my life as excuse to either control or track my moves and habits. My current driver's license works just fine. Be aware people. My two cents.
 
No they won't. They have to follow the same UI rules as everyone else. Maybe different colors?
 
Yeah, but then take your ID to take down the info and run check on their computer. … So if you only have Digital ID on your person. You'd have to hand it over in some form. Unless you expect them to carry their computer with them. …
What part of “the cop cannot take possession of your phone” did you not understand? Go read up on how this is done is states that already have this. The cop has the choice of bringing a handheld scanner (these already exist) up to your car that reads either a QR code from your screen or a NFC signal from your phone, or they can physically copy down the information while looking at the screen of the phone you are holding. From the article:

The legislation also specifies that digital IDs be opt-in and that digital ID users cannot be forced to hand over a smartphone to verify ID, nor does using a device for an ID provide consent for law enforcement to search a smartphone.​
 
Are they going to do it with crypto? There are projects out there working on identity verification on the blockchain, and tying that into purchasing things like plane tickets while also verifying ID at the airport.

AMP Token is one such project working on this problem. It's one of the few projects out there that has actual utility and is embracing regulation so crypto can go mainstream, unlike all these rug pull meme coins pushed by scammers. But they are still early in their development/growth phase. They're doing it right though, applying for all the patents, financial licenses, and have a sizable legal department compared to the size of the company which is making sure they are doing things by the book. Crypto has a lot to offer as far as efficiencies go and especially once we have a good framework of regulation surrounding it. Fortunately this market cycle has been killing off a lot of the problem projects but there is still much to do.


Somewhat off-topic side note:

I think projects like AMP Token are going to be huge by the end of this decade due to not only being able to instantly verify ID, but also by providing instant collateral for any transaction type once they finish their SDK. And yes, full disclosure, I'm invested. But I think it's the best long play in crypto IMO, and I've seen rumors and various business connections on LinkedIn and with co-presenters at conferences and leaked images on their site showing they've been working with companies like Target (leaked logo on their site), Amazon (their head of Web 3), and Walmart (Store Nº8) to potentially replace their payment rails. They already have some early clients such as Dunkin' Donuts and Chipotle, among others, and you can pay with crypto at those locations using their app. But getting back to my point, Walmart loses like $8B per year to VISA, Mastercard, etc and their 3% fees. AMP can do it for 0.5% and if they stake into their own collateral pool, they can get that fee back, essentially making it fee free. And beyond that, they can instantly settle payments for anything from remittance payments overseas, multi-billion dollar international business transactions that can bypass foreign exchange fees converting currency, and even instantly pay out for stock trades or real-estate. So it's not just crypto, they're getting into fiat payments as well but handling them on the blockchain. So you don't need to be a crypto nerd to use it—as a matter of fact most people won't even know they are. They've already partnered with existing payment systems like InComm which are used at all kinds of stores. This project is ready to pop once the economy kicks back around this year.
 
What part of “the cop cannot take possession of your phone” did you not understand? Go read up on how this is done is states that already have this. The cop has the choice of bringing a handheld scanner (these already exist) up to your car that reads either a QR code from your screen or a NFC signal from your phone, or they can physically copy down the information while looking at the screen of the phone you are holding. From the article:

The legislation also specifies that digital IDs be opt-in and that digital ID users cannot be forced to hand over a smartphone to verify ID, nor does using a device for an ID provide consent for law enforcement to search a smartphone.​
lol, I didn't say they could. What part of my posts even said that? I'm asking. You're just assuming I'm saying that. Nowhere in that article does it address that beyond the cops will not be allowed to legally rifle through your phone or hand it over. THe article does not mention anything about how that would be handled. Another poster mentioned RFID. The article in this thread says nothing more.
 
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California is the fourth or fifth biggest economy in the world and its population is nearly 40 million. In no way to I mean to imply that Calif. is doing things better, but the scale is different than many countries. But the main difference is that US states have a lot of power that is at the federal level in most countries.
California certainly does a lot of stuff better. The results speak for themselves.
We don't even have a federal level, but that's ok we are only 10 million (and shrinking...). You can easily cross everything in a day and still at legal speed limits.
 
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lol, I didn't say they could. What part of my posts even said that? I'm asking. You're just assuming I'm saying that.
Literally the part I quoted. From you:
Yeah, but then take your ID to take down the info and run check on their computer. … So if you only have Digital ID on your person. You'd have to hand it over in some form. Unless you expect them to carry their computer with them. …
 
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Don't they always do everything like no other state 😂

Hope ALL states roll digital ID's out soon. This was announced forever ago!
 
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Apple in 2022 enhanced the Wallet app with a new feature that is designed to allow driver's licenses and state ID cards to be stored in the Wallet app, but states need to implement support for the option, and only a handful have done so as of now.

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California has been developing a digital ID for some time now, and the California DMV received permission to start testing mobile driver's licenses and ID cards with a limited number of people back in 2021. The state has not yet confirmed specifically that its mobile ID solution will integrate with the Wallet app function that Apple has introduced, but we may not have long to wait to find out what California has planned.

California governor Gavin Newsom today outlined the 2023/2024 California budget proposal, and as part of his speech, he said that the state is ready to roll out some kind of digital ID solution in "a matter of months," with plans to implement support in a unique way compared to other states.Little is known about California's digital identification plans, as the state has not shared details at this time, but the California legislature has been privacy focused. As outlined by The Los Angeles Times last year, digital IDs and corresponding mobile apps are not able to collect or hold any information beyond what's needed to perform stated functions, and all information is limited to what's on a physical driver's license or ID card.

The legislation also specifies that digital IDs be opt-in and that digital ID users cannot be forced to hand over a smartphone to verify ID, nor does using a device for an ID provide consent for law enforcement to search a smartphone.

As of right now, digital driver's licenses and IDs in the Wallet app are supported by Arizona, Maryland, and Colorado.

Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Iowa, Kentucky, Mississippi, Ohio, Oklahoma, and Utah have all committed to allowing residents to add a state ID or driver's license to the wallet app, but timing is not yet clear. Apple has been discussing support with many other states as well as Puerto Rico, but no California-specific announcements have been made.

It is possible that California could eschew the Wallet app and offer driver's licenses through a state-operated app similar to what Florida and Louisiana do, but California has supported other integrations with the iPhone and Apple is based in California, so it is likely the Cupertino company will be able to convince California officials to participate.

In states that do support IDs and driver's licenses in the Wallet app on the iPhone, the information can be used in lieu of a physical ID at select airports, including the Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport (BWI), the Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA), and the Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport (PHX).

Digital IDs can also be used in select iPhone apps for identity or age verification purposes as of iOS 16, and Apple is also working with retailers and venues to begin accepting digital identification verification.

Article Link: California Governor Teases Support for Digital IDs: 'We're Going to Do It Like No Other State'
No one cares if you do your own thing just make it compatible with the damn phone
 
Literally the part I quoted. From you:
That's not what I said. Huh? I'm saying you'll still need to give them your ID in my scenario where LEO has initiated contact under legal policy to ask for ID. I said nothing about handing your phone over as the actual requirement. You're inferring all kinds of things in my post. Also you're jumping the gun. I understood from RFID reply. I just didn't acknowledge it in the thread.
 
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Are they going to do it with crypto? There are projects out there working on identity verification on the blockchain, and tying that into purchasing things like plane tickets while also verifying ID at the airport.
There’s plenty of crypto - that is, cryptography - involved in Apple Wallet and its support of ID cards. Getting the cesspool that is cryptocurrency involved seems like a terrible idea.
 
And you’re reading “massive waste of taxpayers dollars” from conjecture at the kind of thing they might be doing. It was a guess. Let’s wait until we have more facts before assigning blame.

I'm perfectly prepared to say there is absolutely nothing the state of CA could do in this space that would be better than what Apple—a company with tens of thousands of engineers and hundreds of billions of dollars, not to mention absolute control over the most popular mobile OS in the country—has already done.
 
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That's not what I said. Huh? I'm saying you'll still need to give them your ID in my scenario where LEO has initiated contact under legal policy to ask for ID. I said nothing about handing your phone over as the actual requirement. You're inferring all kinds of things in my post.
So, let me get this straight, you’re taking about having only a digital ID with you, and having to had that digital ID to them to take to their car to check, but you’re not referring to a digital ID on your iPhone. In an article about Apple Wallet. What have you got in mind, then? If the digital ID is only on your phone and you’re worried about the, taking the digital ID back to their car to check, how do you intend for the LEO to take your digital ID, if not on your phone?
 
Lol I think the drivers license from California is not even valid in Europe / Germany as in, you need to redo the complete test after 6 months
A lot of Euro countries accept US driver's license.
Mine does and also Germany. In both cases for 6 months.
If you plan to stick around it can be exchanged.
 
So, let me get this straight, you’re taking about having only a digital ID with you, and having to had that digital ID to them to take to their car to check, but you’re not referring to a digital ID on your iPhone. In an article about Apple Wallet. What have you got in mind, then? If the digital ID is only on your phone and you’re worried about the, taking the digital ID back to their car to check, how do you intend for the LEO to take your digital ID, if not on your phone?
Yeah I remember getting into it with you in a COVID thread a while back. THink we should refrain from engaging in further contact.
 
A lot of Euro countries accept US driver's license.
Mine does and also Germany. In both cases for 6 months.

Hence the after 6 months 😉 the poor husband of my cousin had to pay 2k+ for another license, 10 hours of classes and 20 hours of driving lessons even though he has already been driving in the US for 10+ years 😅
 
"We're going to do it like no other state has done it."

This is the main problem. All the states should be on the same page. If they were to follow the same pattern/protocol there won't be any delays or hiccups.
Unfortunately or not, we are federation of states. I'd prefer a more national system, but that would take a constitutional amendment
 
Hence the after 6 months 😉 the poor husband of my cousin had to pay 2k+ for another license, 10 hours of classes and 20 hours of driving lessons even though he has already been driving in the US for 10+ years 😅
Just checked and here in addiction to some bureaucratic stuff (passport, residency permit and whatever), a doctor note saying you aren't nuts or disabled it would cost you 30 euros to exchange.
But the original one would be returned to the USA
A full blown license with classes and all that stuff depends a lot on the school but should be around 500 euro more or less. I believe nowadays you can do it in an automatic car but it's uncommon.
 
This pretty much summarizes my reaction to "digital license plates that track location":

 
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