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California Joins New York in Effort to Weaken Smartphone Encryption

Just keep your old phones and don't upgrade software anymore. Hopefully this will hurt CA at least a little with apples tax revenue going away if they decide not to sell in CA. They can't backtrack and modify the phones just like if you are in prison and a law changes you don't get out without a massive appeal process that takes years. Laws cannot backtrack.

So I wonder if it's an option for Apple to not sell to CA, write a disclaimer statement saying that you should not bring this to CA. Move their headquarters out and see what happens to the politicians.
 
Big sticker on smartphone boxes soon:

'This otherwise great smartphone is sold compromised and backdoored, as demanded by state law. Incidentally, you might want to do an important security software update right after you take this out the box before you use it at all *WINK*! - Please note: if you are a bad guy, please forget you read this.'
 
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rdlink said:
EFF YOU TOO, CALIFORNIA.
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One person in a population of 39 million. and a rep from a south Sacramento "suburb" at that.
Let's not forget his proposal is likely illegal and he is trying to push this in a state with the highest per capita of lawyers and some serious privacy laws and the home of Apple, Google, etc...

Yeah. Like this will happen.
Not.
Next...
 
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zioxide said:
Another idiot politician trying to make laws about things they do not understand.


Tim Cook should suspend the entire new Apple Campus construction project until this bill is tossed. Watch how fast the government would cave if it looks like they would lose all that economic benefit of Apple building their new campus there.
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He can do one better...as it turns out, Apple has a campus in Elk Grove, which is in Coopers district. He can "relocate" that campus and give a middle finger to him and the EG ploitical numbnuts that support him!
 
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APlotdevice said:
If a warrant is required, then I'm actually okay with this. Obviously the police do need information to help fight crimes. There just needs to be restraints on WHEN they can do things like this, and WHAT kind of information they can actually use...
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The problem with this logic is that as soon as you put a hole in the security, the security is useless. It can be a hole that only you have the keys to, but that doesn't stop someone else from coming in with a lock pick set to open the door wide.
 
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Rhonindk said:
One person in a population of 39 million. and a rep from a south Sacramento "suburb" at that.
Let's not forget his proposal is likely illegal and he is trying to push this in a state with the highest per capita of lawyers and some serious privacy laws and the home of Apple, Google, etc...

Yeah. Like this will happen.
Not.
Next...
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I hope you're right. I really do. I used to live there, and there is some pretty messed up thinking coming from legislators who keep getting elected.
 
If your computer drive is encrypted, by law they cannot force you to say your password.
rdlink said:
First, re your first sentence, WTF? I hope you're being sarcastic. Otherwise, WOW!

Second, re your second sentence, What on earth does that have to do with any of this?
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Actually he is absolutely right. You are guilty of something all the time. 1 mile over speed limit, breaking the law. Going 55 on an interstate highway outside city limits, breaking the law, even if you towing a trailer. Let's not get into city laws that have been around forever but no one wants to get rid of them.
 
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So the same law enforcement agencies like NYPD that routinely do everything it can to deny, delay and outright ignore lawful Requests for documents via FOI. Is now saying they should be able to get into any phone they want????
 
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jca24 said:
New York and cali, the two most effed up lib-tard states, go figure. God bless Texas!!
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Don't get me started on this, as there are plenty of other issues going on in Texas that erodes peoples' rights, yet your lot down there remains woefully quiet.

But I will say that everyone here is going off of the assumption that this IS GOING TO HAPPEN. Keep in mind that a bill has only been proposed. Not even debated or voted, but proposed. And even if it became law, a suit challenging it based on the 4A will immediately kill it.

So instead of going off on the same polarizing, political rhetorical bollocks you're already starting, how about waiting until this becomes concrete or gains traction before spouting off drivel like this.

If this gets blocked and shot down, let me guess: they'll still be "lib-tards" just because Texas.

BL.
 
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aloshka said:
If your computer drive is encrypted, by law they cannot force you to say your password.


Actually he is absolutely right. You are guilty of something all the time. 1 mile over speed limit, breaking the law. Going 55 on an interstate highway outside city limits, breaking the law, even if you towing a trailer. Let's not get into city laws that have been around forever but no one wants to get rid of them.
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But it makes no sense. That was my point. It's not in any way germane to the issue at hand.
 
APlotdevice said:
If a warrant is required, then I'm actually okay with this. Obviously the police do need information to help fight crimes. There just needs to be restraints on WHEN they can do things like this, and WHAT kind of information they can actually use...
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Yeah, make sure you put a key on your front door that says "FOR POLICE ONLY", too.

Every person who thinks this is a good idea is stupid. Every single one of them.
 
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ron7624 said:
The land line gave govt a way to listen in. The cell phone changed the terrain. The govt wants that power back.
How many people are in prison because the police and the DA thought someone was guilty of a crime they didn't commit? The tone or subject of a conversation can be misunderstood easily. My wife and I text all day long and we often misunderstand the others meaning.
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These are a bit different. Listening in on a conversation is one thing, having unfettered access to all the data on these types of devices is another.
 
What's stopping anyone from buying a Tracfone and dumping it? Human trafficking continues and the government is powerless.
 
APlotdevice said:
If a warrant is required, then I'm actually okay with this. Obviously the police do need information to help fight crimes. There just needs to be restraints on WHEN they can do things like this, and WHAT kind of information they can actually use...
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rdlink said:
I hope you're right. I really do. I used to live there, and there is some pretty messed up thinking coming from legislators who keep getting elected.
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Doesn't work that way. California already has state vetted laws treating smartphone devices similar to a residence - you need specifically worded warrants. No shopping trips. This proposal already flies in the face of that.
 
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gixxerfool said:
What's stopping anyone from buying a Tracfone and dumping it? Human trafficking continues and the government is powerless.
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Exactly. It's not like most of the type of people law enforcement would legitimately want to track are easily trackable or don't deal in large amounts of cash.
 
I can't wait to read reports of mass immigration from the US to elsewhere.

"American Refugees..."

I'd be one.
 
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Christian 5G said:
I live in California, I guess I'm upgrading to new iPhone this year for the last time :)
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Before you do that, you may want to wait to see if this even becomes LAW. Right now, this is just a proposal, so don't assume that it will be law, because it will not.

BTW, everyone. Instead of complaining about it, or screaming "lib-tard", how about acutally doing something about it, and take the information on the assemblyman from a few posts up and blast him with complaints on how this is wrong, and shoot his proposal down?

Or better yet, write those in the Assembly with him, and tell them to shoot down this bill. They're our representatives, so they are held accountable to US.

teh ph34r is palpable in this thread.

BL.
 
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