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California Joins New York in Effort to Weaken Smartphone Encryption

I hate this.
My privacy trumps just about everything else until I've been convicted of a crime.

Apple is a seriously wealthy and important company.
Seeing as the US political system is completely corrupted by being bought and paid for by corporations can't they just throw money at these idiots to shut them up?

Or you know, just threaten to move their HQ elsewhere and stop selling phones in these states? People would just buy them out of state or online I imagine?
 
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ThunderSkunk said:
You know what it takes to get a warrant? About a 12 second phone call.

'Hey judge, I'm at 1234 Thomas Paine road and I need a warrant.
Ok.
Thanks."

Thanks to the Rico drug laws intended for the worst offenders now being applied to anyone and everyone 100% of the time, warrants are meaningless. Give authoritarians an inch, they take a mile and never give it back. Every time. In every country, all throughout human history. People never learn.
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Absolute power...
 
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Crosscreek said:
Any time you leave a backdoor open someone will find a way in.
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^ This exactly ^

yadmonkey said:
Law enforcement can request information (text messages, cloud data, etc.) from tech companies using... what was that thing called again? Ah yes, due process. Anything beyond that is completely unreasonable and beyond irresponsible.
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Yep trying to take due process and the need for subpena away ( cause let's be honest some less than honest or unscrupulous law enforcement would likely abuse the "Blackdoor" )



JM said:
"Human trafficking trumps privacy, no ifs, ands, or buts about it."

Well there you go. That side of the argument is pretty clear.

How about Apple's genius engineers come up with a way so that the government can obtain entrance to a smartphone with a warrant stating to do so. Can't there be encryption keys stored at Apple on their secure servors that no theif or hacker could access?
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Unfortunately in the tech world even the best security or encryption can be broken/breached rather by the good guy or mostly by the bad guy.


Sooner or later if someone hasn't yet someone will crack Apple
( or Android on applicable devices )
devices. Heck surprised the Gov hasn't actively sought out all the most skilled black hat hackers and the like they could find and force the issues of trampling over civil liberties
 
Rocco83 said:
Personally I feel Human Trafficking does not trump my privacy. I'm also selfish and believe my privacy is more important to me than someone else's plight of putting themselves in the position to be traded like cattle. Regardless of whether or not I'm not doing anything that should get me to pop up on the police's radar, I would rather not have my privacy eroded under the guise of a larger issue. Be it human trafficking, terrorism, global warming, or to find the hidden pictures of the lochness monster on my phone.

Quit being lazy government and wanting tech companies to do your job for you.
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Placing themselves in that position? So an 8 year old girl sold as a child sex slave is her own doing? Pull your head out, what an arrogant, selfish, small minded comment to say, shame on you!
 
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Rhonindk said:
These are a bit different. Listening in on a conversation is one thing, having unfettered access to all the data on these types of devices is another.
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It is no different. Either way, per time period, they had access to all data.

Then: Mail seizure/reading and phone tapping.

Now: (You get it.)

There's just a lot more data nowadays, and it's all on an itty bitty device that costs $1k-$2k per year to operate.
 
"For the industry to say it's privacy, it really doesn't hold any water. We're going after human traffickers and people who are doing bad and evil things. Human trafficking trumps privacy, no ifs, ands, or buts about it."

As a California resident, I am contacting them with the following quote:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

The cats been long out of the bag on encryption. I remember all these same arguments when PGP went public. There is no going back. You can't get rid of encryption. You can ban it all you want. It's a cat and mouse game that three letter government agencies never will or can win at.
 
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BTW: Jim Cooper is an ex-cop. He was a Sacramento County Sheriff's Captain. An ex-cop giving cops more power? What a shock. Just like politicians should be banned from being lobbyists (or at least have a moratorium for a minimum of 5 years) ex-cops should be banned from public office (or, again, have a minimum 5 year moratorium). At the very least, they should be prohibited from writing and/or voting on any bills that effect cops. Can we say conflict of interest?!
 
Curious:

If they did set up at backdoor for the Government..

When i purchase said iPhone in Australia, would the backdoor allow the NSA to spy on me? even though i don't live in USA..?
 
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"For the industry to say it's privacy, it really doesn't hold any water. We're going after human traffickers and people who are doing bad and evil things. Human trafficking trumps privacy, no ifs, ands, or buts about it."

As a California resident, I am contacting them with the following quote:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

The cats been long out of the bag on encryption. I remember all these same arguments when PGP went public. There is no going back. You can't get rid of encryption. You can ban it all you want. It's a cat and mouse game that three letter government agencies never will or can win at.
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Well bloody said. And for those here, I wonder how vocal you were or weren't, when Phil Zimmerman was getting harassed constantly about PGP and not having any sort of backdoor in that, and that was the case 25 years ago.

People tend to forget that there is already precedence set for this, in which those proposing backdoors already lost. So while people here are going off the FUD, they aren't getting the fact that this is going no-where.

BL.
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jdoll021 said:
Good! Move to Sac and help get that idiot kicked out of office!
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I'm in Sacramento. I may just walk straight to his office at the Capitol.

BL.
 
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mrkramer said:
It's a bad bill, but if we get companies trying to manipulate the government to that extent it sets an even worse precident and could easily lead to the end of what little democracy we have left.
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The only democracy we have left is at the local level. Above that you have no voice. You can vote for whoever you want but they sure as hell don't represent you or your best interests unless they line up with their best interests. Period.
 
kildraik said:
It is no different. Either way, per time period, they had access to all data.

Then: Mail seizure/reading and phone tapping.

Now: (You get it.)

There's just a lot more data nowadays, and it's all on an itty bitty device that costs $1k-$2k per year to operate.
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That's why Cali already has a law prohibiting this without a warrant. No unfettered access and no fishing trips. That has already been to the Cali SSC.
 
If they become successful in this I hope very smart people start hacking politicians phones as frequently as possible. Hack the government non stop until it becomes abundantly clear encryption is important and valuable to all users.
 
iOSFangirl6001 said:
Sooner or later if someone hasn't yet someone will crack Apple
( or Android on applicable devices )
devices. Heck surprised the Gov hasn't actively sought out all the most skilled black hat hackers and the like they could find and force the issues of trampling over civil liberties
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Getting a skilled hacker to break individual iPhones on high profile cases isn't what the authorities want. The US government already has the most high skilled hackers in the world (and if they aren't the most high skilled, they are up there and the definitely have the best equipment).

They want Apple to simply open up every phone they collect from every two-bit drug dealer as a matter of course. That is the goal. And yes, that would probably make the police's job easier. Though the government already seems fully capable of convicting mammoth numbers of drug dealers every day. Possibly, on a Federal level, this is about being able to continue wide scale surveillance to sweep for activity by "enemies of the State". But on the State level it is just about prosecuting more drug dealers.
 
jdoll021 said:
I'd be right behind you. I hear the "socialist" Scandinavian countries have a very rich and vibrant entrepreneur community.
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Yeah but they won't let you or me in. They are smarter than to let outsiders come in and change their culture and laws.
 
How the hell do they think a backdoor would work? Newsflash, if YOU can use a hole, THEY can use the hole too!
 
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