Camera Lens on iPhone 7 not sapphire. [MERGED]

[chrizzz09]

i'm surprised that all those sites reported on this scratch test, but noone wants to verify it.

Of course they don't want to verify it. Dramatizing things gives them the most clicks

If it would really be true and false advertisement, all those YouTubers would jump on this bandwagon and post "scratch videos" about it just like on the bending issue with the 6.

 

[UKapple73]

There is no difference between "man made" sapphire and natural sapphire. It IS really sapphire.

Why do you doubt they would put any coatings on the lens? Anti reflective coatings are commonly used on lenses and on sapphire watch crystals.

If they put an AR coating on the lens cover then I'm sure they would put it on the INSIDE, thus not compromising the scratch resistance but giving some AR properties, that's what a lot of watch makers do

 

[Neebee]

I'm a long time Apple customer, a sizable investor in Apple, and a scientist. I'm shocked by the number of people in denial and making up all kinds of wild excuses for Apple taking a cost cutting measure. All the justifications above on why the 'sapphire' could scratch w/ a #6 pick are laughable at best if you know anything about hardness testing and Mohs scale. The fact remains he used an industry standard test to show the lens isn't sapphire. I want it to be sapphire as much as the next guy but the evidence doesn't lie. In fact, now that I'm thinking back to the launch, I remember thinking I was surprised they didn't mention a sapphire lens when describing the cameras. I think the most likely explanation is someone just edited the iPhone 6s tech specs for the 7 and didn't remove the sapphire part. Apple has had these kinds of errors on their site in the past.

I have no idea what importance being a "sizeable" investor has to do with the discussion.

It seems you've contradicted yourself because you're "shocked by the number of people in denial and making up all kinds of wild excuses for Apple taking a cost cutting measure. All the justifications above on why the 'sapphire' could scratch w/ a #6 pick are laughable at best if you know anything about hardness testing and Mohs scale".

 

[ash1531]

this should clear all our doubts!!

So for those who didn't understand due to the language, this is spectroscopy test to determine whether it is truly sapphire. and in this video it does prove that this is indeed sapphire in iphone 7 home button and lens cover.

 

[richard371]

Many watch companies like Omega put AR coatings on both sides of the Sapphire crystal and the AR coating does scratch easier then sapphire. I think that's what's going on here.

If they put an AR coating on the lens cover then I'm sure they would put it on the INSIDE, thus not compromising the scratch resistance but giving some AR properties, that's what a lot of watch makers do

 

[born2runak]

this should clear all our doubts!!

So for those who didn't understand due to the language, this is spectroscopy test to determine whether it is truly sapphire. and in this video it does prove that this is indeed sapphire in iphone 7 home button and lens cover.

good find.. hopefully this video puts this whole "controversy" to bed.
I would be curious though why Jerryrigeverything's video did scratch....read lots of theories but nothing definitive

 

[mjjferreira]

I read he's making another one using a similiar tool.

 

[matneh]

My iPhone 7 lens cover is scratched from my pocket and laying it on a table.

Sorry, I haven't read the last 8 pages, has it been determined whether the scratches are from a coating of some sort?

 

[mjjferreira]

Tests indicate it's indeed sapphire!

 

[matneh]

Tests indicate it's indeed sapphire!

Thanks, I'll post some pics when I get home and have another camera. The scratches I have are quite obvious. Just wondering if any non-YouTubers have confirmed this yet.

 

[Lobwedgephil]

Thanks, I'll post some pics when I get home and have another camera. The scratches I have are quite obvious. Just wondering if any non-YouTubers have confirmed this yet.

Phil Schiller has if his word means anything to you.

 

[KillaMac]

Is only partial with the rest being glass. Apple got cheap.

 

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[RedOrchestra]

Lens or Lens cover - from Apple Specs - "Sapphire crystal lens cover"

 

[golfnut1982]

Slight of hand with the words. We "see" sapphire and just assume, oh yeah its sapphire. But in reality, according to the video and patent its a sapphire laminate cover. Oh well, at least the durability level is good enough for the 99%. Better than plain old glass.

 

[Ries]

Is only partial with the rest being glass. Apple got cheap.

It is a anti reflective coating on the inside. But the lens is all sapphire, just a very bad quality (lots of impurities). Apple cheaped out.
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Slight of hand with the words. We "see" sapphire and just assume, oh yeah its sapphire. But in reality, according to the video and patent its a sapphire laminate cover. Oh well, at least the durability level is good enough for the 99%. Better than plain old glass.

Not laminated, it is impure bad quality, just to nikkel and dime us even more. Like the video, I wonder if the watch sapphire is the same impure stuff.

 

[KillaMac]

Lens or Lens cover - from Apple Specs - "Sapphire crystal lens cover"

Yep, but Apple isn't telling the full truth.
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It is a anti reflective coating on the inside. But the lens is all sapphire, just a very bad quality (lots of impurities). Apple cheaped out.
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Not laminated, it is impure bad quality, just to nikkel and dime us even more. Like the video, I wonder if the watch sapphire is the same impure stuff.

No, it's glass not sapphire. The 1 million dollar machine verified that. Did you not watch that video? The watch is all the way sapphire. It's been tested already.

 

[Ries]

Yep, but Apple isn't telling the full truth.
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No, it's glass not sapphire. The 1 million dollar machine verified that. Did you not watch that video? The watch is all the way sapphire. It's been tested already.

Yes i did, you apparently didn't. The glass is a very thin (like 1/100'th of the cover) layer on the inside. The lens is primarily composed of Al and O, which is sapphire. But compared to the watch in the test, it is in the wrong ratio and the iPhone lens cover also has a decent amount of carbon impurities that the watch doesn't have (+the antireflection layer of Niobium).

Up is the inner side.

 

[KillaMac]

Again, it's mostly glass with a thin layer of sapphire. Stop trying to defend the iPhone when they cheeped out and not put a full sapphire lens.

 

[gdeputy]

... No.. It's almost ALL sapphire with a layer of glass on the bottom..

I'm not defending it.. the composition of the watches sapphire is clearly superior.. it's poorly crafted.. but it is sapphire..

Don't get me wrong, it's disappointing, but stop saying it's all glass and a thin layer of sapphire.. that's just downright false.

 

[Ries]

Again, it's mostly glass with a thin layer of sapphire. Stop trying to defend the iPhone when they cheeped out and not put a full sapphire lens.

No it is not, look at the picture I posted from the video. If you're unable to grasp that simple picture, just watch the ****ing video, i've even forwarded to the part, it is not so hard:

It's at 6min 53sec (this forum screws up the forwarded link)

Quote:
"The majority of the lens body is aluminum oxide, which is what we call sapphire"

 

[se1000]

Again, it's mostly glass with a thin layer of sapphire. Stop trying to defend the iPhone when they cheeped out and not put a full sapphire lens.

dude. watch the video again.

 

[ZipZap]

It is a anti reflective coating on the inside. But the lens is all sapphire, just a very bad quality (lots of impurities). Apple cheaped out.
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Not laminated, it is impure bad quality, just to nikkel and dime us even more. Like the video, I wonder if the watch sapphire is the same impure stuff.

A sapphire does not have these impurities...therefore the Apple lens is not a sapphire.

 

[Ries]

A sapphire does not have these impurities...therefore the Apple lens is not a sapphire.

Yeah, that is not how it works. Gold is not gold because is has impurities? Natural sapphire does. However the crystal on iPhone is so bad, it is not more scratch resistant than ION-X glass. While technical containing sapphire, it doesn't do what people expect it to do. The question is, while it technically contains sapphire, it doesn't perform the at the level expected from sapphire, did Apple PR claim a feature it doesn't have?

 

[Taco1933]

It is a anti reflective coating on the inside. But the lens is all sapphire, just a very bad quality (lots of impurities). Apple cheaped out.
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Not laminated, it is impure bad quality, just to nikkel and dime us even more. Like the video, I wonder if the watch sapphire is the same impure stuff.

Yeah, this guy is correct. The video even says so. It's sapphire, just crap quality sapphire. Almost anything that can be made, can be made in varying grades. Is anybody really surprised that sapphire is the same? And further, is anybody surprised a company would used the cheapest possible grade in a situation where it barely matters anyway?