And that's mainly what it comes down to, that and the ability of various other apps that work with Camera Roll to work properly again without having to wait for those apps to change something and update. Really no rational argument against those parts of it.
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Camera Roll is back in 8.1
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Characterize it however you want. You have your preference and I have mine. I don't see why you're in this thread acting like a troll continuously insulting other members for their preferences.
why does the date and geographic location of the photo mean anything?
the old way gave the option to make albums and put whatever photos you wanted in those albums, I sort my photos based on what the photo is of, not the date and logitude latattitude I was in when I took it
I agree that a lot of people have a hard time with change no matter how big or small but the Photos tab is not equivalent to the old Camera Roll. If you sync with iPhoto or aperture, you can set imported photos to automatically sync with photstream which is a great feature. The Photos tab and even Recently Added both include the photostream. Currently, there is no way to know and maintain the photos that I explicitly took with my phone.
The missing camera roll has been brought up since the betas. You can't think everyone being vocal about the change is doing so just because they don't like change. But this is all for nothing since it's being brought back which means Apple caved for all those that "didn't like change" or they felt they made the wrong change.
This should have never changed in the first place. I wish my company would get their *** in gear and renew our Developer account so I can get this loaded to my 6.
Awesome - I hated the "Recenty Added" garbage. Now if I could only figure out how to get rid of my "Panoramas" album.
Oh please. Before iOS8 have you EVER exclaimed that "The Camera Roll is useless it should be removed!"?. Of course not. Nobody has because it was a very basic concept to deposit screenshots, downloads and photos.
The ONLY reason you have changed your position is because you're pretending "I understand Apple better than other people" despite the fact that your compliance is nothing but excuse-making. So drop the condescending attitude towards people who choose to voice an opinion rather than act like puppets.
Change is good. But once in a while Changing Back is better.
Seriously though. The very existence of a 5.5" iPhone is proof positive that Apple has become more open minded towards user opinions so lets hope that the Apple Defenders take a step back and actually listen to the discussions rather than labeling everyone as "Trolls" and "Whiners" for expressing personal wants.
maybe we are not wearing enough summer scarfs and drinking enough pumpkin latte to trully understand apple?
Hm. I just had an idea.
How about three little buttons:
1. "Pictures stored in iCloud"
2. "Pictures stored on iPhone"
3. "Pictures stored on iPhone and in iCloud"
At least then I would know WTF is supposed to be happening.
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Nailed it
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I don't know for sure but if you hit which ever "agree" or "cancel" button I hit at one point Apple will just eat it out of all your devices instantly and it will be gone forever, along with everything that was stored in it.
Sorry, but until they get the mess that is icloud photo library/photo stream sorted out I have no interest in keeping my photos synced up with apple. All my photos are now synced in onedrive. Having the camera roll return is a nice feature.
For those that don't like the 8.0 setup, I just updated my iPad to 8.1 (beta) and thought I'd share that the Albums tab looks to be the same as it did in iOS7, with the addition of the Recently Deleted album. There are separate Camera Roll and My Photo Stream albums. Much better.
Yes, there's a plus icon on the top left to create a new album and specify the album name.
Thanks for working for apple for free and testing stuff for all of us so we can use it without problems :roll eyes: Enjoy your beta!
Other people have different concerns, but for me the camera roll view was much cleaner than the years / collections / moments view is. I don't use my iPhone as a photo album, I use it as a camera. The vast majority of the pictures I take with it are quickly deleted off of it - they're saved (automatically thanks to photostream and iPhoto) to my Mac Mini and some of them, based on use-appropriatness, are saved on one or more of my other iOS devices. The point being, at most times I only have 20 to 50 photos on my iPhone. In part that's to save storage space but primarily it's to avoid the clutter of having lots and lots of pictures on my iPhone. For most of the pictures I take, I just don't need them on my iPhone - I have no use for them there, though I do have use for some of them on some of my other iOS devices.
So anyway, I can understand where for some people - e.g. those that keep a lot of pictures on their iPhone - the moments view makes sense. Perhaps it makes it easier to find particular pictures. And the look is more filled in, meaning they probably have a lot of pictures in each of the date / location subdivisions. But for me, that view is bad - there's a line of text and then one picture and a lot of unused white space, and then another line of text and then one picture and a lot of unused white space, and then another line of text and 2 pictures and a lot of unused line space, and so on...
I have to scroll down quite a bit to get to a given picture even though I only have a few pictures there. With the camera roll, all the pictures are right there together - with no or minimal scrolling - and there isn't all the extraneous mind clutter. To me, mind clutter (e.g the unwanted, for me, text in the moments view and the unused white space) isn't good. It makes for a less aesthetic look and it reduces efficiency. A good UI should present the information that is needed or wanted and nothing more. Making a UI to be used for many people obviously means that, in at least some aspects of it, it will be less than ideal for many of those people - e.g., in this case, plenty of people probably do want the extra information (i.e. dates and locations) that's shown in the moments view. For them it isn't clutter. That's fine. But for me, and others, it is clutter. So it makes for a less desirable UI for us.
All that said, that aspect of the situation - what the views look like - isn't the important one. For me, having both a camera roll and a photostream album - which function independently - is desirable for other, more substantive, reasons. As I said, I don't use my iPhone as a photo album. I don't want all of my pictures on it. The same is true of my 3 iPads - I don't want all my pictures on each of those, I want different kinds of pictures on each based on what those respective iPads are primarily used for. Photostream wasn't originally billed as a permanent back-up or a way to keep the photo albums on various devices synced such that they were all the same. It was billed as an easy, automagical, way to move photos between devices - at least, that was part of the sell. And that's how I've always used photostream, and it's been doing a fabulous job on that front.
I take whatever photos I want without concern for storage capacity or clutter or having to move those photos around or whether or not I'd want given photos to remain on given devices. Then, most of the photos I take are deleted off the original device (typically my iPhone). They remain in photostream though, so the next time I'm at my Mac and think about it I can open iPhoto and there the photos will be - and they'll be permanently saved in iPhoto. Further, the next time I pick up iPad 1 or 2 or 3, I can save any photos from photostream that I want on that device to that device's camera roll. Eventually I'll delete old photos out of photostream. But the point is, I don't want all the same photos on all my devices. Most of them I don't even want on any of my iOS devices, I just want them backed up to my Mac (and then with Time Machine). And I don't want to have to make sure that I've saved particular photos - those that I might want there - to each of my devices before I can feel free to delete them from the original device.
I don't want a photo syncer (or a cloud-based photo backer upper), I want a convenient photo mover - and that's precisely what photostream was. It worked splendidly. Whatever photos I wanted were saved on each of my devices, and deleting them from one device didn't affect the others. As best I can tell - and I experimented quite a bit - as things are now with iOS 8 I can't take a bunch of photos on my iPhone and then delete them from my iPhone's permanent storage and still have them available for my Mac to archive and my other iOS devices to save later. From my perspective, that means the photostream function is broken. For others perhaps, it means the photostream (or now the iCloud Photo Library) function is fixed. So be it, to each his own. But based on my recent inquiries, the way I use photostream is quite similar to the way most of my friends and family use it - at least, most of those that have multiple iOS devices and use photostream.
Anyway, I look forward to the old functionally returning (as an option) with iOS 8.1. At least, I hope it is returning. Can anyone confirm that, not only is the camera roll there and functioning as it used to, there's a separate photostream album and deleting pictures from one doesn't affect the other?
I can only say two things:
1) The fact that Apple is restoring the Camera Roll and previous behavior is a HUGE relief to me. I didn't like the new way they were proposing to do things, and I really like seeing them listen to their users and revert to a more sensible way of doing things.
2) To those complaining and saying the iCloud Photo Library is the way to go: That's awesome for you. Feel free to use it! Enjoy it and the features it brings. The simple truth is that cloud photo storage IS NOT FOR EVERYONE, and the disappearance of the Camera Roll made it VERY CONFUSING for people who don't use it. We need to know what photos are specifically on the device at all times, and the 8.0 way does not let you do that without connecting to a computer.
Thanks for reading my rant.
1) The fact that Apple is restoring the Camera Roll and previous behavior is a HUGE relief to me. I didn't like the new way they were proposing to do things, and I really like seeing them listen to their users and revert to a more sensible way of doing things.
2) To those complaining and saying the iCloud Photo Library is the way to go: That's awesome for you. Feel free to use it! Enjoy it and the features it brings. The simple truth is that cloud photo storage IS NOT FOR EVERYONE, and the disappearance of the Camera Roll made it VERY CONFUSING for people who don't use it. We need to know what photos are specifically on the device at all times, and the 8.0 way does not let you do that without connecting to a computer.
Thanks for reading my rant.
^^^ Eeek, long reply (Carnegie)
So I tested with 8.1 beta on my iPad.
1. Take picture, uploads to photostream. Delete picture in photostream, pic stays in Camera Roll
2. Take picture, uploads to photostream. Delete picture in Camera Roll, pic is removed from photostream
I can see it making sense that the pic be removed from PS when deleted from CR, but I don't think this happened in iOS7. I could be wrong.
So I tested with 8.1 beta on my iPad.
1. Take picture, uploads to photostream. Delete picture in photostream, pic stays in Camera Roll
2. Take picture, uploads to photostream. Delete picture in Camera Roll, pic is removed from photostream
I can see it making sense that the pic be removed from PS when deleted from CR, but I don't think this happened in iOS7. I could be wrong.
Thanks.
Well, for my purposes, that's not good then. You're correct, that's not how it worked in iOS 7 - you could take pictures and then immediately (or almost immediately) delete them from camera roll and they'd remain in photostream so that they could, among other things, be saved on your PC or Mac.
For the second situation, did you check the photostream from a different device? I suppose it's possible that what it does now is delete from the photostream folder on the device that's being used, but leaves it in the photostream folder of other devices. It seems unlikely that they'd set it up like that though.
Anyway, it is what it is. This is really my only complaint with iOS 8, otherwise I like the changes and new functionality. And I've not had the problems with bugs that others seem to have had. I'll figure out a way to make it work for my purposes, it's just that it worked almost flawlessly and so easily for those purposes before.
Deleting from camera roll on my ipad (8.1) deletes it from all photostreams. I checked on my iPhone (8.0) and Aperture.
Went to the Apple Store for a genius appointment and saw this in their slideshow:
Apple gets it. So it looks like everyone understands the importance of the Camera Roll... except for that one guy on the podium talking down to everyone.
I had 1200 photos on my iPhone 5s. Then after updating to 8.0 and selecting that beta option on my iPod (different device) most were deleted on every device leaving me with 37. Doing absolutely nothing except updating to 8.02 a few days ago, without warning about 70 of my old photos reappeared last night around 11pm). This morning the count is up to 1100. A hundred more to go. I have zero idea what's going on.