can mac do this? windows xp can........

[Captain Pyro]

really? i thought key commands are changed for diff programmes from within each package.......not from wihtin OSX.................same as XP.........

programmes are the same on both platforms, to be fair..........

Well, sort of.

The actual applications have their own shortcuts that do specific things, but there's a core of general UI shortcuts, hat you can actually set yourself. I didn't know this until 5 minutes ago!

If you go >system prefs>keyboard&mouse>shortcuts there's a monstor list of all the general UI keys. And you can change them if you want. I wise old geek once told me to always use standard keymaps though as it lessens the pain of using someone else's machine... 😀

 

[iMacmatician]

also xp has mouse keys function.........so you can control the moue pointer with the arrow keys..........

So does Mac OS X.

This is my very biggest hate about switching to apple. Macusers of old all know it as command and call it such, but it isn't always called that on the keyboard, which is oddly poor design. It's all moot anyway, cos usually when you see the shortcut it's written with the funny symbol but pronounced 'command'. A bit like Prince, I suppose!

That's probably the reason why Apple's new keyboards have "command" written on the Command key, and the removed.

 

[Captain Pyro]

Right. How the heck do you exit a program in windows?

ALT-F, X usually does the trick nicely... 😀

Bob, did you see that note about mousekeys in OsX under system prefs>universal access? Don't mean to repeat myself, but I haven't seen them mentioned since and they were something you were particularly interested in I thought...

 

[bob2131]

dudes!!! this thread has gotten DEEEP.

im gonna test it all out and re-read all of this...when i am with my mac tonight and this weekend.

 

[dejo]

alt f4 on windows = lol = big stretch!

No worse, no better than Ctrl-F2 I suppose. 😉

menus on top of the screen? lol
so are they in xp.....what?
menus on both platforms are on top of screen.......

Not exactly. In Windows, the menu bar is at the top of the window, which may or may not be at the top of the screen. See Fitts' Law.

 

[bob2131]

No worse, no better than Ctrl-F2 I suppose. 😉


Not exactly. In Windows, the menu bar is at the top of the window, which may or may not be at the top of the screen. See Fitts' Law.

no but alt f4 is for closing programme or window...but ctrl w works often.

top menu selecting is not stretching fingers on windows xp.....
you wanna be using top menus more, this is used more often, than shutting a window or app down.......

ctrl f2 versus alt on pc..........so widows xp wins.

 

[ezkimo]

Sorry I didnt read through the whole thread, so this may have been covered, but after you press control+f2 you can press 'h' to get to help, or for example 'b' will go to bookmarks in safari.

Then after pressing control+f2, the corresponding letter for the menu, then the down arrow to reveal it, you can type the beginning of the menu option you want and it will go to it. For example, in safari again, control+f2, b, space, O, will select the "Open in tabs" menu option.

 

[dejo]

no but alt f4 is for closing programme or window...but ctrl w works often.

I meant no worse, no better in terms of need-to-stretch. Plus, "often" is less desirable than "always".

top menu selecting is not stretching fingers on windows xp.....
you wanna be using top menus more, this is used more often, than shutting a window or app down.......

Huh? I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

ctrl f2 versus alt on pc..........so widows xp wins.

Didn't realize that this was now a competition.

 

[bob2131]

also....f5 = refresh in windows xp......internet........

can mac do one button refresh??
i know of command and R...........

(ill test out all your other suggestions when i get chance)

 

[bob2131]

how about this...windows xp .....you can press windows button and D and it minimises all open apps/windows and takes you to the desktop....

please tell me mac can do this........

all i seem to be able to do on mac is hide or minimise things one by one.....

 

[shwc]

how about this...windows xp .....you can press windows button and D and it minimises all open apps/windows and takes you to the desktop....

please tell me mac can do this........

all i seem to be able to do on mac is hide or minimise things one by one.....

Use Exposé to get to the desktop (among other uses)
look in the system prefs to set eposé up to activate upon mousing to a corner or by key command.

 

[dejo]

please tell me mac can do this........

Um, F11. Also, check out F9 and F10. Please tell me XP can do those...

 

[bob2131]

man.....just discovered the f11 key....whats that called, when everything just closes and desktop is shown..........

this is getting very complicated.....the function key.....and the settings....

so depending on the users settings....f9 can be expose.....or f3 can be expose.....if f9 is expose......the printed logo of expose is on f3......
man that could get confusing........

all these options are good......but im getting confused......suppose ill find the best trade off soon enough..........sigh.........man........i kinda like one button push of f11 for clean up of screen........as opposed to fn and f11.....

 

[bob2131]

Um, F11. Also, check out F9 and F10. Please tell me XP can do those...

lol
dude......

but say you got 5 packages open.....and you press f11 to go to desktop....but then you wann just have one application on the screen......

when i go to choose one app.....all of them come up....

 

[Hates]

also....f5 = refresh in windows xp......internet........

can mac do one button refresh??

Yes it can, depending on whether or not that key is bound to a laptop function, if it is you can press fn + f5. If you don't want to use the function key all the time you can enable "Use all F1, F2 etc keys as standard function keys" in the keyboard and mouse preferences.

man.....just discovered the f11 key....whats that called, when everything just closes and desktop is shown..........

Now try all those shortcuts with Shift held down 😉

 

[ZiggyPastorius]

lol
dude......

but say you got 5 packages open.....and you press f11 to go to desktop....but then you wann just have one application on the screen......

when i go to choose one app.....all of them come up....

This is what Exposé is for. F3 spreads out all your open windows so that you easily select them when you have many open. So does Fn+F9. Fn+F10 does the same thing, except it highlights all the Windows of the program that is active, while the others stay dark. Fn+F11 makes all your windows move away from the desktop so you can use the desktop. Say you needed to drag a file to a program from the desktop, and had like 10 programs open...You press Fn+F11 to see the desktop, then press F3 (or Fn+F9) while dragging it, which'll show you all your open windows, then just hover over the one you want to drag to, which will make that one active again, and drop. Very easily, and far superior to any sort of space management that Windows does. Plus, if you're on Leopard, there's always Spaces, which makes for even better space management if you need it...And it can be combined with Exposé very well.

 

[Cameront9]

You may want to set up Hotcorners for Expose, especially if you're on a laptop.

You just drag the mouse pointer to the respective corners to trigger Expose...

I have:
Upper left corner: Dashboard
Upper right corner: All windows in Active application.
Lower left corner: All windows (all applications)
Lower right corner: Desktop.

Saves tons of time.

 

[bob2131]

You may want to set up Hotcorners for Expose, especially if you're on a laptop.

You just drag the mouse pointer to the respective corners to trigger Expose...

I have:
Upper left corner: Dashboard
Upper right corner: All windows in Active application.
Lower left corner: All windows (all applications)
Lower right corner: Desktop.

Saves tons of time.

yeah but strains the wrist tons too.
i think id rather set up one of the F keys for thsoe things.
push one button versuse dragging mouse to corner of screen.
actually pushing one button is faster.
depends where the mouse pointer is.....so you ahve to look for the pointer so your eye sight is also getting used, not good really.
least amount of effort is best. least movement. least strain.

 

[iMacmatician]

Um, F11. Also, check out F9 and F10. Please tell me XP can do those...

F11 vs. Win + D… so Mac OS X wins.

also....f5 = refresh in windows xp......internet........

can mac do one button refresh??
i know of command and R...........

Change the keyboard shortcut to F5.

lol
dude......

but say you got 5 packages open.....and you press f11 to go to desktop....but then you wann just have one application on the screen......

when i go to choose one app.....all of them come up....

[Application name] » Hide Others (Option + Command + H).

 

[bob2131]

when you hide an app with the shortcut..............

can you get it back with a shortcut? rather than going to menu? or having to go to dock to show it.........

whats the diff between hiding an app and minimises it?

 

[ZiggyPastorius]

yeah but strains the wrist tons too.
i think id rather set up one of the F keys for thsoe things.
push one button versuse dragging mouse to corner of screen.
actually pushing one button is faster.
depends where the mouse pointer is.....so you ahve to look for the pointer so your eye sight is also getting used, not good really.
least amount of effort is best. least movement. least strain.

Are you sure about this? I don't personally like corner settings, but, I can go from any corner of the screen to another with a flick of my index finger..no wrist movement involved.

 

[bob2131]

Are you sure about this? I don't personally like corner settings, but, I can go from any corner of the screen to another with a flick of my index finger..no wrist movement involved.

yeah i have to reposition my hand wrist angle for the manouvere, slight twist of writst

im on trackpad currently.
so pressing one of F keys is nice and quick and comfortable.

 

[Hates]

can you get it back with a shortcut? rather than going to menu? or having to go to dock to show it.........

I just Alt-Tab to it.

 

[bob2131]

I just Alt-Tab to it.

you mean command and tab.....?

 

[bob2131]

ALT-F, X usually does the trick nicely... 😀

Bob, did you see that note about mousekeys in OsX under system prefs>universal access? Don't mean to repeat myself, but I haven't seen them mentioned since and they were something you were particularly interested in I thought...

alt-f x???????

yeah jsut tried mouse keys.....im on macbook so no number pad so not useable are they? seemed to be all over the place.........


cheers