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Anybody else notice this?

The Bip Bop test stream starts out at pretty low quality, with "Gear 1" appended to the title in the video. While watching on my MBP, after a moment or two, it jumps significantly in quality, and the "Gear 1" changes to "Gear 4".

On my iPhone 4, it starts off at the poor quality "Gear 1", but then the quality jumps a fair bit (but not as high as on my MBP) to "Gear 2".

I'm not certain if that's two different videos being displayed depending on your device that is detected at the outset or if it's auto-detecting the bandwith you're capable of and auto-scaling the video mid-stream. It seems like it may be the latter, which would be exceedingly cool.

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Anybody else notice this?

The Bip Bop test stream starts out at pretty low quality, with "Gear 1" appended to the title in the video. While watching on my MBP, after a moment or two, it jumps significantly in quality, and the "Gear 1" changes to "Gear 4".

On my iPhone 4, it starts off at the poor quality "Gear 1", but then the quality jumps a fair bit (but not as high as on my MBP) to "Gear 2".

I'm not certain if that's two different videos being displayed depending on your device that is detected at the outset or if it's auto-detecting the bandwith you're capable of and auto-scaling the video mid-stream. It seems like it may be the latter, which would be exceedingly cool.

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It's doing the later. That's what's so great about HTTP live streaming. You can go seamlessly from 3G low quality to high wifi quality.
 
Anybody else notice this?

The Bip Bop test stream starts out at pretty low quality, with "Gear 1" appended to the title in the video. While watching on my MBP, after a moment or two, it jumps significantly in quality, and the "Gear 1" changes to "Gear 4".

On my iPhone 4, it starts off at the poor quality "Gear 1", but then the quality jumps a fair bit (but not as high as on my MBP) to "Gear 2".

I'm not certain if that's two different videos being displayed depending on your device that is detected at the outset or if it's auto-detecting the bandwith you're capable of and auto-scaling the video mid-stream. It seems like it may be the latter, which would be exceedingly cool.

Space

ya, it auto adjusts quality.

try the above url.. the bepbop link is only a file, improper for testing :/

You have to dig deeper for the proper url to feed into vlc. I do think Apple's will work, but we won't know until it's live.

arn
 
Quality is awesome. I remember when I used to watch them in the early 00s. Day and night difference.
 
i can't believe i'll actually have to watch this on my iphone in 10 minutes.. *pushing WIFI button* :/
 
"available shortly. Please check back soon."
uhm.. did i see a quicktime webplayer bar there in firefox?
 
seeing as Netflix doesn't stream any video over 720p, it shouldn't be a problem.

arn

I'm pretty sure Netflix has been streaming 720p for a while now to the Xbox 360 and PS3, and recently to the PC and Mac via Silverlight.
 
The Apple definition of open standard is similar to the Microsoft definition: propose something which will be useful for knocking out the competition in some way, ignoring whether it's a fitting open extension and making sure it's first and better implemented on your own platforms. See also <canvas>, the non-HTML HTML element.

I agree. Just because some group says it is a standard doesn't really mean much. Guess what in America, English is sort of a standard as well but nobody goes around forcing people to speak it. RTMP streaming is a technology with oodles of companies supporting it and it works very well.

Of course the only reason why you will never see Apple use RTMP streaming is because none of their iDevices can use Flash so it really wouldn't make much sense now would it. Using RTMP streaming would actually admit that there was something an iPad or iPhone couldn't do.

Sure Flash streaming has it's own issues but HTTP streaming is not the end all solution either. Take it from somebody who works for a company that develops streaming video software, hardware and servies using all forms of streaming from WMV, RTMP Flash and yes even Apple HTTP live streaming. HTTP streaming is nice and it works well to certain devices but then again so is RTMP streaming. The best streaming I have seen currently is Silverlight although the technology never really took off and it is a b%$&h to use and I just do not see a future for it anymore now that Microsoft has pledged support for HTML5 video.

Everybody needs to keep in mind just because HTTP streaming is an open standard does not mean it is the best. It is far from it.

The firewall argument is pointless as well. There is RTMPTE streaming which is tunneled through port 80. the E stands for encrypted by the way which is what some companies in my business want. Without some form of DRM encryption I can tell you without a doubt HTTP will never be the standard and Flash will be around for a long time.
 
that stream was a HUGE bust. Granted, it was ok at times but others times t was really buggy and had a lot of streaming errors where it would just stop and start then reset then stop and start. It made me feel like I was using Windows 3.1. Really terrible.
 
Just watched it, and it had some problems, but it was since to see an HD version of the keynote right away.

As for Chris Martin, holy crap was he terrible. His voice is shot, it was bad.:mad:He was funny though, iChord...lol.
 
i streamed it wirelessly to my phone and went fine. imagine the bandwidth costs for apple were huge on this one. like it live. plus it alienated 90% of the computer market with windows users in the cold.
 
that stream was a HUGE bust. Granted, it was ok at times but others times t was really buggy and had a lot of streaming errors where it would just stop and start then reset then stop and start. It made me feel like I was using Windows 3.1. Really terrible.
I had a few hiccups near the end but it was only dropping frames so I could actually understand what Jobs was saying and showing. The HD quality was quite good (looked great on my 32" 720p HDTV).
 
There was NO way that was "HD" LOL. No way it was 480p.

The quality was really good when it worked, but like others, I had it:
-repeatedly start over from the beginning
-"flicker" between playing and showing a black screen repeatedly
-hmm...I know there was more weird stuff than that. Occasionally lost the picture too, though that was far less annoying than the first two.

At any rate, Apple's old streaming keynotes used to work a LOT better for me, although this had higher quality video (I think) when it was working.

Since I already wrote this for another forum...

-no iPad updates. 4.2 coming later this year. (4.1/4.2 do sound like useful OS updates).

-iTunes 10 today, has an IMO worthless social networking component

-iPod shuffle got physical controls again. (I had a second gen shuffle that died within a few weeks...)

-iPod Nano unbelievably LOST the ability to play video, which IMO is kind of a joke. If anything it seems like an expensive shuffle, with an iPod touch/iPhone style mini-touch screen displaying 4 icons at once. At least it has hardware volume controls.

-iPod classic wasn't mentioned, though I guess they're continuing to sell it. Right now the classic and touch are the only two I'd consider.

-iPod touch-they made it thinner, added two cameras, appeared to add a microphone, and switched to the same 4x resolution IPS screen the iPhone uses. No mention on whether the RAM has been doubled, no mention about clock speeds...so it could be slower than the third gen iPod touch for all we know. It LOOKS like the 2nd gen model has finally been dumped. I think they jumped the 8GB model from second to fourth gen, while increasing the price $30...it's WELL worth $30 for at least 2x the RAM and an ARM Cortex A8 versus an ARM 11.

-Gameroom or whatever it's called is coming in 4.1 I think they said.

-Epic demoed an Unreal 3 engine game, which actually looked amazing in the video, although it sort of seemed like it was all forced perspective stuff-a fighting game-so the graphics may not actually be 1/2 as impressive as they looked.

-AppleTV. Keeps it's name, DOESN'T run iOS programs, drops from $230 to $100. Loses the hard drive and is 1/4 the size. It's a streaming only box. Apple's pricing on content makes no sense, so essentially it's a Netflix streaming box for $100. Now it may end up being a really great one, but there's already been a $100 Netflix streaming box, tons of other products do that too, including a Toshiba Blu Ray player I saw for $130 in an add this week ($180 for a Sony, I think). Sooooo it's somewhat interesting, but I'm not sure it really makes any sense.

It MIGHT let you rent a movie on your computer through iTunes, download it, and then stream it over your network-useful for those of us who have slower network connections, or hate the inevitable jankyness of streaming media.

I continue to think the Mac Mini would make the perfect 'set top box' if only it had Blu Ray. It would handle Blu Ray, DVD, Netflix, Hulu, Apple's stuff, etc., all in one box that idles at 8 watts, and probably boots fast too. Heck, Apple could design a Mac Mini that did all that AND was a great DVR...

So...from my perspective, it's a lot of side-grades. Only really good one is the iPod touch, which (assuming the battery life isn't even worse than before) at least gets a microphone and a higher quality LCD, and MAYBE better hardware too.
 
Fantastic!!

My son and I each watched the live steaming event (me on my iP4 and him on his Touch) and it was amazing. Next best thing to being there at the event. Sure there were a few "hiccups" but the the stream was able to restart on its own and, considering the number of people that were probably watching it at the same time, it was a great success. Being able to simply click on the link on the webpage and view the live stream is an amazing thing!!!!! I'm glad that Apple was willing to test this new technology on such a large scale.

I'm guessing that they were testing the technology that they will be using to stream the movie/TV episode technology that they will be using with the new AppleTV.

Cheers!!!
:):apple:
 
I'm pretty sure it was 720p, I know 480p content when I see it on my 27" iMac. It didn't look nearly as pixelated as it does with 480p.

If it was, it was lower quality than DVD...that's probably where some confusion comes in since sure you can be at 720p and still be sub-DVD quality, that sort of thing.
 
I'm pretty sure Netflix has been streaming 720p for a while now to the Xbox 360 and PS3, and recently to the PC and Mac via Silverlight.
Yes, that's correct. Titles Netflix has in HD are 720p. What he was saying is that Nexflix does 720p but nothing higher res than than that, therefore the 720p limitation on the Apple TV is 720p only isn't a problem.
Of course that doesn't take in to account for when Netflix starts supporting 1080p streams. But for now 1080i/p support on Apple TV would merely serve the purpose if upscaling which your TV already does with a 720p source.
 
At any rate, Apple's old streaming keynotes used to work a LOT better for me, although this had higher quality video (I think) when it was working.

Tell me because I'd really like to know: Which LIVE streaming keynotes are you talking about? :rolleyes:
 
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