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Canalys: Apple Shipped 16% More PCs in 2020, but Still Lags Behind Dell, HP, and Lenovo
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It's amazing how some people don't understand the industry and or the specific buying cycles but still report inaccurate info. The increase in sales has nothing to do with the holiday season!!! The increase in sales across the board is due to the Pandemic and the need for people to work remotely, for students to engage in distance learning in hope of keeping additional people from getting sick. Please study your facts before reporting. Schools are buying equipment across the country in the 10's of thousands at a time so they can provide disadvantaged students the ability to still engage in learning....
People will understand in terms of usability.
People don’t know why they like iPhones, but a huge reason is the silicon makes them a joy to use. Fast, reliable, secure, supported, and works well for years without dropping performance.
Same will be true for the computers with M chips. They will just feel better and people will buy them.
I think literally everyone understands your hard hitting analysis. It just is what it is. No one said the growth will continue forever.
M1 helps too, but Macs have been historically a very stable business. The jump due to pandemic sales is widely understood.
SWAON
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Yes, I'm interested how the new mobile cpus will perform compared to M1 chip. I'm sure the next gen of M1 will outperform everyone again and so on, they cycle of catching up with Apple.
Correct but what I'm saying is people can't attribute Apple's good quarter to the M1. That would suggest that the M1 has made news all the way to the average consumer who doesn't follow tech sites or tech news. These people represent the majority of Apple's customers. It would take at least 24 months of M1 penetration and mega news for people to know that the M1 rocks. COVID is the reason why any of these computer manufactures have had a good year/quarter.
EdwardC
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HP makes very good workstations. If you are a professional CAD user they are a solid choice.
yes, agree...people can understand double the battery life, no more burning heat and all for the same price....so i agree that even grandpa can understand that
People will buy and even the casual windows users will switch thanks to those 2 big things that makes a great laptop a great laptop...big battery life, no more heat and performance, in this order for casual user
still, there are Dell Precision,MSI , Lenovo, Asus ProArt StudioBook Pro line....HP is the last...they heat a lot, the display are no longer that great...and yes, i am also curios why a lot of people still buy HP....and lets not mention that the majority of HP sells dont come from workstations
And how do you propose they know about this BIG battery life and no more burning heat when the majority of Macs still being sold are Intel machines? It requires time and a lot of market penetration. You and the other poster are thinking only as a forum poster and not real life. People on forums tend to be in the know but Macrumors forum members and other forums represent less than 1/10th of a percentage of Apple's customer base. You have to think realistically about this. The M1 is not the reason for Apple's good quarter. That would even make any sense because it hasn't been out much more than a month or so.
word of mouth is an powerful weapon....people will buy them....count on it...
1) Apple marketing
2)people spreding the news
3) apple remove the intel ones , you cant buy a new intel macbook air for ex
Those 3 combined will make the arm Macs selling better over the years....by the end of 2021 mac with arm will be sold even better....dont expect to penetrate a lot the PC industry...but still, the mac sells will be far better by the end of 2021 then it was in 2018-2020
EdwardC
macrumors 6502a
I'm speaking in terms of a desktop class work station. The only two of the above mentioned I would even consider would be a HP Z2 / Z4 or a Dell Precision class. I use HP as the cost was decent as was the warranty and user reliability reports. I use Dell for my monitors which I also use with my Mac Minis (M1, i3 & i5).
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If you take a good look at my last post you'll realize you just said exactly what I said, in different words. Word of mouth, spreading thew news, Apple removing the Intel models....yes! As I said it takes market penetration. You just said what I said. What I also said that it's impossible for the M1 to be the reason Apple had a good quarter as it's been out just over a month. If you think in just over a month (and some people are still waiting for deliveries of this new product) enough people knew about the M1 to give Apple an amazing quarter then I'm highly recommending that you take a course of business 101 because things don't work that way. If you refuse to acknowledge what I'm saying then I'm done here because there's no reasoning with you.
Stella
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Businesses still buy them. HP have their Pavilion range for gaming.
I'm not surprised PC sales have risen, this is due to lockdowns, (1) people wanting to buy gaming machines, and (2), companies having to buy laptops for their employees to be able to work from home, if they'd regularly used desktops.
VanNess
macrumors 6502a
I work for a company that has about 2000 corporate employees and since the beginning of covid, essentially all staff who had an iMac at work was also given a MacBook Pro. Since they took the iMac home to work from home, when they came in the office every couple of weeks, there were no computers in the office to use and no way to print or work while in the office except with their personal iPhone.
For the non art part of the company, 100s of monitors and docking stations were purchased for PC (Dell & Lenovo) use so the staff could keep their work and home setup, just schlep their crappy laptop around. And yes, all the business people get $500 dells which makes me very happy to work in front of a beautiful 27" iMac.
For the non art part of the company, 100s of monitors and docking stations were purchased for PC (Dell & Lenovo) use so the staff could keep their work and home setup, just schlep their crappy laptop around. And yes, all the business people get $500 dells which makes me very happy to work in front of a beautiful 27" iMac.
Art Mark
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I'm going to release a series of guesses based on even more guesses in what shipped into the market and what was actually bought in the market. Then more guesses that there will be a rivalry between Microsoft and Apple. NO WAY!? Really!? OMG these reports are ridiculous.
It would be interesting to see a break down of profit share. Just like with iPhone, Apple would dominate.
I’m hoping with the M series Macs that prices will come down when they aren’t forking over a fortune to Intel for every machine.
I’m hoping with the M series Macs that prices will come down when they aren’t forking over a fortune to Intel for every machine.
Cough cough, said Mr. Strawman.
True.
True. I'm guilty of doing more than my share of moaning, but the purpose is to push Apple forward. I believe Apple is the best of the bunch but that's not an inherent right. Instead it's a title earned by dedication that in recent years has shifted toward iOS and away from MacOS.
Very true. Here in Japan they and Lenovo are also the most common options available for consumers, as well.
In fact, if I do get a new M-series iMac or Mac Pro, I'll likely have to get a burner Windows machine to run 32-bit Windows apps that I regrettably still need to occasionally run (for work). That machine may be HP, simply because they're cheap and dependable.
Not strawman....it’s just high level, Mac is doing well and things like Butterfly Keyboards and small software bugs aren’t hurting sales like people here believe.
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And 95% of everything that Lenovo or HP ships is highly inferior to Apple, yet Apple are about 1/3 in shipments as compared to one and even less in the other. Sales doesn’t always equal quality, the complaints many people have made over the years have mostly been valid IMO. Apple has been slipping on design in recent years...
Ehhh... the 2016-2019 Macbook models were terrible...
Dongle hell, touch bar, butterfly keyboard, and higher pricing than the 2015 models.
Apple should have had way more market share over the last 4 years. But they really messed up the 2016-2019 generation.
