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Cannot wait for Verizon to get iPhone.

longball11 said:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Ver...sage-than-AT-T-last-year-article-a_10763.html

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Ver...ta-usage-from-the-iPhone-article-a_13955.html

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20012011-266.html

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/07/verizon-att-data-usage.html

Hook, Line, Sinker. Done.
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All of them under the lines "Study Says...." from the same source, ABI. Nothing that says, Verizon or AT&T says. Also, data surge is only that, a surge, that it lasts is another thing. If I recall correctly, in the US, the iPhone is still ahead in mobile queries to Google, web connections and such. I think that means more data is being transferred....

There is a reason why AT&T and Verizon don't release such info.

Keep trying son...
 
jav6454 said:
All of them under the lines "Study Says...." from the same source, ABI. Nothing that says, Verizon or AT&T says. Also, data surge is only that, a surge, that it lasts is another thing. If I recall correctly, in the US, the iPhone is still ahead in mobile queries to Google, web connections and such. I think that means more data is being transferred....

There is a reason why AT&T and Verizon don't release such info.

Keep trying son...
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The point is most articles say Verizon > ATT in data usage. You're never gonna see ATT or Verizon analysis. It's gonna be biased and like you said, never released.

Hook, Line, Sinker. Done.
 
longball11 said:
The point is most articles say Verizon > ATT in data usage. You're never gonna see ATT or Verizon analysis. It's gonna be biased and like you said, never released.

Hook, Line, Sinker. Done.
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Most articles based on ONE single research firm which we have never ever heard off. So, again, keep trying. Also, AT&T does release some numbers. As does Verizon, they don't release comparison charts.
 
jav6454 said:
Most articles based on ONE single research firm which we have never ever heard off. So, again, keep trying. Also, AT&T does release some numbers. As does Verizon, they don't release comparison charts.
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It's not one single research. It's more than one. Companies will be biased with numbers when they show numbers.

Hook, Line, Sinker. Done. Finished. Blocked.
 
longball11 said:
It's not one single research. It's more than one. Companies will be biased with numbers when they show numbers.

Hook, Line, Sinker. Done.
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Let's see, so far, all the links you provide are from the same report of that single research firm. So that is hardly conclusive. If you imply that all carriers data are biased, then it may well be that Verizon's traffic is much less than what they say and are just trying to boast numbers to make it look like their phone selections makes some noise and play the iPhone down. Which is something they have done ever since the iPhone came out and they lost the exclusivity.

I already gave you one strong fact. Mobile data usage has been highest on the iPhone OS platform on the actual iPhone. Many research firms have shown that. Android on the other hand, well... much to be desired.

Now, those facts taken into account. Who carries the iPhone? Ah, yes, AT&T. I don't have to finish what that implies.
 
edk99 said:
I just hope when or if Verizon gets the iPhone we split this forum into 2 sub-forums one for ATT and one for Verizon. This way I don't have to hear all the people bitching about how Verizon's network sucks
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I'll be happy to be rid of all the jerks that constantly bitch about people bitching therefore doubling the bitching.

Why haven't the mods locked this pointless thread?
 
jav6454 said:
Let's see, so far, all the links you provide are from the same report of that single research firm. So that is hardly conclusive. If you imply that all carriers data are biased, then it may well be that Verizon's traffic is much less than what they say and are just trying to boast numbers to make it look like their phone selections makes some noise and play the iPhone down. Which is something they have done ever since the iPhone came out and they lost the exclusivity.

I already gave you one strong fact. Mobile data usage has been highest on the iPhone OS platform on the actual iPhone. Many research firms have shown that. Android on the other hand, well... much to be desired.

Now, those facts taken into account. Who carries the iPhone? Ah, yes, AT&T. I don't have to finish what that implies.
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Way to ignore laptop data which is 5x-10x as much data as an iPhone. When AT&T was still stuck on Edge, all the businesses went to Verizon or Sprint for 3G air cards.

Also, recent reports (not from ABI) reflect that Android phones are using more data on average than iPhones. Most likely due to the fact that hardcore geeks seem to go for Android while mainstream users go iPhone.

Sorry, but I worked in wireless for a long time and still keep very close tabs on things. From what I've seen the ABI report is credible. I've seen no strong evidence to prove other than AT&T themselves whining that it's wrong.


jav6454 said:
Because this pointless thread has made some good arguments and discussion on service.
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Haven't read it all...but the original post was pure troll bait.
 
Geckotek said:
Way to ignore laptop data which is 5x-10x as much data as an iPhone. When AT&T was still stuck on Edge, all the businesses went to Verizon or Sprint for 3G air cards.

Also, recent reports (not from ABI) reflect that Android phones are using more data on average than iPhones. Most likely due to the fact that hardcore geeks seem to go for Android while mainstream users go iPhone.

Sorry, but I worked in wireless for a long time and still keep very close tabs on things. From what I've seen the ABI report is credible. I've seen no strong evidence to prove other than AT&T themselves whining that it's wrong.
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I'd like to see such proof. Also, we are not talking laptop connect users here.


Also, I seem to be missing your response to the other thread....
 
Goldinboy17 said:
I was really trying hard to stay off this thread, buy half? Really? Where'd you pull that statistic out of? I'd be floored if 10% of AT&T's iPhone customers left for Verizon if they were to receive it.
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Wicked1 said:
I was simply stating the other person who stated that a lot of ppl would leave, is incorrect, I don't think 1/2 will leave, I think it might be 10% or less.

There were some polls done about AT&T and more then 79% of the ppl on AT&T said they are happy.
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I believe recent polls show about 23% would defect. But of course answering yes in a poll and actually doing it are 2 different things. The number is probably a bit below 20%. But that's still a heck of a lot of AT&T subscribers gone. It would be a significant win for Verizon who already has about a 5% lead on AT&T's subscriber base.


jav6454 said:
I'd like to see such proof. Also, we are not talking laptop connect users here.



Also, I seem to be missing your response to the other thread....
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Why aren't we talking about laptop connect users? They use the same data network. The argument is that Verizon already has a large amount of data users and are prepared to handle more.

And proof of what? That laptops use 5x-10x the data? That's a commonly accepted data point.
 
I've seen traffic analysis from both broadband and cellular providers. Interestingly, they're about opposite in behavior, due to differences in speed and cost.

On landline broadband, peer to peer (video, voip, file sharing, etc) is overwhelming the largest usage, over 2/3 of the traffic. Browsing is about 1/6. Email and other things bring up the rear.

On wireless cell networks, web and email are the largest part of mobile data, followed by video streaming. File sharing and VoIP are tiny.

As far as mobile devices:

The largest type of user of mobile data by far continues to be USB wireless modems on laptops... each laptop user consumes 25x as much data (control + info) as a smartphone.

Interestingly, smartphones account for a disproportionate share of control traffic for their data size, as they're usually moving between cells... unlike laptops which tend to be used in one spot at a time.
 
Also, recent reports (not from ABI) reflect that Android phones are using more data on average than iPhones. Most likely due to the fact that hardcore geeks seem to go for Android while mainstream users go iPhone.
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Yea, and going by these numbers:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704164004575548451269196266.html

Total iPhone data demand is still greater than androids, and they considered all smartphones except BB on verizon for data avaerages. Also the 3g network footprints are vastly different, so AT&T's load is much more concentrated in a smaller footprint.

Also, we are talking 9 million all devices vs. 16.5 million of iPhones only, which means you have 7.5 million more iPhones out there creating "chatter" or signaling congestion in a smaller footprint.

Total data moved by a network doesn't mean **** if you aren't taking into consideration native network coverage area (actual area in units) etc. or density....and to be honest only the carrier really knows these numbers.

I should also add that a lot of the congestion problems came from an imbalance of spectrum between 3g and GSM/EDGE especially right after the 3g launch in which majority of markets were single channel 1900mhz at the time. Things continue to improve as they balance more spectrum from legacy GSM to 3G. In Indy and D.C. area I've seen up to 3 channels this past summer.
 
jav6454 said:
Some people are fanboy and blinded enough by Verizon's sometimes fake ads that they will pay the hefty ETF to jump ship from AT&T. How sorry they will be...:D
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That's funny, because I owned an iPhone 3G, got tired of the crappy service in major cities i traveled to and at home in ATL. Well I paid that ETF and went to an Android on Verizon. Couldn't be happier. Then my company decided to take us off BB to the iPhone4/Good for Enterprise app. All fine and dandy, but my BB on AT&T network worked fine for the most part. Back on the IP4 now and I can hardly get a data connection at a sporting event, the airport, busy parks, etc. Not to mention when in busy areas the number of dropped calls I get.

When that happens I turn on WiFi tether on my android, tether my iPhone 4 to it and I have a data connection. Kind of sad how that has to work.
 
jesus christ, what are you guys arguing about?

im happy verizion is getting the iphone because there will be more iphone users. the more iphone users gives app makers more of an incentive to make better apps. it also means that i will be able to facetime with more of my friends.
 
And for people freaking out about paying a $200 ETF. When I jumped to an Android for my personal phone (on VZW) I paid it, sold my iPhone which paid the ETF AND paid for my Android. That's the good thing about the iPhone - it has an awesome resale value.
 
The crazy thing will be seeing how many iPhones are in the wild once VZW gets it. Apple already doubled the amount of iPhones they've sold this year.

It might reach RAZR status soon, where literally everyone has one.
 
AT&T users won't switch to VZW?

What makes anyone think that Verizon won't have some sort of time sensitive promotion to bring as many AT&T subscribers over as possible? Could be deeply discounted iPhones, could be some sort of reimbursement/credit for the ETF paid to move from AT&T, could be something else. For the chance to crush AT&T subscription levels, Verizon might do a number of seemingly "crazy" things to get people over.

Oh, and by the way, if I moved to VZW- which I might- I'd simply put my AT&T phone up for sale to offset the cost of the new phone. Did it with my 3GS and the net cost of the 4 was less than $50, after owning the 3GS for less than a year!
 
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