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This is why you should actually sit down and read EULA's.

You only have yourself to blame when you sign a contract without reading it.
 
Even HTTPS sites can be keylogged, which are supposed to be encrypted for safety...iOS has done right by us, Android might have sold everyone out

Android didn't sell anyone out the hardware manufacturer did. This is the biggest problem with Android I see (other than it is no where near as refined as IOS) it is open and can be modified by any manufacturer/carrier. The deal Apple has with the carriers is they can't monkey with the phone or its software.

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This is why you should actually sit down and read EULA's.

You only have yourself to blame when you sign a contract without reading it.

There is a South Park Episode about this
 
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Any evidence or actual specific laws or precedents?

Skyhook

Did they win?

The trial has not finished yet

No, it is a Google-Samsung partnership phone manufactured, sold and supported by Samsung. I have a feeling that we will see it reported in Samsungs market share numbers. :)

Samsung Galaxy S is designed, made and owned by Samsung

Nexus line are designed and owned by Google even if the support is made by the manufacturer

Google? Is that a trick question? For example, Google could impose a minimum privacy policy for all licensees of the Android trademark.
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No, is not a trick question.
 
Why are you making up something I didn't say?

If you use proprietary Google apps or Google trademarks such as "Android" or "Nexus", Google has the ability to impose licensing terms to use those apps. Part of those terms could limit the software installed on a device that uses Google apps or trademarks.

Google already does this. Every phone marketed as Android must meet certain requirements. The Nexus line is an obvious example of exactly what I'm talking about.



They don't allow any extra software to be installed. That's why the Nexus line doesn't have the CarrierIQ software.


and then it isn't "Open Source" Your idea would stop HTC from being able to add the Sense GUI on top of Android.
 
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But who would police it, and what would the penalty be?

Google would police it. The penalty would be that they could not sell phones with Google apps or use the Android trademark. Google could also sue for violation of contract.

This isn't a "what if?" kind of thing. Google already enforces licensing restrictions tied to their proprietary apps and trademarks.
 
You are so right.

If users actually read Eula's, TOS, and all other permissions given before using apps, services, et al, they would shy away.

Welcome to the Internet circa 2011.

Most people in the world are incapable of understanding the language in the typical EULA. If they were writing in non-lawyer speak... you would have a point.
 
That is not a concern for device makers. Protection of health information is the responsibility of each healthcare provider... not the tech industry. Apple, Microsoft, HP, are do not make products with HIPPA in mind. Each healthcare IT staff should have a security department that decides what devices are appropriate for accessing their data.

Whatever action you take, you have to think about the consequences. Let's say you enter some office, grab some paper from the rubbish bin that should have been shredded that has been printed on one side only, and donate it to a school. If by bad luck that paper contained material covered by HIPPA and someone finds out, you're in trouble.

Now let's say a company collects information that customers typed into their computers or phones. In my opinion unforgivable in the first place. But _if_ they get information covered by HIPPA by doing this, and it is found out, then they are in deep ****.


This is why you should actually sit down and read EULA's.

You only have yourself to blame when you sign a contract without reading it.

In many countries, any contract between a company and a private person that hasn't been negotiated will fall under consumer protection laws, and many things in such a contract that are unfair to a consumer could never be enforced. On the contrary, if you read the contract, complain, and negotiate better terms, those terms can be enforced, even if they are worse for you than what the law would have given you.

A difference with a EULA for software is that usually a EULA gives you certain rights to use the software, and nothing else does. So disagreeing with the EULA means you have no contract and therefore no rights. On the other hand, the seller cannot give themselves rights in the EULA. Like "by using this software you agree that the seller is allowed to spy on you", that doesn't count.
 
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Google would police it. The penalty would be that they could not sell phones with Google apps or use the Android trademark. Google could also sue for violation of contract.

This isn't a "what if?" kind of thing. Google already enforces licensing restrictions tied to their proprietary apps and trademarks.

Google makes search money from hardware manufacturers installing android.... they aren't going to start telling them do this or you can't use our software we make money from. It is a conflict of interest for them.
 
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This is why you should actually sit down and read EULA's.

You only have yourself to blame when you sign a contract without reading it.

To be fair I doubt the behaviour of the Android version of this software was covered on Android's EULA.

But now that you mention it, it might be covered under your cell contract.
 
Skyhook

The trial has not finished yet

So, it's not evidence.

Samsung Galaxy S is designed, made and owned by Samsung

Nexus line are designed and owned by Google even if the support is made by the manufacturer

No, as I already said, the Galaxy Nexus is a Google-Samsung partnership. Designed and owned by both companies. Hence the combination trademark - Galaxy (Samsung) Nexus (Google).
 
Whatever action you take, you have to think about the consequences. Let's say you enter some office, grab some paper from the rubbish bin that should have been shredded that has been printed on one side only, and donate it to a school. If by bad luck that paper contained material covered by HIPPA and someone finds out, you're in trouble.

Now let's say a company collects information that customers typed into their computers or phones. In my opinion unforgivable in the first place. But _if_ they get information covered by HIPPA by doing this, and it is found out, then they are in deep ****.

The person that didn't shred the paper would be the one to take the fall.
 
Google makes search money from hardware manufacturers installing android.... they aren't going to start telling them do this or you can't use our software we make money from. It is a conflict of interest for them.

They already do. :rolleyes:
 
Whilst of course, none of this it's good. Some will see it as a price worth paying for freedom.

Do you want to live in the free world, where you can go and do as you want, but you might get run over, might get aids, may get food poisoning, might not be able to get a good job etc etc.

Of do you want to like in a safe zoo. You are locked in so no-one can get in to harm you, all your foods are prepared, and your life and what you can and can't do is controlled by others with your best interests at heart?

Is having some bad things possibly happen from time to time a price worth paying for your freedom?

I want freedom of speech, religion, and assembly, and the right to privacy. I want a phone that works without compromising any of the above. I currently have the freedom to buy a phone like that.
 
and then it isn't "Open Source" Your idea would stop HTC from being able to add the Sense GUI on top of Android.

Android is open source. Google apps and the Android trademark are not. They are proprietary. Google already imposes licensing conditions in order use their proprietary apps and trademarks. It is not something new I'm suggesting. I have not suggested anything about preventing HTC from adding Sense.
 
I think you mean another reason not to live in the USA. We have looked at several Android phones in our office on various carriers and from several manufacturers and none have this spyware in it. Looks like its just an American thing.

I added a ;) so you should have read/taken it with a grain of salt.

But I like your "I think you mean another reason not to live in the USA":D
 
But who would police it, and what would the penalty be?

HTC for example fills their Android phones with buggy apps [1] full of security exploits.

It takes time to figure out these things, phones are on the market and then Google finds out.

What happens then? Google demands HTC pull the phone from the market? Google terminates HTC's licence?

Imagine the scandal that would be. All the other manufacturers would run away!

[1] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/30/google_android_security_bug/

Apple seem to have the worst quality control with their iphones. Take the antenna problems, battery dying in hours and the broken proximity sensor for recent problems. And for security what about the pdf exploits where the operating system on your phone can be changed by opening a certain file. :rolleyes:
 
Apple seem to have the worst quality control with their iphones. Take the antenna problems, battery dying in hours and the broken proximity sensor for recent problems. And for security what about the pdf exploits where the operating system on your phone can be changed by opening a certain file. :rolleyes:

Sure, you listed problems that the iPhone has had. But to claim they are the worst, seems like you would need to compare them to everyone else.
 
I don't understand what the hubbub is about. People have massive digital footprints that they are very clueless about.

The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution means nothing when referring to corporations- we all agreed to it in the Terms and Conditions.

truth is bitter. that's why your blunt statement is down ranked.

i will be going back to my motorola razr.

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Google would police it. The penalty would be that they could not sell phones with Google apps or use the Android trademark. Google could also sue for violation of contract.

This isn't a "what if?" kind of thing. Google already enforces licensing restrictions tied to their proprietary apps and trademarks.

Even if Google could do that it would take years before they could force any changes. Reason being is current agreements between google and others would be years long and google would be required to honor it. They could could do something on new players entering but nothing about current ones.
As it has been pointed out before carrierIQ has been in use for years across multiple platforms. It is just now coming to light.
Also it is only in select manufacturers on select carriers.
So far it is HTC and Samsung on Verizon and sprint. AT&T has not been seen using it yet. Nor has any Motorola phones.
 
Even if Google could do that it would take years before they could force any changes. Reason being is current agreements between google and others would be years long and google would be required to honor it. They could could do something on new players entering but nothing about current ones.

Source?
 
Apple is Secure all other platforms are obscure.

Criminals and wannabe criminals should really buy iPhones. Seems lots of criminals are going to be served up long prison sentences based on their Carrier IQ phone data!

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Between the Malware on Android and now this, is the open source really worth it?

Dude, they have Widgets... Mother effing Widgets man.

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You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to accept that every major tech company - Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc - collects information on their users from the devices they distribute. In fact, this is quite obvious in almost every respect.

Prove it then.. You are making accusations that you can not support. It appears you are technologically challenged. Otherwise you would know there is no way to do this without it eventually being discovered.

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This CarrierIQ software seems to be doing a lot more yet there is no feeding frenzy like when Apple was collecting data on transmission towers. Certain websites (*net) went ******* and really distorted certain facts in the Apple incident yet seem to be quiet when it comes to Android handsets with CarrierIQ pre-installed.

This is the odd thing. If Apple had been the prime culprit in this, the internet and media would be blowing up like nobody had ever seen.

It is an amazing double standard, but fortunately Apple is a big boy and can handle it.
 
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