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Originally posted by tazo
Ya know damn well I have given you atleast 10 dollars worth of opinions on political correctness, the caucasian club, and the hypocrisy of not having a club for whites (equal rights for *who*?).
But I'll bite anyway.
The very fact that people connotate the word white with a racist background, and not the word black (black panthers anyone? What about the various pro-black psuedo-terrorist organizations?) is a blatant showing of the hypocrisy in america today, in which the majority is actually seeking the equal rights which minorities already have and have more of.
What always gives me a laugh and then a scowl is that a club for a minority is simply the x minority club, and yet any club dealing with people that are not minorities must parlay to political correctness, bitter sentiment by minorities, and the unequal rights that plague anything that does not call all whites the albino devil.
I think more people need to learn that whites do not equal a lower class in society, like we are treated as of now.
I think not only is it discriminatory to ban the formation of a club to celebrate anything, I think it is even worse to admire clubs for minorities that discriminate against others. Such as the majority of Black Student Unions in America, or the Muslim Club.
Oh and a friend of mine is seeking to have the Muslim Club abolished from my school; separation of church and state: a teacher at the school is running the club.
-tazo
tazo, I do know "damn well" that you have strong opinions on this subject. I just thought your little jibe at me was silly.
Don't mind sayhey;
he just doesn't want caucasians to have equal rights.
It is a mischaracterization of my opinion and I did not take it seriously. If you want to have a serious discussion about this issue, then have at it.
Relative to some of the issues, you have raised, let me start with the use of the terms, "white" and "black" and the connotations of both. I stated my position last night, but I will state it again. There is no such thing as a "white" race or a "caucasian" race or a "black" race from a scientific point of view. The whole idea of dividing people into races on the basis of skin color is racist from the start. We are one species with no subspecies; that is the meaning of the term
Homo sapiens sapiens.
Having said that, all of these words have a history of usage that people should be aware of when they use them. The history of the use of the term "white" or "caucasian" for all people of European descent is one that is intimately tied to many racist movements. Does that mean anyone who uses them is a racist - absolutely not! But it does mean one should be aware of its history. If you want information about the various attempts to classify people into "races" and the racist character of those attempts I would be happy to provide you with it, starting with Linnaeus' early classification schemes. I will repeat, any attempt to place human beings into separate races, done by the use of the terms "black" or "white" or whatever term you want to come up with is just plain wrong.
I also made it clear that use of the term "black" has its own history that is not tied to such an attempt. Its history is one of use to form a positive cultural identity in the face of a society that had sent the not so subtle message that everything associated with African Americans, including skin color, was somehow inferior. It is a very different history.
tazo, you may disagree with my points, but please don't mischaracterize them as wanting "caucasians" to not have equal rights.
Lastly, tazo, you keep talking about how "white" folks are now treated as inferior, but I don't see any hard data to support that. I do know that attempts to divide people on the basis of skin color comes from all ethnicities and it maybe your statements of inequality come from your own experience with being made to feel isolated and inferior, but as a society there is just no evidence to show that we have changed so much that now "white" folks are the subject of institutionalized discrimination.
