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i didn't read all of the pages to see if anyone already noted the irony of the fact that the video talking about how they aren't using flash anymore is A FLASH VIDEO.

Call me back when HTML5 can be used to recreate the homestarrunner.com website.

See you in 2020.

Nice time downloading videos from their site :D
 
Now CBS as well! Adobe is surly losing the online video battle... next will be games...
 
Why does the iPhone OS has to support Flash?

Dunno, maybe because by the end of the year it will be the only major mobile platform which does not?

They don't have to include every site that doesn't use flash, y'know?

No, they don't. But then, your shiny new iPad can only see half the web. The rest is all blue diamonds. All so the sheep doesn't stray away from the walled garden and Jobs can get 30% of every penny you (the sheep) spend.

Apple has a better fleecing scheme than religion - "God" demands only 10%, while Steve takes 30%.


How is it "broken"?

Because you can browse only half the web...
 
Call me back when HTML5 can be used to recreate the homestarrunner.com website.

That is a HORRIBLE website. That is the the epitome of why people should not use flash to make websites, and why real web designers don't make websites in flash.

Using flash to make a website is like making a boat out of sponge. It is fundamentally flawed.

Using flash for a website misses the entire point of the internet and how it works.

You want to use flash to make flash games go for it. You want to use it to wrap videos, go for it, but it will be kind of stupid with the advent of HTML5.

You want to make websites with flash, you have no idea what you are doing and you are guaranteed to make a bad website. Like the one you mentioned above.

The good thing is there is nothing flash offers that can't be done better on iDevices, so there is no loss there at all. From viewing videos to playing games, the experience is available in a superior way.

Back to flash for websites. Seriously, people stop doing this. Flash is not a replacement for HTML. HTML is not hard. Making a website is not hard. Using flash to make a website is simply stupid.
 
Some people are in a bubble. Flash is not dead, it has more future ahead of it than Jobs in his current position.
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Just remember when people like you back in 1994 said that a machine without a floppy drive will never be successful. If Apple wouldn't get rid of the floppy drive we all be using it today in 2010. Understand that technology evolves faster than anything else but the economy slows that evolution to keep selling old technology. Apple always plays that prohibid card once in a while and sometimes wins. I see Steves as a salesman that really understand his business and to move foward sometimes he needs to kill some good old technology. Flash is good but maybe in this part of the evolution its nessesary to end that good tool we all get used to. All changes are not well taken at the beginning... But at the end all of us will love the new technology we hated first. Bye Flash. Say hello to Evolution html5.
 
Just remember when people like you back in 1994 said that a machine without a floppy drive will never be successful.

And they were right, because it wasn't until mid-1998 that a floppy-less desktop machine had good sales.

And, at the same time, spurred huge sales of USB floppy drives ;) .
 
Just remember when people like you back in 1994 said that a machine without a floppy drive will never be successful. If Apple wouldn't get rid of the floppy drive we all be using it today in 2010. Understand that technology evolves faster than anything else but the economy slows that evolution to keep selling old technology. Apple always plays that prohibid card once in a while and sometimes wins. I see Steves as a salesman that really understand his business and to move foward sometimes he needs to kill some good old technology. Flash is good but maybe in this part of the evolution its nessesary to end that good tool we all get used to. All changes are not well taken at the beginning... But at the end all of us will love the new technology we hated first. Bye Flash. Say hello to Evolution html5.

Because disk drives being replaced had nothing to do with CD-Rs and RWs offering a far superior price for the space, or Flash memory prices falling enough to offer a much better faster smaller portable storage medium, or the duribility of disk drives always sucking, or files getting bigger than the disks could hold.

Maybe once HTML5 can do anywhere near as much as Flash can, instead of just playing videos better (again, like I've been saying, streaming videos is by far Flash's worst use), it'll be its natural replacement.
 
Mobile Safari isn't 75% any more. According to statcounter, it's less than 50% in the USA and less than 30% worldwide.

That's still a lot. At the same time, a lot of people here claim they don't miss Flash at all, which means they don't go to websites that use Flash with their iPhone. So why change those websites for people who never come anyway? Kind of a chicken and egg thing.

With the coming ability to make decent Flash 10 apps that run on WP7, Android, Blackberry, WebOS and Symbian devices, I think that mobile Flash apps are going to become very popular to make and use. Each app can run on all devices. Except the iPhone of course.
Yeah they can get Flash on as many devices as possible, but what's the point? It's dying anyway. This whole mess reminds me of the HD DVD vs. BluRay battle. Android phones can enjoy their battery draining CPU hog bloat called Flash, while I can now easily watch video from every major provider now without any added side effects. It won't take long before Android developers notice and Google finally puts the final nail in the Flash coffin; any continued support of it is just a wasted effort.
 
funny that the video clip is in a flash player

My thoughts exactly!

The clip is in the Flash player because that's still the only technology that's available and working. There's still no browser available that fully supports HTML5 and there is not even yet a standard for H.264 video.

So soon we will have dozens of incompatible H.264 video formats - and we will have to pay license fees in order to use them. That's what I call a win! Not for the customers and users, of course, but for the patent holders.

All you people who love the idea of Flash being dead are seriously out of your mind and don't even understand what you're championing. Maybe you should do some thinking on your own once in a while instead of letting His Steveness do the job for you and parroting everything he preaches. There's a simple rule of thumb here: Whatever Steve Jobs champions will cost YOU guys money in the end. And he certainly will never champion a technology that's available free of charge for everyone.

i didn't read all of the pages to see if anyone already noted the irony of the fact that the video talking about how they aren't using flash anymore is A FLASH VIDEO.

Call me back when HTML5 can be used to recreate the homestarrunner.com website.

See you in 2020.
:rolleyes: :D

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skeep5, Cakester, Winni and benpatient: that CBS viddy plays beautifully on my iPad.
You folks must be having DNS issues or something. :confused:
Or... perhaps y'all simply don't know WTF you're talking about.




What an atrocity!!!
Words fail. :)



Edit to clarify: naturally CBS provided an alternate video source for iPad viewers. And also naturally (since Nike does not), i viewed the nike.com "pages" using my MBP. The latter however was an experience i shall aggressively avoid in the future. [ClickToFlash, FTW.]
 
Just remember when people like you back in 1994 said that a machine without a floppy drive will never be successful.

In 1994 it was already pretty clear that there are better options available than floppies. I don't see an equivalently functional alternative to Flash at the moment (maybe in 2012? yes -- but who wants to wait that long).

You might remember that Apple shipped their computers with Zip drives for a while... not exactly a very clairvoyant decision either, don't you think? So how do you know they're not betting on the wrong horse this time, too?
 
almost all flash good devs know a whole boat of html, css, java, php and more. lets make a list of the best html 5 websites.
http://101besthtml5sites.com/

then compare it to www.thefwa.com

html is great and I use it all the time but sometimes it is better to do some things in flash.. each has its uses.

plus apple apps especially on ipad crash all the time.. Yes they do have the heat down low but apple laptops absolutely do not.

one thing i hate about html is every time you click a link the whole page reloads and you get a white flash.. no smooth transitions nothing.. that alone kills me.. yes i understand this is improving with the use of ajax or j-query and such. I just dont get how people dont see the rich interactive experiences possible with flash.. its dope


That is a HORRIBLE website. That is the the epitome of why people should not use flash to make websites, and why real web designers don't make websites in flash.

Using flash to make a website is like making a boat out of sponge. It is fundamentally flawed.

Using flash for a website misses the entire point of the internet and how it works.

You want to use flash to make flash games go for it. You want to use it to wrap videos, go for it, but it will be kind of stupid with the advent of HTML5.

You want to make websites with flash, you have no idea what you are doing and you are guaranteed to make a bad website. Like the one you mentioned above.

The good thing is there is nothing flash offers that can't be done better on iDevices, so there is no loss there at all. From viewing videos to playing games, the experience is available in a superior way.

Back to flash for websites. Seriously, people stop doing this. Flash is not a replacement for HTML. HTML is not hard. Making a website is not hard. Using flash to make a website is simply stupid.
 
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You want to make websites with flash, you have no idea what you are doing and you are guaranteed to make a bad website. Like the one you mentioned above.....

What are you? 85?

Longing for the good old days of simple sites and simple life? When the screens were green and real programmers didn't have to deal with looks and design?

Get an iPad...
 
Why can't I see the video?

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Posted from my iPad

In 1994 it was already pretty clear that there are better options available than floppies. I don't see an equivalently functional alternative to Flash at the moment (maybe in 2012? yes -- but who wants to wait that long).
Welly well well well... I don't get it guv'nor. Why are you posting rubbish?

As indicated in my post above yours, that viddy plays beautifully on my iPad.
Are you actually even in possession of an iPad over there in England as yet?
Or are you YA Flash desperado developer seeing his "talents" laid to waste?

Anyway, kindly stop lying. TIA.
/posted from my iPad.
 
Dunno, maybe because by the end of the year it will be the only major mobile platform which does not?

By the end of the year? I just wet my pant.

No, they don't. But then, your shiny new iPad can only see half the web. The rest is all blue diamonds.

How is it "half the web"?

Does that mean every website has 50% Flash?

All so the sheep doesn't stray away from the walled garden and Jobs can get 30% of every penny you (the sheep) spend.

Apple has a better fleecing scheme than religion - "God" demands only 10%, while Steve takes 30%.

Why does not having flash mean that Jobs can get 30% of every penny I spend?

Because you can browse only half the web...

How is it "half the web"?
 
Welly well well well... I don't get it guv'nor. Why are you posting rubbish?

As indicated in my post above yours, that viddy plays beautifully on my iPad.
Are you actually even in possession of an iPad over there in England as yet?
Or are you YA Flash desperado developer seeing his "talents" laid to waste?

Anyway, kindly stop lying. TIA.
/posted from my iPad.

The American TV companies don't allow video viewing overseas. They wouldn't be able to see it even if it was flash.
 
Please elaborate? what fails. I dont get it. why avoid the experience?
What an atrocity!!!
Words fail. :)



Edit to clarify: naturally CBS provided an alternate video source for iPad viewers. And also naturally (since Nike does not), i viewed the nike.com "pages" using my MBP. The latter however was an experience i shall aggressively avoid in the future. [ClickToFlash, FTW.]

Does this Fail too?
http://wonder-wall.com/
 
Please elaborate? what fails. I dont get it. why avoid the experience?

Does this Fail too?
http://wonder-wall.com/

Well if i have to explain it, then you probably won't agree... but i just think those sites exhibit very poor taste. Also, having the low end of DSL (and then WiFi behind that) means i have to wait almost a minute for those pages to load. It's overkill... too many bells & whistles... all show and not enough go.

I prefer more form and function... and less "flash". Here's a simple example: http://moneyworks.ca/us/products.html

I remember the days when home pages would let us choose flash or non-flash upon entering a site. Apparently now they don't offer that choice much any more. So it goes.

Ubiquity does not a "standard" make.
 
almost all flash good devs know a whole boat of html, css, java, php and more. lets make a list of the best html 5 websites.

I will find it impossible to believe that anyone who makes good websites would EVER choose to make them in flash. Using flash to build a website is essentially just wrapping a flash app in a url. It is not a website, it is a desktop app posted on a web page.

Using flash to build a website means you fundamentally do not understand what the world wide web is or how it works. It has always been intended to be a way to link pages of information together. That is its total purpose and function. Some people can link multiple pages on a topic or subject or idea and come up with a "website" but the core building block and basis of the web are individual web pages. Being able to link to specific pages of information from other pages is integral to how and why the web works.

Flash does not allow that to work, and it is a horrible bastardization and ruination of the world wide web. If people want to make "programs" that people use on the internet, come up with a protocol for it. That is not what the world wide web was ever intended to do in the past, now or going forward.

I would NEVER hire someone to develop web content who thought it was a good idea to make an entire website out of Flash. That is as bad an idea as you can get for web development.

http://101besthtml5sites.com/

then compare it to www.thefwa.com

html is great and I use it all the time but sometimes it is better to do some things in flash.. each has its uses.

plus apple apps especially on ipad crash all the time.. Yes they do have the heat down low but apple laptops absolutely do not.

one thing i hate about html is every time you click a link the whole page reloads and you get a white flash.. no smooth transitions nothing.. that alone kills me.. yes i understand this is improving with the use of ajax or j-query and such. I just dont get how people dont see the rich interactive experiences possible with flash.. its dope


People give this ridiculous examples and I realize that don't really know how HTML works or what it can do.

Again, making a website out of flash is stupid. Anyone who does it is NOT a legitimate web designer/developer. A link that simply runs a flash application with some pseudo like web page in it is NOT a website.

As for your problems with white spaces and pages reloading that is because the world wide web is a link of pages connected together. Clearly you don't understand this. I really think you need to fundamentally understand what the World Wide Web is and how it works and how it has evolved before you continue to try and work as a web developer.
 
Wow, just Wow!

I will find it impossible to believe that anyone who makes good websites would EVER choose to make them in flash. Using flash to build a website is essentially just wrapping a flash app in a url. It is not a website, it is a desktop app posted on a web page.

Exactly.

Q: Why are there Iphone apps?
A: Because HTML is inadequate for many rich internet experiences.

Which, of course, leads to:

Q: Why are there Flash websites?
A: (exercise left to the reader)
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And, this is *exactly* why the turtlenecked one has such a hate for Flash.

Flash would let the website developer bypass the App Store, and avoid the Apple Tax on rich internet experiences. The TO doesn't want that, therefore there's the big, mostly fabricated, push to show that Flash is evil.

The people who still think that Flash is only a wrapper to make portable video feeds are missing the real issue.
 
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