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CES 2012 Kicks off Next Week: Gorilla Glass, Vizio, Windows Phone, Ultrabooks

divinox said:
i need more problem solving skills managing my macs than my pc.
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Problem solving always rests with the user, not the platform.

E.g. I have NO skills problem solving Linux . . . doesn't mean that Linux is crap, just that I (ME . . . Digital Skunk himself) has absolutely no skills whatsoever in dealing with Linux.

inlovewithi said:
I have to agree with that guy, OSX is less flexible, I learned that when I bought my first Mac. It represents Steve Jobs philosophy of not letting the customers mess with things. If you read his book. I guess you would have to be a Windows power user to understand.
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Power user usually implies someone that taxes the hardware of the machine, not the customization of the OS. If I dumped my OSX boxes and went Windows, I'd be a power user instantly without having to know how to change the color of my toolbar.

The flexibility of an OS is still very personal. I could say the same thing about Windows based on it's inability to run any Mac software, or having to dig far and wide for apps like Automator, Digital Color Meter, Daylite, etc.
 
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candybaws said:
I love how people want an iMac without a chin, but then see Vizio's take, which really is remarkably similar to what that'd look like, and scream about how ugly it is.

It's probably the best looking AIO attempt I've seen from a company that's not Apple. In fact, it's cleaner.

It's not Apple logo adorned, therefore it's not wonderful.
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They are just so behind!

Apple's next iMac will float in the air on an iCushion.

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divinox said:
My PC has 2560x1440. W7. Dead silent (more silent than my iMac). A+ build quality. Great design. Argue all you want that Macs are deluxe cars. Doesn't change the fact that no one is stopping you from getting a deluxe PC instead.

p.s.

i need more problem solving skills managing my macs than my pc.

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Agreed, on that one and you might as well list their power supply that shorted after a while.
Apple isn't perfect and I can find plenty of design duds and flaws and ideas that didn't shake out.

The dock wasn't available by Apple initially, but I used one from another company (don't remember)

Haven't been a mouse fan EVER since 1984.

Having to find space to move the mouse around was bad,
dirty (initial) rubber rollers that needed to be cleaned was bad etc.etc.

The second Kensington came out with a trackball I was happily done with any mouse.

Finally caved in an I am using the trackpad now. I like it.

Looking into the past it would be fair to put a pros and cons listing up.

You'd see which side wins in a nanosecond.

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divinox said:
My PC has 2560x1440. W7. Dead silent (more silent than my iMac). A+ build quality. Great design. Argue all you want that Macs are deluxe cars. Doesn't change the fact that no one is stopping you from getting a deluxe PC instead.

p.s.

i need more problem solving skills managing my macs than my pc.

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Agreed, on that one and you might as well list their power supply that shorted after a while.
Apple isn't perfect and I can find plenty of design duds and flaws and ideas that didn't shake out.

The dock wasn't available by Apple initially, but I used one from another company (don't remember)

Haven't been a mouse fan EVER since 1984.

Having to find space to move the mouse around was bad,
dirty (initial) rubber rollers that needed to be cleaned was bad etc.etc.

The second Kensington came out with a trackball I was happily done with any mouse.

Finally caved in an I am using the trackpad now. I like it.

Looking into the past it would be fair to put a pros and cons listing up.

You'd see which side wins in a nanosecond.
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I don't see this being a hit with PC users, maybe those who are already keen to buying a AIO desktop, casual PC users, old folks, etc. It looks like a consumer device, but what I wanna know is how did they fit all the gizzards in that base, and if any of it is actually upgradeable and/or removable. Will they go the Apple route and use laptop graphics cards? I think they would have to.

Also whats that in the picture to the right of everything? Does it come with Volcano vaporizer? If so, call me sold!
 
Digital Skunk said:
Power user usually implies someone that taxes the hardware of the machine, not the customization of the OS. If I dumped my OSX boxes and went Windows, I'd be a power user instantly without having to know how to change the color of my toolbar.
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Being a power user implies a bunch of things. They not only constantly tax the hardware, but they'll happily go into the guts of whatever OS they're using to tweak and prod everything to their exacting specifications. They know exactly what they're doing, and want a bevy of options to do.

Now I'm expecting the usual response of "well you don't have to do that on a Mac", and I'll say "well, you're missing the point". It isn't so much that they have to, so much as they want to.

To use yet another car analogy, it's like me going to a local lot and buying a Trans Am Ram Air. It's gonna be a pretty quick car right off the lot. But if I want to get in there to play around with the engine, or tweak gear ratios, or whatever else I feel like doing to eek a little more performance out of the car, I can. That's a power user.
 
andy721 said:
cheap inners will break within months not years.
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Like what can happen with every other device from every manufacturer on the market.

andy721 said:
please go bankrupt.
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That wont happen any time soon. Go find a comparable TV for the price point ? that's right you cant.

andy721 said:
I highly doubt the picture will look good

products which are utter complete garbage.
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Just goes to show how little you know about Vizio. My Vizio TV cost way less then a high end name brand and has a better picture to boot. my Friend has a Vizio tv and it has not failed yet (going on 5 years old).

They are not America's second best selling LCD TV brand for nothing.
 
DrDomVonDoom said:
I don't see this being a hit with PC users, maybe those who are already keen to buying a AIO desktop, casual PC users, old folks, etc. It looks like a consumer device, but what I wanna know is how did they fit all the gizzards in that base, and if any of it is actually upgradeable and/or removable. Will they go the Apple route and use laptop graphics cards? I think they would have to.

Also whats that in the picture to the right of everything? Does it come with Volcano vaporizer? If so, call me sold!
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This is a hit for PC users who want a nice looking All-in-one computer.
 
thenerdal said:
This is a hit for PC users who want a nice looking All-in-one computer.
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Sadly, Apple is the market for PC all-in-ones. It still reeks of desktop bound laptop though.

Pry the tower from my cold dead hands. That is if you consider some Mini-ITX, ThunderBolt, USB 3.0, and wireless equipped desktop a tower. :rolleyes:
 
Eidorian said:
Sadly, Apple is the market for PC all-in-ones. It still reeks of desktop bound laptop though.

Pry the tower from my cold dead hands. That is if you consider some Mini-ITX, ThunderBolt, USB 3.0, and wireless equipped desktop a tower. :rolleyes:
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Apple isn't the market for PC All-in-ones. There's a lot of PC's that are all-in-ones. Some are even touch screen.
 
candybaws said:
I love how people want an iMac without a chin, but then see Vizio's take, which really is remarkably similar to what that'd look like, and scream about how ugly it is.

It's probably the best looking AIO attempt I've seen from a company that's not Apple. In fact, it's cleaner.




It's not Apple logo adorned, therefore it's not wonderful.
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I actually quite agree. Given that the computer is in the base rather than the screen.. I'm impressed. If I needed a (Windows) desktop PC, I'd be very tempted to buy that.
 
knightlie said:
You shouldn't need to be a "power user," that's the point. My wife can cook a meal without knowing how to repair the oven.

If you need to be a power user to operate your computer then the OS has already failed you.
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That's what is funny about the Windows mentality toward computers. Based on that logic, everyone should be an automobile mechanic to operate a car too. :rolleyes:
 
I've used Mac OS, Windows & Ubuntu, I find them all to be pretty good operating systems. Being an advanced PC user I have never encountered an issue with Windows, at no point has it been slow for me nor have I experience constant crashes.. I use Mac OS simply because I prefer the overall UI & experience over Windows..

So the Mac vs PC argument has always been silly, there are a decent amount of advantages of owning an actual PC & owning an actual Mac.. It all depends on personal preference..

Often people who have issues with Windows do not know how to resolve those issues or avoid them. But Microsoft is not to blame.. What I typically see is when people first buy a PC it works flawlessly, but within a few months or a year they begin to experience performance degradation, whats funny is they don't realize it did not happen on its own, It's almost always due to user mistakes..

Conclusion, If you take the time to learn the OS you'll have little to no issues with them..
 
Yamcha said:
I've used Mac OS, Windows & Ubuntu, I find them all to be pretty good operating systems. Being an advanced PC user I have never encountered an issue with Windows, at no point has it been slow for me nor have I experience constant crashes.. I use Mac OS simply because I prefer the overall UI & experience over Windows..

So the Mac vs PC argument has always been silly, there are a decent amount of advantages of owning an actual PC & owning an actual Mac.. It all depends on personal preference..

Often people who have issues with Windows do not know how to resolve those issues or avoid them. But Microsoft is not to blame..
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Of course they're to blame. Who else would you blame? Who decided to universally-license their OS and lose control of it at a key stage? Who else decided to design an OS that, without maintenance (that the user has to learn), would fall flat on its face every few months?

An OS should be as close to ease of use as a toaster. Once it starts to require user maintenance and babysitting, it's time to go back to the drawing-board and rethink things.

Now OS X is not 100% free from this. Consumers weren't born with knowledge about how use operating systems, but one company makes things a damn sight easier for the user, while the other is still struggling with the consequences of licensing their bloated OS to anyone who can slam together a box.

If I have to roll the dice, I'd rather do it with a vertically-integrated system, knowing that I can probably get on with life a lot sooner. Apparently, more than a few of consumers think this way as well.
 
NuMystic said:
That's not an All-in-one. Note the cube-esque component to the right which is their design answer to the mac mini.




My very first thought upon seeing it.

I'm typing this on an iMac, but if the build quality is solid, the price is right, and it can be hacked to fully run iOS? I'll buy one in a heartbeat. (as will legions of others)

It's the single sleekest design I've seen for an unmodified stock desktop pc since Apple unveiled the (now aging) current iMac design over 2 years ago.
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Nah the cube is the power supply and subwoofer. It is an AIO.
 
Renzatic said:
This man works in the IT department of a Fortune 100 company.
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Been there, done that. I hope you enjoy it. I don't miss the politics of the corporate world one iota. I run my own show (going on 7 years). I could never return to a culture where I would be forced to use Windows again. :D
 
Renzatic said:
Being a power user implies a bunch of things. They not only constantly tax the hardware, but they'll happily go into the guts of whatever OS they're using to tweak and prod everything to their exacting specifications. They know exactly what they're doing, and want a bevy of options to do.

Now I'm expecting the usual response of "well you don't have to do that on a Mac", and I'll say "well, you're missing the point". It isn't so much that they have to, so much as they want to.
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Well, my first point answered this response. If it's tweaking a user is trying to do, then it's user error if you can't figure it out on the Mac. If you are talking about tweaking things in the OS via terminal/unix commands, then it's just a terrible user that sitting in the chair.

If you are talking about turning the tool bar green, then it's still a terrible user in the chair. Squeezing performance out of a car is what I said originally, a power user. Hanging up soft fluffy dice in the rear-view is on the level of changing the font. Either of which you can still do on the Mac.

E.g. my own inexperience using Linux doesn't mean that Linux is not customizable.
 
linux2mac said:
Been there, done that. I hope you enjoy it. I don't miss the politics of the corporate world one iota. I run my own show (going on 7 years). I could never return to a culture where I would be forced to use Windows again. :D
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With your limited technical ability & knowledge that you've demonstrated time and time again, I'm amazed you are still in business.
 
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