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CES 2017: Faraday Future Shows Off 'FF 91' Connected Electric Car for 2018 Release
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Do not take the name of our lord and saviour in vein.
Balderdash.
100 years ago, most of the USA didn't even have electric lights. Now we have LED's.
Your premise is that technology is static.
You can go home now.
I've been following them
On facebook for a while and they have been so hyping this reveal.
The car in my opinion looks hideous and I won't cancel my tesla model 3 order.
Silly to say that they have a faster accelerating car than tesla . A prototype test mule was 0.01 seconds faster to 60mph than a fully kitted out Production Tesla.
I was hoping for something to compete with Tesla but the whole thing looks desperate.
I will now unfollow them on Facebook as they have not lived up to the hype
On facebook for a while and they have been so hyping this reveal.
The car in my opinion looks hideous and I won't cancel my tesla model 3 order.
Silly to say that they have a faster accelerating car than tesla . A prototype test mule was 0.01 seconds faster to 60mph than a fully kitted out Production Tesla.
I was hoping for something to compete with Tesla but the whole thing looks desperate.
I will now unfollow them on Facebook as they have not lived up to the hype
Did anyone else cringe when the main presenters tongue would wiggle and stick out every now and then? I couldn't help but feel like he was about to change into a lizard or snake at any point.
What are the lifetime differences between a gas car and an electric car charged from solar?
I would have to remind you the latest Singapore case with Tesla Model S. The guy who tried import his Tesla from HK also tried to get custom taxes reduced for low pollution. He was actually fined $10K for his car being highly polluting. Singapore authorities converted energy consumption into carbon emission per mile, and that car has that emission is higher that for petrol vehicles.
Yes, oil is problematic. No, electricity is not a panacea.
This short video gives a deconstruction of a Steve Jobs' speech:
https://www.ted.com/talks/nancy_duarte_the_secret_structure_of_great_talks
That was no Steve Jobs speech.
If they had revealed this car last year, targeting a release of this year, they may have competed with Tesla.
Instead, it seems like they've revealed a car that will compete with the 2017 Model S, that they won't release until 2018.
2.39 seconds 0-60 - Tesla announced a software update last month that will be released before the end of this month that brings the 0-60 of the P100D (currently 2.50 seconds) to under 2.40 seconds.
200 kW charging - Musk tweeted last week that they'll reveal a charger that's faster than 350 kW. Reveal could come today, or they may wait until as late as the end of March (wouldn't be like Musk to tease something that's any further away... I wouldn't be surprised at all if the hardware is already present and just a software update is necessary.)
Autonomous parking - Tesla has been doing this (and more) since 2014. Tesla has said the cars will be fully autonomous before the end of 2017, although you may be legally required to sit in the driver seat for now in many areas of the world.
378 mile range - Good for them. Tesla is expected to reveal a 100D soon - possibly today, with a range of between 330 and 350 miles. Maybe by the time FF ships a car Tesla will have a higher range battery. I'll note that Tesla has much lower drag, and gets about 15% more miles per kWh, so they could achieve this range with a 115-120 kW battery... with 130 kW they'd easily break 390 miles EPA.
So all in all - meh, why'd they bother? It's like someone said they built something identical to a Honda, but it's from a Chinese company that's charging more for it. I don't see any front where they're really competitive with Tesla.
Instead, it seems like they've revealed a car that will compete with the 2017 Model S, that they won't release until 2018.
2.39 seconds 0-60 - Tesla announced a software update last month that will be released before the end of this month that brings the 0-60 of the P100D (currently 2.50 seconds) to under 2.40 seconds.
200 kW charging - Musk tweeted last week that they'll reveal a charger that's faster than 350 kW. Reveal could come today, or they may wait until as late as the end of March (wouldn't be like Musk to tease something that's any further away... I wouldn't be surprised at all if the hardware is already present and just a software update is necessary.)
Autonomous parking - Tesla has been doing this (and more) since 2014. Tesla has said the cars will be fully autonomous before the end of 2017, although you may be legally required to sit in the driver seat for now in many areas of the world.
378 mile range - Good for them. Tesla is expected to reveal a 100D soon - possibly today, with a range of between 330 and 350 miles. Maybe by the time FF ships a car Tesla will have a higher range battery. I'll note that Tesla has much lower drag, and gets about 15% more miles per kWh, so they could achieve this range with a 115-120 kW battery... with 130 kW they'd easily break 390 miles EPA.
So all in all - meh, why'd they bother? It's like someone said they built something identical to a Honda, but it's from a Chinese company that's charging more for it. I don't see any front where they're really competitive with Tesla.
I have an all new respect for Elon's stutter saturated events. (yikes)
Also, this is yet another example of, innovation, excitement, commitment, not seen at Apple since Steve's demise.
#firetim
Also, this is yet another example of, innovation, excitement, commitment, not seen at Apple since Steve's demise.
#firetim
This car will not reach the market. The guy behind the company is going broke. The only way it will make it to production is with government assistance. No one in the automotive world see Faraday as anything but a joke.
FYI, comparing 0-60 times in commuter cars is unnecessary. Especially electric commuter cars. It's just marketing for people who don't know anything about cars. It's also the easiest way to turn 300 mile range into 100 mile range. Tesla has nothing to worry about from Faraday. Tesla does have to worry about Elon writing checks with his mouth that the company can't cash. The aggressive push based on Musk's proclamations has lead to quality issues that they're going to have to get sorted. Great customer service only goes so far. They need to get the quality sorted before the start delivering the Leela... I should stop making fun of the nose on the Model 3. I hear Musk may change it before production. Point being, Tesla should concentrate on quality since Faraday isn't a concern.
"A new species" ?
Secretive electric car company Faraday Future today held a press event at CES 2017 where it unveiled its first production vehicle, the autonomous FF 91. The unveiling comes just as Faraday Future has been rumored to be "on the brink of collapse" amid financial difficulties and employee departures.
Faraday Future has been a bit of a mystery despite its ambitious plans to remake transportation with a fleet of intelligent electric cars. Unfounded speculation had at one point suggested Faraday Future might somehow be related to Apple and its Project Titan vehicle efforts, but Faraday's partnership with Chinese electronics company LeEco, which has electric car ambitions of its own, proved otherwise.
Nick Sampson, senior vice president of R&D and engineering at Faraday Future, took to the stage tonight to discuss Faraday's work over the past two and a half years on "reformatting the future of mobility" with a focus on disruption.
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Wow, these guys are full of you-know-what.
FFS x 91.
but why? it seems like folks always go back to how the electricity is produced, yet never look at gas/diesel production the same way.
Folks like to ignore their own bias.
Fact is, both technologies have environmental impacts. Fossil fuels is perceived to be a greater impact because it's the current mainstream with few EV vehicles, but imagine the reverse and you will have enormous environmental impacts from mining cobalt, nickel and other harmful chemicals in the production of Li-Ion batteries and then in the recycling/EOL portion of the battery, which currently occurs around 100K miles. Gas and especially Diesel engines last a multiple of miles longer than EV batteries.
Agreed offshore drilling (see Deepwater Horizon) has its perils and environmental destruction associated with maintaining the status quo, but replacing that with mining for rare earth metals and the run-off/ponds pollution is not really the answer either.
Once our grid is 100% fed by solar, wind & waves, the balance for who's the least polluter may swing in favour of EV, but today the "green factor" is mostly hype. And boy, did they milk that hype in their presentation.
Maybe it's just a trend, but it seems like British accents are a prerequisite for keynote presentations.
Indeed. The attention did not go to the detail, but to the race track, screen.
I don't know how you can come to that conclusion. Are you saying that you're no one?
Why not just run on CNG? Hydrogen Fuel cells use more power to make/split the hydrogen than they produce making electricity, don't they?