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Boy Apple is on a roll.

1) No iPhones 5S until sometime in October
2) Finger ID easily thwarted

Umm, "The iPhone sucks, also, I have to wait too long to get one?"

That's like "The food is horrible. Also, the portions are way too small."
 
last time i checked you can register up to 5 fingers(not all at the same time).. what makes you think he didnt register that middle finger already ? :rolleyes:
The video shows him repeatedly registering only his index finger. That said, I agree it was stupid to have the same person apply the film—it should have been a different person who first tries his/her print, gets rejected, and then tries the film.
 
Hold up, isn't it the same shaky hand the second time around, what's not to say they just added more than one finger print to the phone?

I'm not convinced.


The video shows him repeatedly registering only his index finger. That said, I agree it was stupid to have the same person apply the film—it should have been a different person who first tries his/her print, gets rejected, and then tries the film.

No. Thats how you register a single finger, you can only do one at a time, but have to do multiple touches so the scanner picks up all angles. You can repeat the process as many times as you want adding multiple fingers/users.
 
How about lifting the finger print off the home button and put it in the scanner...

You guys are missing the point.
This is not good as much as I like Apple. The future of fingerprint scanner as Timmy kind of mentioned is using it to make purchases and not just logging into phone - this will be huge opportunity for Apple.
If people can break in and make big purchases like a G4 Jet or Porshe or stuff from Amazon or access into bank accounts with copy of your fingerprint and credit account this is not good sign for fingerprint security for Apple.
If fingerprint security gets big I imagine thieves making a database of fingerprints that thieves can look up and use to break into phones that they steal to make big purchases or transfer money wire accounts from banks.
Back to drawing board or fix Apple.

And yeah that was SHAKEY finger. He must been so giddy nervous he broke into Touch ID with copy of fingerprint. Or on crack, meth, coke. Well now NSA and every law enforcement has found way into your phone as long as they have copy of your fingerprint which they prob do for criminals.
 
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How about lifting the finger print off the home button and put it in the scanner...

I don't believe it would work. The Touch ID scanner is supposed to look at sub-epidermal layers (or whatever). This guy used his OWN finger to unlock his OWN phone - there just happened to be a thin layer in between. The scanner may still have been reading his sub-epidermal details.

This demo is a fail. He should have proven that his phone could be unlocked by someone else.
 
Frankly, most thieves who are going to target Smart phones are looking for a quick few hundred bucks. They aren't looking for a process that will take them hours to do. Why waste several hours of their time (obtaining a good finger print, scanning it, printing it, etc., etc.) when they could just steal another one?

This is silly because any phone can be sold to someone with the abilities to unlock any of these mechanisms. as someone who had their phone recently stolen, the thief did not really care what model or how it was locked, they just took the **** out of my pocket at a festival. i went home and wipe my phone remotely so that my account details and credentials could not be extracted by someone who knows how to do that. the thief is most probably not that same person.

my point is anyone going after you hardware does not care about how you are locking up your personal data. all that **** will be wiped for resale anyway
 
You guys are missing the point.
This is not good as much as I like Apple. The future of fingerprint scanner as Timmy kind of mentioned is using it to make purchases and not just logging into phone - this will be huge opportunity for Apple.
If people can break in and make big purchases like a G4 Jet or Porshe or stuff from Amazon with your fingerprint and credit account this is not good sign for fingerprint security for Apple. Back to drawing board or fix.

I agree. If they combine it with NFC, it will go a long way towards increasing consumer confidence in the tech. I can also see sooner or later, the home button become less of a physical button with this tech.
 
Judging from previous reports on fingerprint replicas for bypassing systems like this one, probably less than an hour.

Didn't you watch the MI movies? It takes a few seconds as most. Like this:

Sexy female agent walks up to the target an starts chatting him up.
Target seems aloof at first, but warms up quickly when she starts playing with the zipper on her jumpsuit.
Funny side-kick agent pickpocket's the target's phone and passes it to...
The gay (suppressed) agent, who scans a print off the back surface of the phone using a device that prints out the fingerprint, all painted, cured, and moistened. He uses this to unlock the phone to learn of a mysterious meeting in Minsk.
Funny side-kick takes the phone back to the target.
Sexy agent drops an earring and while the target retrieves it for her, side-kick slips the phone back into the target's back pocket. Unfortunately he slips a little, bumping the target on the rear. But the sexy agent covers for this by pretending that she was the one who groped the target. See you in Minsk!

Seriously though: it's good for us to know the limits of the technology so we can use it appropriately. What this means is: for most of us, don't worry. There are much simpler ways to accomplish identity theft, so the touch id still seems like a sufficient barrier. Likewise, your personal texts and emails are safe because this is way out of your spouse's, best frenemy's, etc. league. But don't expect it to protect any state secrets or industrial info.
 
I remember this from an episode of Mythbusters too.

This one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAfAVGES-Yc

Is it really a great shock that a finger print scanner can be bypassed? This episode was from 2008.

If Touch ID can be bypassed with a finger print printed onto a blank piece of paper from a regular printer then I'd be somewhat concerned. Still, I have no secrets on my phone worth this kind of effort for someone to break into my phone, but of course that's just me ;)
 
I don't believe it would work. The Touch ID scanner is supposed to look at sub-epidermal layers (or whatever). This guy used his OWN finger to unlock his OWN phone - there just happened to be a thin layer in between. The scanner may still have been reading his sub-epidermal details.

This demo is a fail. He should have proven that his phone could be unlocked by someone else.

Very true, had it been someone else's finger it would have most likely failed
 
News flash: You can bypass someone's fingerprint scanner if they give you their fingerprint
 
So as long as one has access to the actual finger and whatever the heck can take pics at 2400dpi, one can make a "working copy" of it. Seems easier to beat the **** out of someone for the 4-digit passcode.

It's still pretty damn secure no matter what anyone says. The fact that the code is still a measly 4 digits is the weakest link of all.

The four-digit passcode still has a 1/40 chance of you getting the code right.
 
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It's an 5s "space gray"

No it isn't. Find me a picture anywhere of a space grey with a silver side. Does not exist. (Until you scratch the hell out of the anodized black side with change in your pocket.) And, again, the screen dimensions are obviously wrong.
 
the guy who did this should take some courses in fingerprints, or maybe he did, and using it to show off, and do some publicity for himself….

a fingerprint scanner with fake finger detection cost more then 2000 bucks, almost all the fingerprint scanners even the ones that are used for law enforcement can be fooled with a fake print of a finger, it contains all the elements of a real finger (ridges, minutiaes, deltas, cores, etc…)

Only a system equipped with fake finger detection can detect this, and if the iPhone was equipped with one, will make me not wanna buy it for $3000.
 
This doesn't surprise me at all. CCC was able to do this with PC laptops with finger print sensors more than 10 years ago. Apple, ignorant as always, couldn't care less about security concerns.

Relax grasshopper. Dont jump to conclusions on issues you dont understand, or want to understand. Your blind hatred isnt very smart.
 
It's funny how the Apple fanboys try to deny the fact that it's pretty easy to bypass the security of their new gadget. I own Apple products myself so don't get me wrong. But the CCC isn't a joke that claims stuff they didn't test. You just need a fingerprint on a bottle or something like that. And as someone already pointed out. Most of your scanners do 2400 dpi so no problem.

So a thief will have to steal your phone and a bottle with your fingerprint on it?

At least thieves will help solve the littering problem.
 
No it isn't. Find me a picture anywhere of a space grey with a silver side. Does not exist. (Until you scratch the hell out of the anodized black side with change in your pocket.) And, again, the screen dimensions are obviously wrong.

Lol, the 5s isn't the same color as the 5. You could clearly see that in the keynote 2 weeks ago. And i have both a 5 and 5s and yes the side looks like that.
 
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