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Chaos Computer Club Bypasses Apple's Touch ID System (With Copy of Original Fingerprint)

arn said:
which is in itself ridiculous. Phones get stolen and then wiped and sold. You are not that precious a snowflake that someone who steals your phone, wants to read your texts. :)
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True, most stolen iPhone are wiped and sold overseas into gray markets. However, this will circumvent people using fingerprint IDs for accessing fiscal data and transactions.
 
Some of you..

Some of you are so simple, really? This is just another example of how bored people are able to get what they want from anyone if they really want that something, even if it is text or their pathetic IDs. As long as there is something out there for someone to want, there will be those out there who want to get at it, yes, no matter what it takes.

If you got nothing to hide and nothing to lose, you wouldn't be concerned and you wouldn't bother with owning one of these over priced and surveillance enabled gadgets anyways yeah?
 
LOL! If it's 1200 dpi, how the hell a thieves intend to steal your fingerprint? Beside your bf/gf/NSA has a better luck unlocking your device while you a sleep.
 
Any security method only keeps honest people honest.
Denys temptation.

No system in the world will keep a determined person out.


Fingerprint just makes for an easier, convenient way of unlocking.
 
jinspin said:
You guys are missing the point.
If people can break in and make big purchases like a G4 Jet or Porshe or stuff from Amazon with your fingerprint and credit account this is not good sign for fingerprint security for Apple.
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there is no perfect security measure. even some quantum encryption has been cracked already. this is why amazon will call you before the ship you the g4 you bought, and you'll have to get that approved with your credit card co. first. i still think a finger print is pretty boss! there was never a claim that this was fool proof! i think we all knew it was very easy to get around if you really had the intention to.

the problem here is that people don't realize just how easily this stuff is to circumvent. i think as a people we expect that technology is a sort of magic, but it isn't. its man made and exploitable. your best bet with security is redundancy. like a fingerprint, a code and a retinal scan through an entangled photon fiber optic. in this case, if they gouge out your eyes and extort your code from you, but don't know quantum mechanics, they are out of luck. :D
 
But if I want this to be used as the security for my entire house, is it adequate?

I guess so. The odds of the would be intruder having an adequate copy of my fingerprint are much less than the odds of them having a jump key to break through a keyed lock with.
 
So....

Step 1: Spend a lot of money acquiring the items needed to do this
Step 2: Spend time learning to do this
Step 3: Target someone that you want their iPhone
Step 4: Obtain a 2400dp resolution copy of that persons fingerprint
Step 5: Steal that persons phone
Step 6: Use the equipment and your knowledge to get into their phone
Step 7: Look at their stuff b/c if they have Find My iPhone enabled that's all you are doing b/c you can't wipe it w/out the password


Seems like a lot of hassle for common thieves to go through to make a few hundred bucks on a stolen iPhone. I doubt this is made to prevent James Bond and super-spies from gaining access to anyones data. If it takes this to get into the phone, then honestly they've earned the information from all the effort they gave. However, the person should have wiped the phone by then in order to prevent that information from getting out and it's just a paperweight for the thief.
 
madsci954 said:
So everything needed here



is considered "everyday items?" So they are assuming everyone is MacGyver?
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My lord, with all the time it would take to go through this process to rip off a print, you could just get access to a computer, login to your @me account, and lock the phone as being stolen. Not to mention get the location of the idiots that are now spending 30 minutes to moc up a fake print.
 
Let me try this again...

HowEver said:
Jesus, the phone is reading the print through the clear film through to the actual finger.

Show us a break-in with just a photo or the print on paper or whatever.

This one USES THE PERSON'S ACTUAL FINGER.

Not sure why this isn't completely obvious?
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This is a rumor, not fact people!

1) The person in the video does not show their face or talk you through what they are doing.

2) I'm not sure, since I only know english, but, looks like some special program about :35 in. (in blue text).

3) This video shows you nothing about the process to make the fake fingerprint! It's a trick to get you watching the person setting up the fingerprint sensor, then he just takes the supposed fake fingerprint and uses it to supposedly open the phone. ...The link to how-to shows the steps it takes to make the supposed fake fingerprint, which are not easy, not quick, not at all, to say it is easy is B.S.

4) This is not confirmed.

If this is true/real at all, you would have to have something highly valuable on your iPhone for someone to do this much work.

By the way, not shown in this video, your fingerprint has to be lifted from glass. This excludes your iPhone since the screen protector is not glass, and if you don't have one, the coating on the glass smudges fingerprints, so they would have to get it from something else. (Even if I am wrong and they could lift a fingerprint from the iPhone, it would ruin the touch surface by this process.) So the person would have to steal one of your drinking glasses or a glass container you drank from, and have a complete, non-smudged fingerprint. In the how-to linked in the text of this thread, steps 4, 5, 6 look rather involved.

This is a scare tactic, nothing more.

I call B.S.
 
QCassidy352 said:
Well said. No security is perfect. Touch ID will still be a strong protection against most intruders.
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I don't know. If someone tries to lift a fingerprint from say a glass you were drinking in a bar and make it work? Which i think it would. What then? It would be a more common crime than you think.
 
HowEver said:
Jesus, the phone is reading the print through the clear film through to the actual finger.

Show us a break-in with just a photo or the print on paper or whatever.

This one USES THE PERSON'S ACTUAL FINGER.

Not sure why this isn't completely obvious?
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I questioned this same thing. Plus, he's either really cold, or having some sort of withdrawal going on, that shaking isnt normal.
 
benji888 said:
This is a rumor, not fact people!

1) The person in the video does not show their face or talk you through what they are doing.

2) I'm not sure, since I only know english, but, looks like some special program about :35 in. (in blue text).

3) This video shows you nothing about the process to make the fake fingerprint! It's a trick to get you watching the person setting up the fingerprint sensor, then he just takes the supposed fake fingerprint and uses it to supposedly open the phone. ...The link to how-to shows the steps it takes to make the supposed fake fingerprint, which are not easy, not quick, not at all, to say it is easy is B.S.

4) This is not confirmed.

If this is true/real at all, you would have to have something highly valuable on your iPhone for someone to do this much work.

By the way, not shown in this video, your fingerprint has to be lifted from glass. This excludes your iPhone since the screen protector is not glass, and if you don't have one, the coating on the glass smudges fingerprints, so they would have to get it from something else. (Even if I am wrong and they could lift a fingerprint from the iPhone, it would ruin the touch surface by this process.) So the person would have to steal one of your drinking glasses or a glass container you drank from, and have a complete, non-smudged fingerprint. In the how-to linked in the text of this thread, steps 4, 5, 6 look rather involved.

This is a scare tactic, nothing more.

I call B.S.
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Defeating Fingerprint scanners nothing new.
 
Frisco said:
The sensor should included something that detects a human pulse.

Boy Apple is on a roll.

1) No iPhones 5S until sometime in October
2) Finger ID easily thwarted
3) Apple TV Bricking

Bad :apple:

Not going to be good for Apple stock tomorrow.
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I thought Apple would have used something similar to oximeters or the heartrate app but since it's supposed to be sub-dermal that shouldn't be needed and that should itself prove that the capacitors were reading beyond the latex.
 
ElTorro said:
I hate to say it, but this was bound to happen.
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Yup, the ole silicone impression trick has been in use since fingerprinting started. Placing lifted fingerprints in locations throwing off investigations has been part of counter-intelligence operations for decades. It has even been mentioned in spy novels.
 
Superken7 said:
What I am surprised about is that Apple uses something "public" about you, the fingerprints you leave everywhere, as key to your Apple account. Keys should be secret, or very difficult to obtain. Your fingerprint certainly isn't.
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So, Apple should have used toe prints? Or nose prints?

And finger prints are secret to random opportunity thieves. A thief needs to watch somebody place a fingerprint on an object and then get that fingerprint and the phone. This certainly could be done in a coffee shop or a bar but requires more work than a pick pocket snapping a phone.
 
Thought it would take longer than 3 days but I was expecting this:cool:

even if this is not 100% true its a question of time before someone breaks the system
 
Jovian9 said:
So....

Step 1: Spend a lot of money acquiring the items needed to do this
Step 2: Spend time learning to do this
Step 3: Target someone that you want their iPhone
Step 4: Obtain a 2400dp resolution copy of that persons fingerprint
Step 5: Steal that persons phone
Step 6: Use the equipment and your knowledge to get into their phone
Step 7: Look at their stuff b/c if they have Find My iPhone enabled that's all you are doing b/c you can't wipe it w/out the password


Seems like a lot of hassle for common thieves to go through to make a few hundred bucks on a stolen iPhone. I doubt this is made to prevent James Bond and super-spies from gaining access to anyones data. If it takes this to get into the phone, then honestly they've earned the information from all the effort they gave. However, the person should have wiped the phone by then in order to prevent that information from getting out and it's just a paperweight for the thief.
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The big picture future for Apple is to make purchases instead of just logging in. If there is hole people no matter how small people will not trust it esp if it gets in news. It would be awesome to use fingerprint scanner to make purchases at mall or anything on web. But then once someone has your fingerprint you are screwed because that CANNOT be changed.

I imagine if fingerprint security becomes big esp for online transactions - thieves will build huge databases of everyone's fingerprints or crack into police databases that holds fingerprints of criminals. And then match up phone stolen with fingerprints and make purchases, bank wire transfers, transactions. They may not do this for small people but will do this for RICH people who have lots of money. Again it is even more scary because fingerprints cannot be changed so the RICH people are screwed forever.

This is not good sign for Apple.
 
Lol, the things people will do to get some publicity. Love touch ID and much safer and ease of use ESP using your phone in public areas.
 
Inspite of doing all that he still doesnt know that you dont need to press the power button at all. THat's what the ring around the home button is for. :p
 
Frisco said:
The sensor should included something that detects a human pulse.

Boy Apple is on a roll.

1) No iPhones 5S until sometime in October
2) Finger ID easily thwarted
3) Apple TV Bricking

Bad :apple:

Not going to be good for Apple stock tomorrow.
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I want to know the logic that put the green light into the fingerprint sensor. There are very sophisticated biometric scanners that does an deep ultrasound scan where not just the fingerprint but the individual contours of the distal phalanx (the bone of the finger tip) are scanned for matching. Issue with those systems are power and processing time to match. The last one of these had a scanning head about the size of a baseball and not small enough for a form factor such as the iPhone.
 
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