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Charlie Sheen...my idol.

Sure we are all making jokes about Sheen and his antics. Lets not forget 2 other notable comedians that were huge drug users that showed warning signs, Chris Farley and John Belushi. Sheen is in huge denial and will most likely kill himself at some point.
 
This thread made me puke a little in my mouth. The people in this thread who use a person's life as their own entertainment constantly commenting on his every move. Not surprising it's the same people who post the same inane judgements on just about every other celebrity.


Now about that briefcase full of cocaine... 😛
 
MacNut said:
Sure we are all making jokes about Sheen and his antics. Lets not forget 2 other notable comedians that were huge drug users that showed warning signs, Chris Farley and John Belushi. Sheen is in huge denial and will most likely kill himself at some point.
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It's really just sad that he's doing this, and that nobody is trying to stop him, from self destructing. Regardless of what he says or does and how comical all of this may seem to the whole world it's really a terrible thing to watch.

He's completely lost his mind and his kids now. The longer he keeps this up the more he may loose. If this was your best friend or a good family member you would try to stop them from doing this and get them the help they need.

Anyone else who did something like this would end up in jail, or a mental ward and would never work again. He's put many people out of work, and he thinks that he deserves to get paid for all the episodes he's not going to make? His justifications for wanting money are obviously for his expensive drug habit, and lifestyle.

We've lost many good actors and entertainers to drugs and to overindulgence. Not to mention this is what we're bombarded with on a daily basis in music videos, and pop TV. This is the end result of that party lifestyle. It's sad to see, and it's just not funny. I feel really bad for him.

It would be nice if his family would round him up and get him some help before something truly terrible happens.
 
If you look at Charlie's character on the show and really every character he has ever played they all mirror his real life. He has made millions playing a party animal that sleeps around. No wonder he is so delusional now.
 
Is Charlie Sheen a comedian? Is he talented? No. But he does appear to have an emotional health issue that could destroy him.
 
MacNut said:
Sure we are all making jokes about Sheen and his antics. Lets not forget 2 other notable comedians that were huge drug users that showed warning signs, Chris Farley and John Belushi. Sheen is in huge denial and will most likely kill himself at some point.
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I was loosely acquainted with Chris Farley up until his death. It was the saddest thing to watch. Everyone around him was in denial or had just given up. He did try to straighten up for a while right before he died. His last David Letterman appearance alarmed me, and I asked some of his friends about it. They were in complete denial that Chris was on drugs on the show, even though it was quite obvious- Letterman keeps his studio in the mid 60s temperature-wise, and Chris was sweating bullets. I asked a friend of his who was assisting him during that show what happened, and she denied that he had done any drugs. Shortly after, he was dead.

Chris was not my favorite person. He was extremely rude and abusive when he was using. In that short time he was clean before he died, he tried to be really nice to me, but I wasn't having it and was rather curt. Looking back, I don't think I should have done that. I think he was maybe really trying, but I was not close enough to him to know and he had pissed me off enough at that point that I doubted his sincerity. It was a definite case of people around him just not knowing what to do. He had a very sweet, charming, supportive family.

To be clear, Chris was a daily regular at a restaurant I managed at the time. I saw him almost every day for a few years until his death.
 
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MacNut said:
Sure we are all making jokes about Sheen and his antics. Lets not forget 2 other notable comedians that were huge drug users that showed warning signs, Chris Farley and John Belushi. Sheen is in huge denial and will most likely kill himself at some point.
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Sheen's not obese so he's not going to have complicating health issues like an overworked heart/liver/kidneys or cholesterol clogging up his arteries before the drugs even pass through. Sheen's an F18 with firebreathing fists. 🙂


yojitani said:
Is Charlie Sheen a comedian? Is he talented? No. But he does appear to have an emotional health issue that could destroy him.
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He was just in the Bahamas with two babe girlfriends and has a hundred million dollars - destroy me please! 😀

He's living the dream. He's a rock star from Mars. Seriously. Personally, I'd rather be Keith Richards with just two remaining brain cells and lived his life than corporate middle management at the same age with all my brain cells intact.
 
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renewed said:
I would argue they helped themselves. They may have needed some sort of boost but they helped themselves. Someone can make a conscious decision to help themselves if they are strong enough. No one is addicted to alcohol. I would argue people are not addicted to drugs. Mind over will. Try it. Like Charlie said that Nike says, Don't attempt it, "Just Do It".
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So physiological and psychological dependence don't exist then, it's all just a matter of willpower and choice?
 
Makes me wonder if he has always seriously mentally ill, but was always able to hide it with drugs and alcohol and kept refusing treatment.
 
mscriv said:
So physiological and psychological dependence don't exist then, it's all just a matter of willpower and choice?
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They undoubtedly exist, as they're based on biochemical pathways. You can't necessarily change that, at least easily. I don't think that's the point hes trying to make, however, as he does have a point in the willpower effect-- it's basically the same as the placebo effect; your belief in something can have a positive chemical effect upon your bodies pathways. In the case of drug users, this can be seen in the "bottoming out" effect-- the addiction pathway doesn't suddenly flip, in fact in almost all cases it always remains permanently on, rather it's the person and their willpower who decides that they've had enough.

The human mind is an amazing thing, especially in its ability to either alter or deal with modified pathways caused by external stress factors.
 
awmazz said:
He was just in the Bahamas with two babe girlfriends and has a hundred million dollars - destroy me please! 😀

He's living the dream. He's a rock star from Mars. Seriously. Personally, I'd rather be Keith Richards with just two remaining brain cells and lived his life than corporate middle management at the same age with all my brain cells intact.
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He is who he is because of his dad.

Pretty bleak world view you have there. Either a washed up, though rich, drug addict or corporate middle management?

I wouldn't say he's living the dream. Certainly not a life I'd like to live. (could do with some of the cash though!)
 
I made the mistake of turning on the TV news thinking I'd learn something about turmoil in the middle east. No, the news covered Charlie Sheen, Charlie Sheen, and more Charlie Sheen. My mistake.
 
NickZac said:
So we have...
-A few porn stars
-A Ferrari
-A briefcase of cocaine
-Excessive alcohol consumption
-A $30,000 check to a porn star

...how is this any different than 'Two and a Half Men'?

I love this man.
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I agree, and it makes me wonder if the whole thing is a publicity stunt. Like the Joaquin Phoenix "meltdown."
 
eljanitor said:
It would be nice if his family would round him up and get him some help before something truly terrible happens.
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Didn't Charlie say that he's not listening to his dad? That would imply that Martin is trying to clue him in. But as any cop will tell ya, he's an adult and unless he's a clear and present danger to others....

leekohler said:
...Chris was not my favorite person. He was extremely rude and abusive when he was using. In that short time he was clean before he died, he tried to be really nice to me, but I wasn't having it and was rather curt. Looking back, I don't think I should have done that. I think he was maybe really trying, but I was not close enough to him to know and he had pissed me off enough at that point that I doubted his sincerity.
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You have many good qualities, lee, and you just showed us another one: a capacity for introspection; for looking back, recognizing and admitting that you might've made an all-too-human mistake.

A lot of us would probably have done the same thing, were we in your shoes. I take a looooooong time to let people who've wronged me back into my life.
 
darkplanets said:
They undoubtedly exist, as they're based on biochemical pathways. You can't necessarily change that, at least easily. I don't think that's the point hes trying to make, however, as he does have a point in the willpower effect-- it's basically the same as the placebo effect; your belief in something can have a positive chemical effect upon your bodies pathways. In the case of drug users, this can be seen in the "bottoming out" effect-- the addiction pathway doesn't suddenly flip, in fact in almost all cases it always remains permanently on, rather it's the person and their willpower who decides that they've had enough.

The human mind is an amazing thing, especially in its ability to either alter or deal with modified pathways caused by external stress factors.
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Yes, willpower, self control, discipline, and choice do play a major role in the recovery process, but they are not all that is required and it is certainly not an easy or quick process. To say AA or 12 step programs are a "joke" doesn't leave much room for interpretation and is quite different than what you have stated. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'd respectfully disagree based on my profession and experience.

I completely understand people having a hard time with those that use alcohol or drugs as an excuse for things in life, but I'm talking about genuine addiction, not just immaturity. It's much more than "biochemical pathways" and the habitual firing of familiar neurons. The aspects of psychological dependence that affect spirit, identity, and will can be debilitating and are often the most difficult things to change.
 
mscriv said:
It's much more than "biochemical pathways" and the habitual firing of familiar neurons. The aspects of psychological dependence that affect spirit, identity, and will can be debilitating and are often the most difficult things to change.
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Here's where I respectfully disagree...my background is a little different from your own, however I fully understand where you're coming from as a counselor. It is sometimes easy to separate out chemical vs psychological, especially for argument and treatments sake, but it is important to remember that it all reduces down to chemical interactions; emotions, "spirit," thought, identity... everything. Though much of these interactions are not well understood yet, in time they will, and the treatments for those will become much more advanced, and changing them will become far easier, for better or for worse. So in short, yes, I still do believe that it is all biochemical pathways and the habitual firing of neurons-- the complexity of thought and what the initial origins are often are forgotten, especially in light of a lack of complete understanding.
 
Sheen Fired From Two and a Half Men

Can't say that I'm surprised by this. In fact, I am actually kind of happy it has happened.

CNN.com said:
According to a statement from Warner Bros. (which, like CNN, is owned by Time Warner) Charlie Sheen has been fired.

"After careful consideration, Warner Bros. Television has terminated Charlie Sheen’s services on "Two and a Half Men" effective immediately," the statement reads.

As far as the future of the show itself, a CBS spokesperson tells CNN, "No decision has been made."
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http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/07/warner-bros-fires-charlie-sheen/?hpt=C2
 
gkarris said:
Wait, I thought the show was cancelled, then it wasn't, then it is, so what is actually going on?
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The show hasn't been officially cancelled. Before today, they shut down production for the last 8 episodes for this season. Today, they fired Sheen and said they are unsure if the show will go on. Knowing Hollywood, they'll go on with a replacement. Oddly, Sheen replaced Michael J. Fox on his show when Fox quit and it went on for another 2 or 3 seasons.
 
rdowns said:
The show hasn't been officially cancelled. Before today, they shut down production for the last 8 episodes for this season. Today, they fired Sheen and said they are unsure if the show will go on. Knowing Hollywood, they'll go on with a replacement. Oddly, Sheen replaced Michael J. Fox on his show when Fox quit and it went on for another 2 or 3 seasons.
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They can hire Ted McGinley.
 
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