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Charlie Sheen...my idol.

rdowns said:
This is Hollywood we're talking about here. Sheen is hardly through. Look at Robert Downey Jr and Lindsay Lohan. They don't operate in the real world out there.
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Both of them seem to at least be trying to get better. Sheen seems to be embracing his madness and going deeper into it. He's not sorry for anything he's done and seems to be actually proud of it. That doesn't spell "comeback" to me. That spells "checkout". As in, he ain't gonna be with us much longer.
 
mscriv said:
I heard some radio jocks this morning say that they think this whole Charlie Sheen thing is a bit. Kinda like the whole Joaquin Phoenix thing or a radio shock jock who just goes way over the top. Of course the partying and lifestyle is real, but they were talking about this present media tour and the crazy talk he's spouting. It all equals more publicity for him, the network, and the show.

After thinking about it this explanation sounds pretty reasonable. If it's not that, then as many have said he's had a break with reality of some sort and the eventual end is not going to be pretty.
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I watched the Piers Morgan interview......I still think he's ****ing with people.

I've met a bunch of Hollywood types, and for some of them, their reality is not the same as our reality.
 
leekohler said:
All you need to do is look at him to know that it's not a show. He definitely wants publicity, but I don;t think it's going to get him the results he wants. Most people I know are horrified and of the opinion that he just ruined his career. I have to agree.
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I think with both Sheen and his producer (Chuck Lorre) he is fighting against, people will eventually forget this whole mess over what appears to be control on the show. It's not the first time a show's boss and it's top star have clashed. The series makes so much money that some infighting and typically huge and unrealistic egos will end up on page 10, and then disappear. When "Friends" was on, the backstage stories were giant, but now that the show is a memory, people will believe they are "friends". ;)

Sheen has probably always been this out of control, and the same with other actors, producers, directors, and other powerful people in Hollywood. It's sad to see a person sink this low, but it doesn't shock me being in the field he is in with other meltdowns (Kramer-dude, Mel Gibson, Tom Cruise, Phil Spector, and others).

The same field that attracts independent, creative, and motivated individuals has many of those same individuals fashion themselves as larger than life. They start to believe their own press releases.
 
mscriv said:
Hold the phone Lee, are you telling me there isn't going to be another "Hot Shots" sequal! I'm going to have to go lie down for a while. ;)
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Hot Shots: Part Deux Deux

Is is just me, have Emilio and Martin been a bit quiet over this whole fiasco?
 
eawmp1 said:
Hot Shots: Part Deux Deux

Is is just me, have Emilio and Martin been a bit quiet over this whole fiasco?
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Martin criticized his son on the CNN story, but declined to elaborate on specifics concerning the show and the fued with Lorre.

As time goes on, we will see both sides and finally assume all players here are ego maniacs. :)
 
^^ Yep, losing his children could be the catalyst that takes things to a whole new level. If he's faking any of this it will come to an end pretty quickly, at least for his children's sake I would hope so. If he's genuinely lost touch with reality, then getting his children out of that environment might be a good thing.
 
rdowns said:
Emilio? Isn't he still at home waiting for a script for Breakfast Club 2?
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:mad: Emiilo is busy being a director and winegrower, thank you very much :mad: :p

As to Charlie - I'm of two minds - I do think that part of this is definitely publicity. He probably hasn't had so many requests for interviews in years! On the other hand, even though that drug test he took was supposedly negative - I think that's probably a temporary thing and he will back to hitting the crack pipe pretty darn soon if he hasn't started up again already.

As to losing his children - yes it's sad for him, but definitely good for them. although with a drug-addicted mom - perhaps there is a well meaning relative that could step in for the boys? Charlie has 5 kids. His oldest is married I think, so don't know what she has had to deal with. But Denise always had custody of the 2 girls and I think for while there he wasn't even allowed visitation, so sadly, I don't think losing visitation rights is going to change anything for Charlie.
 
MacVixen said:
:mad: Emiilo is busy being a director and winegrower, thank you very much :mad: :p

As to Charlie - I'm of two minds - I do think that part of this is definitely publicity. He probably hasn't had so many requests for interviews in years! On the other hand, even though that drug test he took was supposedly negative - I think that's probably a temporary thing and he will back to hitting the crack pipe pretty darn soon if he hasn't started up again already.

As to losing his children - yes it's sad for him, but definitely good for them. although with a drug-addicted mom - perhaps there is a well meaning relative that could step in for the boys? Charlie has 5 kids. His oldest is married I think, so don't know what she has had to deal with. But Denise always had custody of the 2 girls and I think for while there he wasn't even allowed visitation, so sadly, I don't think losing visitation rights is going to change anything for Charlie.
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I agree, given his state of mind right now, I wouldn't be surprised if this is all Chucks fault too. Charlie doesn't seem to want to take responsibility for his actions. But hey, he is making millions, or was making millions why should he! :)
 
leekohler said:
Well, his kids have been taken out of his custody. Wonder what's next?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/videobeta/?watchId=21c214fa-e879-4539-8ff1-8562b2d5ddbb
http://www.vancouversun.com/enterta...arlie+Sheen+kids+from+home/4371625/story.html
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That's a trip, and it's so sad. However, I think it's best for the kids. With experts seeming to rule out mental illness (which probably doesn't just come on), there seems to be a very strong appearance that he's on drugs.

The thing is I don't know how he allegedly passed a drug test. The guy rants and raves like either a very late stage alcoholic and/or a person on hard drugs. He has openly admitted to lots of drinking and drug use so it's not a stretch to think he's still using and it's a good reason to take the kids away. But more than feeling sorry for him, I really feel sorry for all those who he had hurt.
 
He is living his life. I agree with a lot of his "quotes". AA is crap, people are trolling him and he may just be a rockstar from Mars (Lil Wayne is an alien after all). He seems to love his kids and his women do too. What's worse? Someone with an alternative lifestyle that takes care of their kids or someone with a "great lifestyle" that beats them on the side. They look healthy to me.

People are pissed because he stood up and talked out about Chuck and many people (union members, yuck) are out of jobs for now. If they were still getting paid they wouldn't be whining. Also it shows how powerful he is if a whole production is shut down without him. Should he go on for others? I don't think so. He doesn't agree with it and won't do it.

I say go epic on the world Mr. Sheen.
 
renewed said:
He is living his life. I agree with a lot of his "quotes". AA is crap, people are trolling him and he may just be a rockstar from Mars (Lil Wayne is an alien after all). He seems to love his kids and his women do too. What's worse? Someone with an alternative lifestyle that takes care of their kids or someone with a "great lifestyle" that beats them on the side. They look healthy to me.

People are pissed because he stood up and talked out about Chuck and many people (union members, yuck) are out of jobs for now. If they were still getting paid they wouldn't be whining. Also it shows how powerful he is if a whole production is shut down without him. Should he go on for others? I don't think so. He doesn't agree with it and won't do it.

I say go epic on the world Mr. Sheen.
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+1 If you actually listen to what he says, he makes some pretty good points. I think a lot of people don't listen and just read the headlines, so they assume he is a terrible person. He may not be the best example for kids, but he is doing what he wants with his life because it is... his life, and he seems to be making some pretty strong arguments.
Rock on
 
mscriv said:
What about the millions of people worldwide that it has helped?
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I would argue they helped themselves. They may have needed some sort of boost but they helped themselves. Someone can make a conscious decision to help themselves if they are strong enough. No one is addicted to alcohol. I would argue people are not addicted to drugs. Mind over will. Try it. Like Charlie said that Nike says, Don't attempt it, "Just Do It".
 
63dot said:
That's a trip, and it's so sad. However, I think it's best for the kids. With experts seeming to rule out mental illness (which probably doesn't just come on), there seems to be a very strong appearance that he's on drugs.
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I don't think they're ruling out mental illness.

"To some degree, the media are enablers," Dr. Capretto said. "You don't need to be a psychiatrist to know this is a sick man whose life is spiraling out of control...."
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"He looks bipolar. He's in a particularly manic phase," psychologist Stuart Fischoff tells the website. "His reality testing has been severely impaired, marked by delusions of grandeur. His head now is as large as the moon."
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Dr. Joe Calabrese , director of the Mood Disorders Program at University Hospitals, said it is impossible to diagnose Sheen without a proper examination, but also said he is exhibiting some of the classic signs of the manic phase of bipolar disorder.

“The highs get worse and then people begin to do things that they regret having done,” he said.

Dr. Calabrese said some of the signs include being uninhibited, impulsive, with racing thoughts, jumping from one thing to another, which is also known as “flight of ideas.”
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I would bet this was a problem that's been increasing over time, and his two or three most recent, close-together binges probably brought the disease roaring out.
 
More Sheen madness. Just slightly alarming.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/la-me-charlie-sheen-20110303,0,1251027.story

Sheen pleaded guilty to misdemeanor third-degree assault after the Aspen incident, in which Mueller told authorities that he threatened her with a knife at their holiday home.

In her new allegations, Mueller revealed it was not the first incident. In October 2009, she alleged that Sheen "knocked me to the floor, causing me to hit my head on the corner of a couch. I was knocked unconscious and required medical attention, including a CAT scan."
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svenn said:
but he is doing what he wants with his life because it is... his life, and he seems to be making some pretty strong arguments.
Rock on
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Interesting view.

It is true that Society seems to own each and every one of us, as soon as we are conceived.

Keep that nose to the grind-stone, and work till you die.

Oh, and no suicide attempts, please. We own your body, and we'll tell you when we are finished with it.

</devil's advocate>

leekohler said:
More Sheen madness. Just slightly alarming.
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"I was knocked unconscious and required medical attention, including a CAT scan."
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I wonder if they found anything?? ;) Meow.
 
Thomas Veil said:
I don't think they're ruling out mental illness.

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If so, I agree with Charlie's premise on what would be the result of 'curing' him? It would be the mental version of his Ferris Buellar co-star's physcal 'cure' for her nose. It's what made her her and makes him him.

On Reportedly Being Bi-Polar

“And then what, what's the cure? Medicine? Make me like them? Not gonna happen. I'm bi-winning -- I win here and I win there.”
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I know somebody who was bipolar, and now that it's controlled by medication, he's a functioning, productive person. Before that he was manic, impossible to get along with, and self-destructive. I don't define that as "him".

I myself had a very different personality when I was in the grasp of depression. I damn near broke up my marriage, and I was often cruel to my kids. That wasn't "me". This is me. I look on myself back then and am embarrassed at a lot of what I said and did. Though I try to forgive myself for some of that, the fact of the matter is, I own it and I'll always carry a certain amount of guilt at things I did that I cannot take back.

Sheen only thinks he knows who he is right now.

And just so this post isn't a total downer...another "Who said it?" quiz. Only this one pits Charlie Sheen against Ghadafi and Glenn Beck. :D

I only got eight out of 15. :eek:
 
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