iPhone XS Max China gets better iPhones than the rest of us?

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by janeauburn, Nov 18, 2018.

  1. janeauburn macrumors 6502a


    Nov 22, 2015
    Kinda ridiculous. A true dual SIM phone would be really useful for us world travelers. Too bad only China gets it.

    E-SIM is like a throwback--being tied to a carrier. Practically useless.
  2. Jordan921 macrumors 601


    Jul 7, 2010
    Bay Area
    If you truly need one then purchase one from China. Simple
  3. now i see it macrumors 68040

    Jan 2, 2002
    ESIM can be programmed to any carrier.

    Set ESIM up as your main line at home and use the physical SIM tray for the SIM card you want to use in another country.
  4. JPack macrumors 601


    Mar 27, 2017
    It's what happens when the carriers make the call and Apple concedes. The carriers will activate eSIM service whenever they want, if they want to.

    Unlike the U.S., most consumers in China buy their phones outright. So carriers in China have much less bargaining power to force eSIM.
  5. quietstormSD macrumors 6502a


    Mar 2, 2010
    San Diego, CA
    Not sure if it’s China carriers or US carriers that you are referring to. If it was up to Apple I think they would have dual e-sims.
  6. Fofer macrumors 6502a

    Oct 24, 2002
    Yes but then that main line number only works in 10 countries* currently and doesn't work at all when you travel to any others, which in some instances may defeat the whole purpose of having two numbers.

    *Austria, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Germany, Hungary, India, Spain, the UK, and the US.
  7. JPack, Nov 19, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2018

    JPack macrumors 601


    Mar 27, 2017
    eSIMs give carriers more power. Any provisioning and deprovisioning now go through the carrier. Eventually, carriers will charge admin fees for such transactions.

    Apple acts as a gatekeeper and can limit which carriers have access to eSIM. And charge those carriers an access fee. Of course Apple prefers eSIM.

    In a competitive wireless market, physical SIMs are preferred. That’s why China demands physical SIMs. It prevents Apple and carriers from gaining leverage.
    --- Post Merged, Nov 19, 2018 ---
    Only a handful of carriers support eSIM. More support may come in the next few months and years. But consumers are buying a 2018 iPhone, not a 2020 model.

  8. janeauburn thread starter macrumors 6502a


    Nov 22, 2015
    That's my point. It's like moving backwards, not forwards. Consumers should not have to go through some hassle with the carrier to swap out a SIM. That's BS.
  9. bpeeps macrumors 68030


    May 6, 2011
    Are we moving forward now?
  10. thadoggfather macrumors G4


    Oct 1, 2007
    Tim Cook bends over backwards for the Chinese

    China First mantra from the virtue signaling globalist.

    It makes one wonder if dual SIM would’ve even *cost* more to manufacture.

    ESIM is the solution no one asked for, to have to deal with the carrier’s customer support instead of on the fly hassle free carrier switching.

    Always has to be done Apple’s way, at one’s expense

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