China Threatens to Add Apple, Other US Companies to 'Unreliable Entity List'

[jlc1978]

But we should no longer have to rely on China for ANYTHING.

Unfortunately it's not that simple. China supplies raw materials for electronics, shutting off that supply could disrupt markets until alternative sources can be developed. More importantly, China holds about 5% of US debt, not refinancing that could also cause short term borrowing costs to rise; impacting our economy.

You didn't see the US relying on the Soviets for anything during the Cold War, did you?

Relying is a broad term, and both countries traded during the Cold War and cooperated in other areas as well.

 

[nylonsteel]

un-productive action

 

[NaimNut]

Every single time this topic comes up, there's some armchair president/CEO/quarterback that proclaims that US-manufacturing will solve Apple and America's woes.

Just *assembling* the iPhone is a menial task which will not provide good jobs. Relatively few laborers here in America put up with a high-quality, easy manufacturing jobs like putting automobiles together. Make that a precision (1/100ths of an inch), repetitive task? Yeah. No. Not when you can make more driving Uber, waiting tables, or working retail.

The entire smartphone supply chain from battery manufacturers, to display manufacturers, to the producers of the raw aluminum and steel are all located in Shenzhen, or across Asia (SK in the case of Samsung's AMOLED displays used in the Pro phones). Who, exactly, benefits from Apple shipping raw materials and components to have some American screw them together? Nobody.

Our economy moved away from manufacturing from the 1950s-present because it's low value, low skill work.

AI Robotics

 

[canadianreader]

Threats will only worsen China case. The world is watching.

 

[xnsys]

Best be careful what you say about China, they may release a lab made virus on us all...

 

[laptech]

This bit had me bawling with laughter

"China will take forceful countermeasures to protect its own legitimate rights,"

China does not give a f...k about any other countries legitimate rights so why should the US give a damn about China's legitimate. China does not care who they steal technology from, China does not care who they copy from, China does not care who's land and sea they take, China does not care who they hack. Therefore why should anyone give a damn about China.

It is about time those businesses who moved their manufacturing out of there own country to China, moved them back again. China would face total and uter economic meltdown if the all businesses from the West collectively pulled their manufacturing out of China.

 

[ThomasJL]

It may not be profitable for Apple to bring manufacturing from China back to the U.S., but why not move manufacturing from China to India?

 

[arvinsim]

It is about time those businesses who moved their manufacturing out of there own country to China, moved them back again. China would face total and uter economic meltdown if the all businesses from the West collectively pulled their manufacturing out of China.

As long as company profits > ethics, good luck with that. I would say that shareholders who demand growth to the detriment of everything else are also complicit.

 

[xnsys]

This bit had me bawling with laughter



China does not give a f...k about any other countries legitimate rights so why should the US give a damn about China's legitimate. China does not care who they steal technology from, China does not care who they copy from, China does not care who's land and sea they take, China does not care who they hack. Therefore why should anyone give a damn about China.

It is about time those businesses who moved their manufacturing out of there own country to China, moved them back again. China would face total and uter economic meltdown if the all businesses from the West collectively pulled their manufacturing out of China.

Indeed - just look at how Huawei coped Cisco for many many years, and what's happened now? They are cheaper alternatives and as a result they are being used everywhere - I just hope that the UK decide against going with Huawei for the 5G roll-out...

Huawei Admits Copying Code From Cisco in Router Software - WSJ

But Chinese Company Says It Is Removing

www.wsj.com

Basically, Huawei copied Cisco to get where they are today, removed the code and everybody cheered because they could get cheap crap...

Top Five Cases of Huawei IP Theft and Patent Infringement

exceprt

www.prosperousamerica.org

 

[Guacamole]

western countries needs to stop replying on China. They don't deserve anything (only sanctions)

 

[rp2011]

Manufacturing can come back. But it will be mostly automated. The jobs may be low in quantity, but high in quality.
The reason for outsourcing was simply cost of course. Viability and profitability. So people shouldn’t get into too much of a fervor, develop patriotic angst or politically masturbate over it. Business is agnostic and lays down and goes to bed with willing back scratchers who deliver the goods.

 

[trusso]

Apple is really in a tight spot here.... it’s time to bring manufacturing home... back to America

Good, let them. And hopefully Taiwan escapes more of China's grip over time.

Time to tell China to take a hike break all ties with them and bring manufacturing back home to the states.

We don’t need China. Let’s move away from them.

Not specifically picking on you folks, but I sometimes wonder if the members who post this sort of stuff aren’t 15 years old. Because if you’re a grown adult and you have this pie-in-the-sky idea that unilaterally pulling out of China is going to solve all our problems, then you are severely out of touch with reality.

 

[jjudson]

Every single time this topic comes up, there's some armchair president/CEO/quarterback that proclaims that US-manufacturing will solve Apple and America's woes.

Just *assembling* the iPhone is a menial task which will not provide good jobs. Relatively few laborers here in America put up with a high-quality, easy manufacturing jobs like putting automobiles together. Make that a precision (1/100ths of an inch), repetitive task? Yeah. No. Not when you can make more driving Uber, waiting tables, or working retail.

The entire smartphone supply chain from battery manufacturers, to display manufacturers, to the producers of the raw aluminum and steel are all located in Shenzhen, or across Asia (SK in the case of Samsung's AMOLED displays used in the Pro phones). Who, exactly, benefits from Apple shipping raw materials and components to have some American screw them together? Nobody.

Our economy moved away from manufacturing from the 1950s-present because it's low value, low skill work.

This garbage of "they're just doing the job Americans won't do" is nonsense. These jobs could be -- and many, like farm labor jobs -- were performed by Americans just fine before we decided slave labor was more appealing. Americans didn't just arbitrarily decide these jobs were beneath them, they were convinced of it by watching us hire low-skilled labor for under-the-table pennies-on-the-dollar wages to perform them in their place. Now the jobs are beneath most Americans because we like to fool ourselves into believing it's okay if we hire human rights-challanged countries to use their vassal workforce to build our things instead of getting our own hands dirty. Out of sight out of mind. We even look the other way when we drive past farm fields of laborers picking our vegetables for a pittance.

Slavery hasn't gone away. It's just been more intelligently applied to make us think it's okay.

 

[A MacBook lover]

That would be Arizona. And a requirement for the deal is that TSMC:s business with Huawei and China continues unimpeded.


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Hmm… Xiamoi $500, Huawei $800, Apple $2500. I wonder, how will the market react?

Except one is a Chinese manufacturer, running a google operating system (which is under investigation by the DOJ)

So regardless of the price, I’ll gladly pay extra for my iPhone. Even better subsidized with payments.

At the end of the day, it’s a Chinese knockoff running google spyware.

 

[xnsys]

Not specifically picking on you folks, but I sometimes wonder if the members who post this sort of stuff aren’t 15 years old. Because if you’re a grown adult and you have this pie-in-the-sky idea that unilaterally pulling out of China is going to solve all our problems, then you are severely out of touch with reality.

I understand what your point is, and partially agree - the problem is that we are too reliant on China for anything these days, we don't know what they have managed to sneak into devices, and also the scary backdoors in the 5G Huawei equipment, which has been ruled by the CCP.

Looking at the bigger picture, China as a country isn't the problem, it's the CCP and their attuned - namely the conquest of control over the world, the CCP would love to be the rulers of the world, and that's what they are attempting to do, albeit forcing Chinese manufacturers to install eavesdropping components into it's routers and other telecommunication devices - okay so they are dormant, but who knows if a firmware upgrade couldn't activate these components.

Do we also know for sure that they haven't installed a extra component into other devices that are designed elsewhere, but assembled in China?

As for statements that they are doing jobs that others don't want to do - the statement should be that they are doing jobs at prices others can't afford to be paid.

Pulling out of China is a possibility, and would do wonders for the US economy....if done rights...it would totally kill the Chinese economy flat as a pancake, and that should really worry China - right to the point that I've heard rumours that they are trying to work out ways to interfere with the US elections to ensure Trump doesn't get in again, as they know with Trump in charge their days are likely to be numbered.

 

[The Oak]

Time to tell China to take a hike break all ties with them and bring manufacturing back home to the states.

That's gonna hurt Apple in the short to medium term. In the long term it will be far better to bring manufacturing back to USA.

"Manufacturing" is only part of the story.

China has the largest population in the world; hence, its market and potential for sales is the largest in the world.

By getting kicked out of China, that will decrease sales, and trickle down to manufacturing. Without the sales, it does not matter where the manufacturing is, folks will be out of jobs.

 

[nnoble]

Watching the responses to these threads has shown me that Americans succumb to state led propaganda just as easily as Chinese citizens. Probably true of many other countries too. As for the comment demanding Covid reparations; Kansas / USA would find itself in deficit if it was called on for reciprocal reparations for the ’Spanish’ ’flu.

 

[clayj]

Not specifically picking on you folks, but I sometimes wonder if the members who post this sort of stuff aren’t 15 years old. Because if you’re a grown adult and you have this pie-in-the-sky idea that unilaterally pulling out of China is going to solve all our problems, then you are severely out of touch with reality.

Yeah, no one said that. It WILL solve the issue of being reliant on China for technology, pharmaceuticals, and other things that we need in order to maintain our society.

 

[Bug-Creator]

The world is watching.

Yep, and with every "episode" it will become clearer and clearer that they can't rely on neither of 2 lead actors in this sitcom.

 

[WWPD]

Can the world put China on the "Unreliable Entity" list?

 

[roland.g]

Unfortunately, Donald Trump will be decimating the supply chain of Apple and the labor force, cost, material won't bode well for that scale of quantity in the USA.

I guess there’s always one. Oh well. Forget about the oppressive regime and the spying and the fact that China is at the end of the day bad news and focus on remarks like that instead. Awesome job.

 

[xnsys]

If the government were serious about returning the manufacturing back to the US from China, they should look at tax sanctions - you have to think of where to money goes, and where it gets spent.

For example, if you have items manufactured in China, then money leave the US for good and boosts the Chinese economy, where as if the money was to stay onshore, then the employees would spend it on items needed and therefore the money wouldn't leave, thus making the US economy stronger - it's standard business.

Think of it this way, I could hire a window cleaner and pay xxx per time, but I decided to switch this and pay one of my children xxx instead, but I have also agreed with that child that they need to contribute to rent and food while they are staying at the home, although the costs of my window cleaning has stayed the same, I've now got an additional income coming in, which has raised my cost of living, and my child has an income too, and being taught a valuable lesson that things such as rent and food don't grow on trees....

The same thing would happen in the US if manufacturing was to return, it would become wooden dollars within the country, employment would go up, and as a result there would be more money in the US to spend as it's not being sent abroad for services.

 

[jamezr]

Time for Apple to move all of its manufacturing out of China. There is a workforce available in India that would rival anything china has. Plus bring some of it back here to the US.
The big loser here after all is said and done is China....

 

[IIGS User]

China to add Apple to "unreliable entity list" after typing on butterfly keyboard and having MBP display fail.

Apple says China would be just fine had they purchased Applecare.

On May 18, 2020: Skynet became self aware....

 

[Scottsdale]

Do business in the free world! We should all hope that Apple gets blacklisted by China. It would force Apple to move manufacturing out of China. But unfortunately, it would just move manufacturing to another Communist regime like Vietnam. Eventually though, governments would stop giving tax loopholes for shipping jobs out to countries that want to destroy freedoms not just of their own people but also of the whole world. Just look at the Chinese Communist Party right now influencing people like Tim Cook and companies worldwide like the NBA. Until the companies executives aren’t incentivized to ship jobs away, they will not stop. Tim Cook earned somewhere around $140m in stock grants last year from Apple. Would it be so bad if he did business in the free world and only got $40m in stock grants?????????