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Indeed. It's nearly 10 years now that Siri has been on the iPhone.

Unless it's some new feature of Siri, which was never mentioned in the article, then I don't see any infringement. If they didn't sue 10 years ago, they practically abandoned their patent. If it's some new feature of Siri, they need to state something specific.

you don’t abandon patents by not suing with them. They have a fixed life, and you can obtain damages up to six years back when you file suit.

They also have been very specific. You can’t choose not to read the complaint they filed with the court and then declare that they haven’t been specific.
 
What happens if China invades Taiwan and the US Government is forced to take military action against China. I suspect China would retaliate by blocking US business from doing any business in their country. Something tells me the costs would be a lot higher and that does not even factor in the supply chain shortage/disruption from that kind of event. Apple does not have to bring manufacturing back to the US their are other countries in the world Apple could set up business.
Good point.

Although I think the China/Taiwan/Japan/US/South Korea/G7 political issues will bubble up way before we can "strategically retreat" before moving manufacturing back to other countries.

If China tries to "bomb" Taiwan or even strategically try to "Occupy it", that would be considered destroying it's own nation. And this would be looked at very unfavorably even to Mainland China who enjoy travelling and vacationing in Taiwan and store wealth there.

This wouldn't be handled like the Munich Pact in 1938. Riots would ensue both on the mainland and on Taiwan. Foreign Nationals around the world would likely be kicked out of every country. Every supply chain model would be destroyed. The G7 would have to finally come to a quick consensus on whether China was a partner, competitor or a security threat. They would pick the later if China makes a forceful "military" attack against Taiwan.

This would finally bind the "democratic" worlds against the "autocratic" worlds. China is smart enough to realize that they can not be financially independent of Global Democracies and shouldn't make them their enemy. North Korea, wasn't and are suffering for it. We (Global Democracies) would block shipping from materials companies all around the world that provide raw materials to China. The only "ally" of any size or threat to help them is Russia.

So Xi Jinping wants China to look "large" and "non-intimidated" globally. He hosts mostly "Pro One China" flag waving exercise within the party and moves very slowly. But that said, the CPC also understands what almost all of Global Private Equity wealth companies realize ... that China needs Foreign Investment, Technology Transfer, access to raw materials, Access to Energy, etc to promote their Private Industries. Don't flex on Taiwan just to flex on it.

China doesn't have a sizeable global navy to protect it's global interests either. So while China is definitely the biggest threat to Democracies in the world, I don't think China needs to punch itself in the face right now either.
 
Where in the US are you going to find half a million workers in the US who have the necessary skills, are available, and all live in (or can relocate themselves to) the same county?
You don’t need half a million all on the same county. You can also have multiple factories. In the US we can train people to work those jobs and pay them fairly. Apple can sell the phones for the same cost and pay its employees fairly
 
You don’t need half a million all on the same county. You can also have multiple factories. In the US we can train people to work those jobs and pay them fairly. Apple can sell the phones for the same cost and pay its employees fairly
Few Americans would want those jobs. They are worse jobs than all the service sector jobs that are already going unfilled..
 
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Few Americans would want those jobs. They are worse jobs than all the service sector jobs that are already going unfilled..

There are over a quarter-million assembly-line workers in the US earning an average of $25,000 per year. One would expect Apple would pay more (at the $15 minimum wage many municipalities have, that would be closer to $31,000 so I could see that a reasonable minimum) and one would expect they would receive the same benefits of at least the Apple Store workers.

The biggest staffing issue, IMO, is the significant ramps up and ramp downs around an iPhone launch. We know Apple's Chinese contractors add hundreds of thousands of workers in mid-to-late Summer to handle the significant surge in iPhone production and then draws that down sharply come the New Year as the initial sales surge recedes and production ramps down significantly until the next "Summer Cycle".

In China, those shifts are handled by re-allocating workers between different contracts within suppliers and even between suppliers (so they float from Foxconn to Quanta to whomever as demand rises and falls). That can't really happen in the US if Apple controls the factories directly (as many seem to feel should be the case). And yet the work requires skilled labor so it would be disruptive both to have people move to other jobs and not come back as well as having to do significant short-term hiring and skill them up, only to not need them when the ramp has completed. And with the numbers required (hundreds of thousands), one can't really expect that contract labor companies would be able to supply that number of skilled people on an "as-needed" basis.
 
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Time Apple pulls out of China completely. They shouldn’t put up with this extortion. We can / should replace FoxConn as a company in the US; significantly cheaper than replacing TSMC.
"should", yes
"can", hilariously no
It's a little tedious how people pack those two together to hide the fact that what they're demanding can't actually happen. It's as if a big enough "should" makes up for and obviates a glaring "can't."
 
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There are over a quarter-million assembly-line workers in the US earning an average of $25,000 per year. One would expect Apple would pay more (at the $15 minimum wage many municipalities have, that would be closer to $31,000 so I could see that a reasonable minimum) and one would expect they would receive the same benefits of at least the Apple Store workers.

I think these jobs are worse than normal assembly line jobs, aren’t they?
 
Yeah why does it say Main Land China? Hmm cause Taiwan is off the Main Land.. Cause Taiwan is China
That‘s a nonsense bit of reasoning.

Taiwan, formally known as Republic of China is a separate country, with a democratically elected government, that the USA sells billions in military hardware to. it is also the home of Foxconn, which happens to have a gigantic amount of factories and employees in China. (The peoples republic of China).

so while officially there are two Chinas, the bigger one has some major fits about that, so everyone settles on Taiwan. (Which is the Island). It’s still a different country, with a different (vastly) political system (one more to our liking) and not much of the less savory aspects of the other one, like human rights violations, etc.
 
The Chinese copy and steal USA property all the time.

They have been on a buying spree of USA companies all during COVID.
It’s ridiculous that they are allowed to do that while companies from western countries can barely do any business without permission, let alone purchase anything.
 
China is changing their entire business model. They finally realised that they can’t rely on western consumers to keep buying their stuff. So they will begin to cater to their internal market of huge population. Essentially a good old Iron Curtain times.
 
Chinese companies are often prevented by governments from purchasing western companies

Chinese companies (i.e the CCP) own a hell of a lot of farmland and businesses throughout Western economies. Whereas, we’re unable to own anything in China.
 
Chinese companies (i.e the CCP) own a hell of a lot of farmland and businesses throughout Western economies. Whereas, we’re unable to own anything in China.
Yes, the U.S. is a capitalist country, which means people can own stuff. China is a communist country, which means people typically cannot. If you believe in capitalism, you should have no problem with this - after all, it will prevail in the end, right?
 
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You don’t need half a million all on the same county. You can also have multiple factories. In the US we can train people to work those jobs and pay them fairly. Apple can sell the phones for the same cost and pay its employees fairly
Do some reading on the Foxconn Wisconsin factory story
 
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Doesn't matter. Apple should put its act together and bring all of its production in the USA. Stop depending on foreign countries just because they are cheaper to produce. Give jobs to Americans, give back to the country that made you what you are today.
we can’t agreed that requiring masks in schools is not a violation of our freedom. I can’t imagine getting the quantity of workers required to manufacture phones in United States to happily wear clean room attire.
 
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Where in the US are you going to find half a million workers in the US who have the necessary skills, are available, and all live in (or can relocate themselves to) the same county?
I'm sure if Apple offers good working conditions and competitive salaries, there will be people that will wait behind the line. Can't hurt to try right?
 
I'm sure if Apple offers good working conditions and competitive salaries, there will be people that will wait behind the line. Can't hurt to try right?

Yes. Let us see how much iPhone, iPad or Mac will cost if it assembled in United States?
 
Just develop automation.. necessity is the mother of invention.
This is the way that we will get Apple factories in the US - when they can be massively automated, rather than requiring skilled-but-mindless repetitive assembly work by tens of thousands of workers. I would expect Apple is studying this, but then they likely study everything.
 
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😂🤣 omg! The copy-machine saying it's producing originals.

Next month, some small Chinese company will claim that they have patents on all the new features of the iPhone 13. They will also claim that they've registered these patents since the Ming Dynasty era, so their claim is bulletproof because they were way ahead of of the West by centuries! 🤣
 
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Next month, some small Chinese company will claim that they have patents on all the new features of the iPhone 13. They will also claim that they've registered these patents since the Ming Dynasty era, so their claim is bulletproof because they were way ahead of of the West by centuries! 🤣

No they won’t. Those patents will have expired centuries ago.
 
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Time Apple pulls out of China completely. They shouldn’t put up with this extortion. We can / should replace FoxConn as a company in the US; significantly cheaper than replacing TSMC.
you should read more instead... both foxconn and tsmc are from taiwan
 
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