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Why is it an embarrassment? Because a company has managed to produce the product for $25 that Apple will be charging 20 x that for?

This.

For $25 I'd buy several, just in case the quality of one did somehow render it useless for whatever reason and still be way in the black compared to what Apple charges.

"Embarrassing" indeed.
 
I just logged in to say that your comment just shows how ignorant you are of how a final product such as the Apple Watch gets its final price. The price you pay includes years of research, development, which again intrinsically include design, prototyping, machines, countless man hours, the very same again for the accompanying software. Potatohead thieves can blatantly rip these off and sell inferior plastic junk (eg. Samsung) for 1/20th the price, because they didn't have to do any of these.

If you don't understand product development and business management, I'd suggest you refrain yourself from making ridiculous comments about it.

While there is no doubt a lot of overhead in creating the Apple Watch. One has to question the logic of the $350 retail price for the entry level device and the actual cost vs profit margin.

Even the original iPod Touch was $299 at retail price at 8gb, which is double what the Apple Watch will supposedly have. I know it's not entirely the same thing but with the progression of technology the Apple Watch is probably on par to what the iPod Touch was back in 2007 or even less than the equivalent being that flash storage prices have fallen to less than 1/8th the cost of what it was back then.

I'm not saying I don't want one, but at $350 for the entry level (one could say "inferior") model it really is hard to swallow for a "satellite" accessory for your iPhone.
 
I just logged in to say that your comment just shows how ignorant you are of how a final product such as the Apple Watch gets its final price. The price you pay includes years of research, development, which again intrinsically include design, prototyping, machines, countless man hours, the very same again for the accompanying software. Potatohead thieves can blatantly rip these off and sell inferior plastic junk (eg. Samsung) for 1/20th the price, because they didn't have to do any of these.

If you don't understand product development and business management, I'd suggest you refrain yourself from making ridiculous comments about it.

... and don't forget high margins.

Not an embarrassment like he says. Aggravating for Apple, but that is the competitive nature of business. Hold your cards tight against your competitors.

Remember, that Samsung you quote produces A chips for Apple, and memory chips from time to time, amongst other 'plastic junk'

China is ripe for copycats, from Rolex Submariners, to golf clubs to cars. Not a surprise. In the end though, I'm sure you get what you pay for.
 
Now you can try something silly without paying out silly money. If you don't like it, you can give it to your dog to chew. Besides the low price, I bet it is rootable too, which makes it instantly a better option.

I opted to keep this post short, so please - enjoy imagining that I'm playing a sad tune on a violin, for Apple, whilst I am obviously not... but imagine I am. It's funny that a product that is not even a known success, yet, is being copied. Imagine the irony if the REAL model flops, and yet, people buy the copy, en masse. :D

Wearables = failables, too many levels to explain every one. Stupid fad, but it will soon blow over, just like the Sinclair C5 trike did :p
 
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Now you can try something silly without paying out silly money. If you don't like it, you can give it to your dog to chew. Besides the low price, I bet it is rootable too, which makes it instantly a better option.

not going to pay for this stuff! lol
 
I just logged in to say that your comment just shows how ignorant you are of how a final product such as the Apple Watch gets its final price. The price you pay includes years of research, development, which again intrinsically include design, prototyping, machines, countless man hours, the very same again for the accompanying software. Potatohead thieves can blatantly rip these off and sell inferior plastic junk (eg. Samsung) for 1/20th the price, because they didn't have to do any of these.

If you don't understand product development and business management, I'd suggest you refrain yourself from making ridiculous comments about it.

All of what you say is true of course, but given it has taken them less than 3 months to come up with this, it has to be acknowledged, even if those efforts are misguided or ethically wrong (potentially illegal) it is impressive nonetheless. Remember, the time taken for them includes an element of 'Reverse Engineering' as they are unlikely to have access to the real designs. Unfortunately for Apple, this is one of the pitfalls of working in this part of the world.

I would add, I doubt Apple at the point of public disclosure had spent 'Years' on the watch development.
 
You know it's one thing to sell this sort of thing on eBay, but showing it off at one of the largest tech shows in the world? That's just... wow...
 
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Why is it an embarrassment? Because a company has managed to produce the product for $25 that Apple will be charging 20 x that for?

That USB cable probably means it's not waterproof, so I'm out.

Besides, the price that something sells for has more to do with demand, and not cost.

A case in point is oil. It costs the same to pump it out of the ground, and it has sold for $15-$150/barrel in the last 10 years.
 
not going to pay for this stuff! lol

Which one? I'd pay for the clone for a fun toy to wind people up with, but the real deal? I'd buy a container ship, convert it into a house and live in it in our back garden before I paid Apple silly ££ for a WATCH. I'd buy a Rolex first - you know - A REAL WATCH that has value.
 
All of what you say is true of course, but given it has taken them less than 3 months to come up with this, it has to be acknowledged, even if those efforts are misguided or ethically wrong (potentially illegal) it is impressive nonetheless.

I would add, I doubt Apple at the point of public disclosure had spent 'Years' on the watch development.

You can if you count the 6th Gen Nano as the prototype. :p

That IS the device that got this whole smart watch craze ball rolling.

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That USB cable probably means it's not waterproof, so I'm out.

Besides, the price that something sells for has more to do with demand, and not cost.

A case in point is oil. It costs the same to pump it out of the ground, and it has sold for $15-$150/barrel in the last 10 years.

Isn't the REAL Apple Watch "not waterproof" as well? It's just splash resistant.
 
If these contain cheap lithium ion batteries, it may not cost a leg, but may cost an arm...

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You know it's one thing to sell this sort of thing on eBay, showing it off at one of the largest tech shows in the world? That's just... wow...

It's good business, in a "free money from ram raid" kinda way. It may be a blatant ripoff and rather immoral, but there's no doubt that money will flood in. Lol. I bet "Smash my stuff" will make a bit of YT revenue from faking iBotch smashings too ^_^
 
You can if you count the 6th Gen Nano as the prototype. :p

That IS the device that got this whole smart watch craze ball rolling.

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Isn't the REAL Apple Watch "not waterproof" as well? It's just splash resistant.

Whilst I agree the Nano may have sparked a renewed, or an even new interest in smart watches, nevertheless, they have existed for a long time in numerous guises, some before even MP3 (iPod) were about, never mind the Nano. I seem to remember, that even Palm was once involved, or perhaps someone using the Palm OS? ( I am sure someone can correct me)
 
You can if you count the 6th Gen Nano as the prototype. :p

That IS the device that got this whole smart watch craze ball rolling.

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Isn't the REAL Apple Watch "not waterproof" as well? It's just splash resistant.

The real Apple Watch is almost certainly more water resistant than this thing.
 
This was predicted long ago by me and many others. Like any other grossly overpriced status symbol from designer handbags to hyped-up tennis shoes, there may soon be more fake Apple Watches then real ones.

I might buy a dozen of the fake watches and give them away as joke gifts.

Or, I could become a retailer for the people who make the fakes and set up shop at the local Starbucks. As long as a fake looked like the real item, I'd have plenty of customers because appearance is the big thing for those in need of status symbols.
 
Whilst I agree the Nano may have sparked a renewed, or an even new interest in smart watches, nevertheless, they have existed for a long time in numerous guises, some before even MP3 (iPod) were about, never mind the Nano. I seem to remember, that even Palm was once involved, or perhaps someone using the Palm OS? ( I am sure someone can correct me)

Not quite in the same way... I mean yes there was the calculator watch. I used to have one of those, but this current crop of smart watches exist only to assist your mobile device. What the Nano brought to the table was pedometer (fitness) and built in music storage. Something that didn't exist as far as I can recall in terms of a smartwatch.
 
The ironic thing about the term "smart watch" is that the watch itself is only as smart as the phone with which is it paired, and without that device... well, it's not that smart a purchase OR a device, AT ALL.

What's with this incessant, obsessive "need" to be constantly fed with an uninterrupted stream of meetings, updates, twittlings, ****tlings and bobblings from the great (anti)"social" obsessives? I put my phone out of sight AND hand, in my room when we have guests, and it misses as many "urgent" notifications as I couldn't give two hoots about, and my attention span and quality of life is all the better for it.

Save your money, this crap is the ruination of friendships and focus on REAL LIFE.
 

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This was predicted long ago by me and many others. Like any other grossly overpriced status symbol from designer handbags to hyped-up tennis shoes, there may soon be more fake Apple Watches then real ones.

I might buy a dozen of the fake watches and give them away as joke gifts.

Or, I could become a retailer for the people who make the fakes and set up shop at the local Starbucks. As long as a fake looked like the real item, I'd have plenty of customers because appearance is the big thing for those in need of status symbols.

So true... I knew a girl with an iPhone who don't have music or videos on it nor did she have any apps. Not sure if she had email on tho. But honestly what's the point of an iPhone if you don't have media and apps? Purely status symbol because everyone else had one.
 
The ironic thing about the term "smart watch" is that the watch itself is only as smart as the phone with which is it paired, and without that device... well, it's not that smart a purchase OR a device, AT ALL.

What's with this incessant, obsessive "need" to be constantly fed with an uninterrupted stream of meetings, updates, twittlings, ****tlings and bobblings from the great (anti)"social" obsessives? I put my phone out of sight AND hand, in my room when we have guests, and it misses as many "urgent" notifications as I couldn't give two hoots about, and my attention span and quality of life is all the better for it.

Save your money, this crap is the ruination of friendships and focus on REAL LIFE.

I have a Pebble and a Fitbit Surge. The both alert me to calls and texts... also control my music player on the phone without having to take my phone out of my pocket. Those features are nice... I really like the fitness features on the Fitbit as well. There is a place for these things... but ultimately these are all toys... really really expensive toys. :D
 
That USB cable probably means it's not waterproof, so I'm out.

Besides, the price that something sells for has more to do with demand, and not cost.

A case in point is oil. It costs the same to pump it out of the ground, and it has sold for $15-$150/barrel in the last 10 years.

Actually, I work in the oil industry and the 'price' of oil significantly impacts the cost of oil, believe it or not. When the oil price is high, it will/can be extracted from the ground in places where it is hugely expensive to do so otherwise and would make no commercial sense when the oil price is low. In simple terms, fracking, for example, as a source of oil basically makes no commercial sense at around $60 a barrel
 
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