I doubt Apple will update ACDs before they can do LED-backlit ones without raising prices significantly (or not at all). They've stated they are going green with new products so they will not refresh the ACD line without LED backlighting. I guess WWDC at the earliest.
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Cinema Displays - Where Are They?
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I see, that would make sense. Are there any displays currently in the industry offering LED back lighting? The Dell 3008WPF is expensive for what you get. The new more vivid colors are from a new cathode, not really much new tech.
Small ones like the 15" MBP and the new MBA, and big HDTVs like the Samsung DLPs. As for larger monitors like 22-30" computer displays, I do not know.
I have a 23" ACD and am very pleased with it. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a second one now if I felt the need for another display.
I have not bought a new computer since 2004. I'm running on a Dell 2005FPW right now on a POS Dell Laptop. I want a Mac pro and a 30" ACD, but I don't want old tech. The ACD came out in 2004, that is way too old to justify spending $1700 on. Very disappointing Macworld...
A few people are saying there is still something left to unveil at Mac World tomorrow, can this be true?
The 30" ACD is an awesome display. The case may be older tech, but the LCD panel isn't. You get a modern S-IPS SWOP-certified LCD panel & you won't get better color (accuracy, consistency, etc) without spending more. My $0.02The ACD came out in 2004, that is way too old to justify spending $1700 on. Very disappointing Macworld...
So you're saying the Apple ACD that is currently for sale has a pretty modern panel in it right now? And the Dell 3008WFP will not look better then it? What kind of panel does the ACD use? I run a 2005FPW I got in 2004 and the color accuracy is ok, but not the best. The new 3008FPW is nice, but it's pretty much just a different cathode which apparently gives much more vivid colors, but then again it is S-IPS and claims to delivery 117% of the NTSC colour gamut.
You might have convinced me to actually get an ACD now.
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Yes. And you can improve it with hardware calibration. I use the Spyder2Express (about $60) to calibrate my 23" LCD (for the photography I use it for).
well the Cinema Displays are the only item/product that hasnt been updated lately on the Apple site, it still an older page wiht out-dated info well with the new macpro releases.
I honestly dont see the inferiority with the displays, theyre far more color accurate than a majority of newer displays.
I dont see why there needs to be so many inputs/outputs on a friggin display,
if they would jsut update the display panel itself thatd be nice too. also with a lower prices =)
I honestly dont see the inferiority with the displays, theyre far more color accurate than a majority of newer displays.
I dont see why there needs to be so many inputs/outputs on a friggin display,
if they would jsut update the display panel itself thatd be nice too. also with a lower prices =)
So...bottom line...are ACDs worth it?
I use one at work and so am used to it (and that also means I have no reference point in regards to how it performs against other monitors). In 3 years, I've had no problems with it. I can see the advantage of other inputs (especially if I were to, say, want to use it as a TV monitor when it's not in use with my computer...an idea I was toying with to utilize space better in my office).
A plus for ACDs, though, is having the same Applecare policy cover my MacPro and ACD.
But for the $$$, would 'you' advise one to get an ACD (which would be used primarily for video work)?
I use one at work and so am used to it (and that also means I have no reference point in regards to how it performs against other monitors). In 3 years, I've had no problems with it. I can see the advantage of other inputs (especially if I were to, say, want to use it as a TV monitor when it's not in use with my computer...an idea I was toying with to utilize space better in my office).
A plus for ACDs, though, is having the same Applecare policy cover my MacPro and ACD.
But for the $$$, would 'you' advise one to get an ACD (which would be used primarily for video work)?
Perhaps you could elaborate on what you feel these strengths are. I am in the same boat as Mr. PS looking for a 30" display. While I can say that I've seen the 30" ACD in action (go to any apple store). I can't say the same for many other 30" displays which leaves me with reading reviews. One can only hope the agreement will be mutual if this is left as the method for decision making.
yea they really got to release new ones they seem over due for a re-release.. hopefully they will be green and include a isight
Side by side and calibrated, the Dell 2407 outperforms the ACD in my eyes. Plus, the inputs, adjustability, etc make it a better buy by a long shot.
I think the ACD are great, but in my experience the Dell 2407-HC had more vivid colors and had a better picture. Plus, there is no reason why the ACD 23" should be $200 more.
I might change my mind after the new ACD's are rolled out, but right now the Dell is the best I've seen for the price and size compared with other models.
i think it could use a slight update maybe the LED panels would be great, longer lasting and efficient. perhaps bette rpixel quality (not there is anything wrong with them now, but maybe less likeliness of burned out pixels or white spots).
there are a lot of decent devices that could be used in between to allow the display to function as a multipurpose display. (wishing the AppleTV would have perchance become that integrating that with the ACD's would be have been nice. but almost a hassle..i think it would be nice to have options but those come at a premium and quality constraints...im not sure how well a 30" ACD would be as a HDMI component say hooked upto a set-top box...since its higher then standard 1080p res. or if it offered options like that to be a multi-purpose unit)
i just dislike the backlighting in alot of Monitors out there, the LCDs are the same but the way they manufacture and grade them is far more different, i saw an HP 24" and i noticed if i titled the monitor it had a gradient effect to it, depending on desk height and chair level and how i work on stuff, i like to have my set up like an old-cartoon artist with my monitor on a desk clamp so i can draw on paper and then switch over to digital aniimation so i need a versatile display that doesnt cop-out on color quality and streamlined representation. i use a 23" at this point for that type of workso i can move it easily around without it geting in the way and angle it if im leaning to sketch or draw.
i dont think any of the current monitors by any manufacture have too much edge over the recreation that the ACD's have. other than maybe the NEC displays or Samsug which have high quality standards aswell.
there are a lot of decent devices that could be used in between to allow the display to function as a multipurpose display. (wishing the AppleTV would have perchance become that integrating that with the ACD's would be have been nice. but almost a hassle..i think it would be nice to have options but those come at a premium and quality constraints...im not sure how well a 30" ACD would be as a HDMI component say hooked upto a set-top box...since its higher then standard 1080p res. or if it offered options like that to be a multi-purpose unit)
i just dislike the backlighting in alot of Monitors out there, the LCDs are the same but the way they manufacture and grade them is far more different, i saw an HP 24" and i noticed if i titled the monitor it had a gradient effect to it, depending on desk height and chair level and how i work on stuff, i like to have my set up like an old-cartoon artist with my monitor on a desk clamp so i can draw on paper and then switch over to digital aniimation so i need a versatile display that doesnt cop-out on color quality and streamlined representation. i use a 23" at this point for that type of workso i can move it easily around without it geting in the way and angle it if im leaning to sketch or draw.
i dont think any of the current monitors by any manufacture have too much edge over the recreation that the ACD's have. other than maybe the NEC displays or Samsug which have high quality standards aswell.
Would definitely like to see new models. I'll wait for new releases since I don't really need one at this point in time.
I'm about to order a mac pro with a Dell 3008WFP or just not buy a monitor now and wait till the new ACD's are out. My main issue with getting the 3008WFP would be doing something with it when the new ACD's come out.
Does anyone know how much of the NTSC color gamut the ACD's can display? The new Dell 3008WFP can do 115% which is an industry high - with that being said it still lacks LED back lighting and it's $500 more then the ACD 30".
Urghhh why all these issues with decisions? I've waited since September for the new Mac Pro, it's here, now the Cinema displays. They are getting kind of old, you can sort of feel the update around the corner. I don't want to splurge $2k on a display only to have another far superior display come out 5 months down the road with LED back lighting, higher contrast ratios, and better gamma reproduction.
God damnit... I still love no worries.
Does anyone know how much of the NTSC color gamut the ACD's can display? The new Dell 3008WFP can do 115% which is an industry high - with that being said it still lacks LED back lighting and it's $500 more then the ACD 30".
Urghhh why all these issues with decisions? I've waited since September for the new Mac Pro, it's here, now the Cinema displays. They are getting kind of old, you can sort of feel the update around the corner. I don't want to splurge $2k on a display only to have another far superior display come out 5 months down the road with LED back lighting, higher contrast ratios, and better gamma reproduction.
God damnit... I still love
no worries. I'm about to order a mac pro with a Dell 3008WFP or just not buy a monitor now and wait till the new ACD's are out. My main issue with getting the 3008WFP would be doing something with it when the new ACD's come out.
Does anyone know how much of the NTSC color gamut the ACD's can display? The new Dell 3008WFP can do 115% which is an industry high - with that being said it still lacks LED back lighting and it's $500 more then the ACD 30".
Urghhh why all these issues with decisions? I've waited since September for the new Mac Pro, it's here, now the Cinema displays. They are getting kind of old, you can sort of feel the update around the corner. I don't want to splurge $2k on a display only to have another far superior display come out 5 months down the road with LED back lighting, higher contrast ratios, and better gamma reproduction.
God damnit... I still love
If you can wait, then feel free to keep torturing yourself over this. My thoughts have been there will always be something bigger and better down the line, unless you have your whole life allocated to waiting, just go for it...
I really doubt the new Dell monitor will disappoint... They tend to be very solid displays.
I understand that there will always be something bigger and better out there, but when I'm spending this much on a setup I will have for 2-3 years I want it to be the best out right now, and it's not. The display is dated and new technology is around the corner.
I'm considering waiting, then again I'd like the space of a 30" monitor. I can afford the Dell, but don't think it's wise to buy it only to get rid of it in a few months when the new ACD's come out. The reason I want an ACD so much is the bezel design really. I have a silver themed office with Apple stuff all around, I want it to match - simple as that. I know it sounds odd to some people, but I'm anal like that.
The worrying thing is there is no known date where a new ACD's could come out. I'm guessing like others have said that Apple is waiting for LED powered back lighting to push the "eco friendly" hype. The Dell would hold me over, but spending $2k on a monitor you're not truly happy with and want to replace not far down the line is kind of a waste of $.
Well there it is, the truth comes out.
I'm the same way, but I think silver and black work great together.
Nothing wrong with color matching, i spent extra to get the Xbox 360 Elite because I didn't want it in white, so I understand.
Do what you feel is right. But if the ACD's don't come out till August, is the wait really worth it?
Only time will tell...(killer, I know)
Well there it is, the truth comes out.
I'm the same way, but I think silver and black work great together.
Nothing wrong with color matching, i spent extra to get the Xbox 360 Elite because I didn't want it in white, so I understand.
Do what you feel is right. But if the ACD's don't come out till August, is the wait really worth it?
Only time will tell...(killer, I know)
Man I wish the ACD's out now were LED powered, the bezel design is fine, but LED powered with higher contrast ratios and a higher NTSC gamut I'd be all over them! I wonder what Apple's reasoning behind not upgrading is.
I think they are just waiting for the cost to come down LED monitors are expensive. I really want one for my photo work.
I too can vouch for the 2407WFP-HC.
I love mine!
I used the ACD 23" in school and always thought the damn thing was too "grainy/sparkly" whatever u call it. Its like having a veil over my eyes.
The darkness of hte blacks are better than the 2407wfp-hc, but other than that, it doesn't beat it in any other category.
I can't wait for OLED or LaZer screens to be at a decent price level.
I love mine!
I used the ACD 23" in school and always thought the damn thing was too "grainy/sparkly" whatever u call it. Its like having a veil over my eyes.
The darkness of hte blacks are better than the 2407wfp-hc, but other than that, it doesn't beat it in any other category.
I can't wait for OLED or LaZer screens to be at a decent price level.