There is no problem with the ACD response time. This spec can be specified differently (gray-gray, black-white, etc). There are panels (TN) with faster response times but they lack in just about every other area (color accuracy, angle of view, etc). I think the cheaper displays emphasize speccing fast response times to make up for poorer display quality and to appeal to gamers.
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Cinema Displays - Where Are They?
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That's contrary to everything I've read. What is the basis (evidence) of your statements.
Confusion reigns with Dell monitors:
The 3007-HC uses a S-IPS and looks a real bargain at the same price as the 23" ACD (Edit: ah in Japan at least
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The 23" ACD uses a S-IPS and some of the Dell 2007-HC's do, but the 2407's use a S-PVA afaik. So for the 23/24 range I think the ACD is still a good deal given that it's a S-IPS and you expect to pay a little more for the Apple stuff, and all other 24" S-IPS displays have a comparable price.
On the other hand, the Dell 3007-HC is on paper a great bargain. Same price as the 23" ACD about, and same S-IPS technology as all ACD's.
Built-in camera. I don't think it will happen. Not suitable for many office environments where cameras are not allowed.
The 3007-HC uses a S-IPS and looks a real bargain at the same price as the 23" ACD (Edit: ah in Japan at least
)The 23" ACD uses a S-IPS and some of the Dell 2007-HC's do, but the 2407's use a S-PVA afaik. So for the 23/24 range I think the ACD is still a good deal given that it's a S-IPS and you expect to pay a little more for the Apple stuff, and all other 24" S-IPS displays have a comparable price.
On the other hand, the Dell 3007-HC is on paper a great bargain. Same price as the 23" ACD about, and same S-IPS technology as all ACD's.
Built-in camera. I don't think it will happen. Not suitable for many office environments where cameras are not allowed.
Where do you find the Dell at the same price as the 23" ACD? I've never seen the Dell lower than $1100 or so, and it currently shows for $1400 on Dell.com. That quite a bit more than the 23" ACD? If I could get the 3007 under $1000 I'd be tempted to sell my 23 ACD.
Agree about cameras. Until recently I couldn't take my MBP or iPhone to work. The only reason that changed is that you can't get a cell phone without a camera anymore, so they relaxed the rules.
I'm in Japan and ACD 23" is 114,800 yen ($1000) and Dell is 118,000 yen and has a 3 year guarantee. Looks like the Dell is an incredible bargain over here. I assumed that the situation was similar in the U.S. Perhaps not
I'm in Japan and ACD 23" is 114,800 yen ($1000) and Dell is 118,000 yen and has a 3 year guarantee. Looks like the Dell is an incredible bargain over here. I assumed that the situation was similar in the U.S. Perhaps not
23" ACD $899 vs. 30" Dell $1399.
I got $100 off that when I bought my ACD.
Yes, it looks as though the Dell in Japan is about 30% cheaper, and the ACD is about 15% more expensive. If only it were the opposite.
What should I do
That Dell is mighty tempting.Given that the Dell has a S-IPS panel, I would have jumped on it at the same price point as a 23" ACD.I would still like to have a 30" S-IPS display. I may still sell my ACD and upgrade to the Dell or Apple (depending on tax returns).Yes, it looks as though the Dell in Japan is about 30% cheaper, and the ACD is about 15% more expensive. If only it were the opposite.
What should I do
My only worry is the Dell 3007 may actually be too big for me. The 2407 HC is going for $500 here. It seems there is some kind of Dell campaign going on in Japan, and the monitors are much cheaper than usual.
I'll give Apple a couple of days and see what happens.
Its would be nice to see something by the end of Macworld but i doubt it. Maybe in next few months or WWDC.
Part of the reason the Dell 3007 may be that cheap is that the new model ( the Dell 3008WFP) has been released. Word is that the gamut on the new Dell can work in the Adobe RGB color space as well.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2244005,00.asp
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2244005,00.asp
well with the current displays at a price premium and LED backlit displays not as widely used (yet, they will be) there is going to be a bigger price premium give or take whatthe current displays go for.
just be expecting to pay the same price maybe alittle more fo rthat and unchanged ports for "updated" LED Backlit displays.
once the www.apple.com/displays/ gets updated @ apple.com (since its one of the last of the pages on the site to get updated and the information about the displays is using the "outdated" older information for the 1,1 & 2,1 MacPro video cards, so im guessing sometime this year theyll get rolled out ~ since the other products pages have been all updated to the current apple theme and look)
id still buy one now, im going to try by next week if a new one comes out, well see how well it fairs,i have no issue with purchasing one now and in the coming months trading it off towards one after i see how it is received
Dells new one are available.
New 24'http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/dells-24-inch-2408wfp-monitor-with-displayport-and-everything/
NEC's new one is also available.
New 24' http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/necs-30-inch-lcd3090wqxi-makes-pros-swoon-linguists-scowl/
Any chance apple with follow suit? I doubt it
New 24'http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/dells-24-inch-2408wfp-monitor-with-displayport-and-everything/
NEC's new one is also available.
New 24' http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/necs-30-inch-lcd3090wqxi-makes-pros-swoon-linguists-scowl/
Any chance apple with follow suit? I doubt it
im still deciding on the dell 30" or the acd 30". I really wish we had some kind of leak so i could get a time frame, because time for my purchase is running out.
The displays will most definitely be more expensive, that's expected. I can't stand the bitching and moaning on all of these forums about Mac products being expensive - deal with it. You're paying a premium for a premium brand and operating system. If you don't feel it's worth it, go back to PC.
As for the new Displays. I'd gladly order right now and trade up, but I don't want to loose any money when the new ACD's do indeed come out.
i wonder why apple isn't using you in their "switch" campaign?
deal with it.
nice.
you do realize that people actually DO go back to PC all the time. largely because of people like you.
i guess maybe you're trying to make sure that apple doesn't get too popular, because then you'd have to switch to something else so you can continue to be in the elite minority?
deal with it.
nice.
you do realize that people actually DO go back to PC all the time. largely because of people like you.
i guess maybe you're trying to make sure that apple doesn't get too popular, because then you'd have to switch to something else so you can continue to be in the elite minority?
I honestly could not care less, I'm willing to pay for something I want and something that I feel is better then everything else for my needs. The Cinema Displays are cheap in comparison to the new Dell 30" ($2,000) and a fully loaded PC with the same amount of power as a Mac Pro is most certainly going to cost you the same if not more. I'm not a Mac user, I'm a PC user, and until new ACD's come out I will continue to be a PC user.
Like I said, deal with it, or buy other products. You pay a premium for good products and brand names - the same goes for cars, homes, clothes, planes, jewelry, yachts, food, and everything else in life.
To be fair, you have to compare the old, last generation ACDs to the old Dell 30", which is currently going for $1050 at Dell.
Who wouldn't? I'll gladly buy a monitor now if when the next model comes out I can trade up and not lose any money.
I agree, but when a new Cinema display comes out it will be $2,500 at least. That $500 premium even over the 3008WFP is warranted with Mac due to the color accuracy and SOHC (sp?) certification.
Who wouldn't? I'll gladly buy a monitor now if when the next model comes out I can trade up and not lose any money.
Ha, true that!