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Cinema Displays - Where Are They?
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Just 'cause it would be wasted on you doesn't mean it would be wasted on others.
Funny you say that' cause video games and TV is my business. I have one ACD and have no complaints, but the plethora of inputs on the Dells (as well as the ability to rotate the screen) is seriously making me consider getting a Dell instead of another ACD for my 2nd monitor.
I'm not sure how relevant of a measurement that is as no computer monitor is going to give you an accurate representation of an NTSC signal. The lone exception I know about is using a Matrox MXO in combination a Dell 2407 or 23" ACD.
Lethal
I can see how more inputs could be of a convenience to some, but I think it's getting a bit out of hand. People are saying a monitor literally sucks because it lacks HDMI or such, but I also think that's a sign of something to come. The standard now is HDMI, Component, etc... Thats where the ACD shows it's age. Hopefully there is still a chance to see a new ACD by the 18th...
It's interesting to read the number of inputs being an issue for some readers here. The main beef I've heard in the "real" world has usually been about the price.
i think the price could drop a bit, and well with the video cards used on most apple products im not entirely sure what kind of inputs/output upgrades theyd like to offer.
however the reason im going to purchase a new 30" display (aside from selling stuff idont particularly need anymore and have enough to cover it while breaking even + adc discount) is that i know their reputation and their quality.
I know what my work will look like on one of them and that even though there might be new displays by XYZ Brand i know that i wont have to sacrifice my work or change the way i produce my stuff for print/graphic web or video as it will be a streamlined process.
i think thats just the advantage in my mind over using various displays, im not sure how they will be in the long run compared to something that has actually lasted quite sometime and the quality was way ahead of itself back then too.
sure it may not be tomorrows technological improvement but its solid and has been reliable. better than spending money on a product that may or may not develop an end product the way i intend or am use to like the ACD's
however the reason im going to purchase a new 30" display (aside from selling stuff idont particularly need anymore and have enough to cover it while breaking even + adc discount) is that i know their reputation and their quality.
I know what my work will look like on one of them and that even though there might be new displays by XYZ Brand i know that i wont have to sacrifice my work or change the way i produce my stuff for print/graphic web or video as it will be a streamlined process.
i think thats just the advantage in my mind over using various displays, im not sure how they will be in the long run compared to something that has actually lasted quite sometime and the quality was way ahead of itself back then too.
sure it may not be tomorrows technological improvement but its solid and has been reliable. better than spending money on a product that may or may not develop an end product the way i intend or am use to like the ACD's
That's you. My display unit needs to be multi-purpose as I have limited space. Besides it's just more convenient being able to run Mac, set-top box, and console through one device.
This is the sole reason stopping me from buying Apple and considering Samsung / Dell instead. Apple would move more units if they offered more inputs - simple.
So what you gonna do if you wait for the new ACD and they redesign the look so it's no longer silver? If you want the best that's available RIGHT NOW, as you said, then get it RIGHT NOW. Easy.
Dell makes decent displays for general use; web browsing; spreadsheets; and gaming, but except the 30" model which has an S-IPS panel, the rest are inferior quality monitors that will not give you good color rendering for any photo or graphics job.
If you want your prints/output to be exactly what you are seeing on your display you have to go with a quality panel. Apple makes very decent displays for the money, or you can go with Eizo, Some models of NEC, Lacie, or other exotic brands that will cost you many thousands of dollars.
If you're gonna spend a small fortune on a MP workstation and slap a cheap $300 monitor... It's like having a Lambo with 50 dollars tires.
If you want your prints/output to be exactly what you are seeing on your display you have to go with a quality panel. Apple makes very decent displays for the money, or you can go with Eizo, Some models of NEC, Lacie, or other exotic brands that will cost you many thousands of dollars.
If you're gonna spend a small fortune on a MP workstation and slap a cheap $300 monitor... It's like having a Lambo with 50 dollars tires.
Aw man everything is pointing towards a Dell 3008... but I too just want a comparable Apple display to go with my Mac Pro
I know that Dell's 20" and Apple's 20" also use the same LCD panel: LG.Philips LCD LM201W01 (just as the 30" share the same panel). I don't know the specifics for the 23"/24", but again they are the same quality panel (I have a Dell 24" at work, and I have the Apple 23" at home). The difference between Dell and Apple is product design, available inputs, and customer support... not the picture quality.
its gonna be awhile for the LED backlit displays.
even a 19" or it was 21" by NEC is going for $4000!
and an apparent viewsonic 22" LED display for 800-1000$ !
so id hold off and get the ACD's while you can if its something your going to want to use, as we all know with the majority of Apple products their value holds strong. so if there ever was a future revision, you can always upgrade and get almost near what you paid for with your investment
even a 19" or it was 21" by NEC is going for $4000!
and an apparent viewsonic 22" LED display for 800-1000$ !
so id hold off and get the ACD's while you can if its something your going to want to use, as we all know with the majority of Apple products their value holds strong. so if there ever was a future revision, you can always upgrade and get almost near what you paid for with your investment
The Apple uses a S-IPS panel. The Dell uses a S-PVS panel. They are not the same quality. S-IPS is superior (and more expensive) where color quality and accuracy are concerned. I researched this when shopping (there are some web sites that list the panels types (TN, S-PVS, S-IPS) used by different monitors. I specifically chose the Apple over the Dell for the S-IPS panel.
The ACD is basically the entry-level to the high end of LCD displays.
Well there it is, the truth comes out.
I'm the same way, but I think silver and black work great together.
Ish
I'd keep the all silver/white for the pro-lines.
Actually, I'll go further. The current Apple towers and ACDs
have reached such a point of near perfection design-wise
that almost any change is likely to be for the worse. We're
incredibly lucky that there still is this company that actually
cares about the whole package, from design and build quality
through to function. That is so rare these days.
Here's something I don't understand about the ACDs. In researching options and what one should look for in displays, I keep coming across that response time should be 2-5 ms, yet when I read the specs for the ACDs it had the response time at a whoppingly slow 16 ms.
I would think that for Motion and FCP work, you'd want as responsive a display as possible (I'm not a gamer so that's not an issue).
Am I missing something?
I would think that for Motion and FCP work, you'd want as responsive a display as possible (I'm not a gamer so that's not an issue).
Am I missing something?
The top two features that I'd hope for are:
- rotatability: I just stood my 23" ACD on its end, and it's awesome for Mail and for reading web pages (chat boards, blogs, etc.)
- built in iSight: I currently have the old-school iSight, which is fine, but elimination of a cable would be nice.
Of course, any improvement(s) in the screen would be welcome. However -- to those on the fence, my personal feeling is that no matter if the next version is diamond-encrusted and comes with 2 free Apple pies, these displays are still very elegant and worthy of professional use.
(+ Most people who are sincere about citing technical spec. deficiencies probably don't even calibrate their displays with a colorimeter -- reducing the legitimacy of their nitpicking, in my opinion)
One last note about the bezel: In addition to matching the Pro line of Apple gear, the silver/grey color of the ACDs actually serves a functional purpose -- neutrality. For that reason, I hope Apple never changes the color, or does anything but make the display more neutral.
I say this as I debate whether or not to order a 2nd 23" with my Mac Pro, or drop a little extra for a Samsung 46" LCD instead.
-J
- rotatability: I just stood my 23" ACD on its end, and it's awesome for Mail and for reading web pages (chat boards, blogs, etc.)
- built in iSight: I currently have the old-school iSight, which is fine, but elimination of a cable would be nice.
Of course, any improvement(s) in the screen would be welcome. However -- to those on the fence, my personal feeling is that no matter if the next version is diamond-encrusted and comes with 2 free Apple pies, these displays are still very elegant and worthy of professional use.
(+ Most people who are sincere about citing technical spec. deficiencies probably don't even calibrate their displays with a colorimeter -- reducing the legitimacy of their nitpicking, in my opinion)
One last note about the bezel: In addition to matching the Pro line of Apple gear, the silver/grey color of the ACDs actually serves a functional purpose -- neutrality. For that reason, I hope Apple never changes the color, or does anything but make the display more neutral.
I say this as I debate whether or not to order a 2nd 23" with my Mac Pro, or drop a little extra for a Samsung 46" LCD instead.
-J
actually, guys, S-IPS is basically discontinued.
the latest generation of S-PVA panels matches or exceeds the color rendering and viewing angle capabilities of the S-IPS panels, and the technology has hit a wall in the S-IPS camp.
Combine that with a natural response time disadvantage due to the way S-IPS is structured, and you end up with a more expensive, slower version of S-PVA with equivalent color and viewing angles. It's quickly becoming a no-win for S-IPS.
This dell 30 inch, and any Apple version of it that appears this year, will probably be the end of the S-IPS line for most people...
the latest generation of S-PVA panels matches or exceeds the color rendering and viewing angle capabilities of the S-IPS panels, and the technology has hit a wall in the S-IPS camp.
Combine that with a natural response time disadvantage due to the way S-IPS is structured, and you end up with a more expensive, slower version of S-PVA with equivalent color and viewing angles. It's quickly becoming a no-win for S-IPS.
This dell 30 inch, and any Apple version of it that appears this year, will probably be the end of the S-IPS line for most people...