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Class Action Lawsuit Accuses Apple of Crippling iPhone 4s With iOS 9 Update
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Turn on reduce motion and reduce transparency. Not only does it help but it looks better.
Same issue on the ipad 2. I would love to revert back. Running 8 has been painful and made it practically unusable. While i don't agree with class action suits we should have an option to keep older software. I was forced to update when I had to do a restore.
Lol .So he has to downgrade his visuals,something he didn't have to on iOS 7 and 8 and you preach Apple doesn't do planned obsolescence.The irony
People sued because they paid top dollar for the product and if it doesn't perform later on in its lifecycle they deserve full money back.Amazing how anti consumerist you are
Really you think this makes a difference in the context of my comments? These are not comments on security patches, they are notices, but contain no information about exactly what was done and you don't get the patch unless you upgrade iOS, which was the point of many comments in this thread. In addition, they don't apply to iOS components independent of the iOS version. For example the security patch, if it had comments, could say for example applies to WebKit v6.321 for all iOS versions. But they don't, nor does Apple allow them to be applied to any iOS version.
I guess here in the US I feel grateful Apple is supporting a 5 year old device that works fairly decently. It's amazing to me you haven't moved on to any phone manufacturer given all the angst and issues iOS has caused you.
I'm thankful I can turn off the visuals as i dislike eye candy; if that is what is needed than do it.
People sued the last go around and it was tossed out of court like this will be. Just because you are unhappy doesn't mean the masses are.
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It's the same view. Adoption and fragmentation. Makes you wonder if people really had a choice to go back in fw to a more stable or speedier fw would iOS have a big fragmentation and adoption rates of new fw would drop to rates that would prove if the new iOS fw released that year is worth it.
Has anyone read the text of the suit? Amazing. Look at this:
11. Besides slowing down, the update caused crashes and freezes. (the update itself caused it! They have proof!)
14. Plaintiff and other class members were faced with a difficult decision: use a buggy, slow device that disrupts everyday life or spend hundreds of dollars to buy another smartphone. (LMAO....Change a couple of words around and this sounds like we're talking about someone's hospice!)
15. Apple’s deceptive practices and misleading advertising caused harm and economic loss to the Plaintiff and the class who lost use of a functional iPhone. Some class members were forced to purchase new smartphones. (It caused harm....so much harm..because it was forced! Forced, I tell you..)
This costs thousands to even have in the courtroom. They will be reading this tragic novella about...cellphones. The utterly factual tone of so much of this language is unbearable...Problems with old hardware aside (the 4S is 5 years old), this is exactly why people laugh at this country.
11. Besides slowing down, the update caused crashes and freezes. (the update itself caused it! They have proof!)
14. Plaintiff and other class members were faced with a difficult decision: use a buggy, slow device that disrupts everyday life or spend hundreds of dollars to buy another smartphone. (LMAO....Change a couple of words around and this sounds like we're talking about someone's hospice!)
15. Apple’s deceptive practices and misleading advertising caused harm and economic loss to the Plaintiff and the class who lost use of a functional iPhone. Some class members were forced to purchase new smartphones. (It caused harm....so much harm..because it was forced! Forced, I tell you..)
This costs thousands to even have in the courtroom. They will be reading this tragic novella about...cellphones. The utterly factual tone of so much of this language is unbearable...Problems with old hardware aside (the 4S is 5 years old), this is exactly why people laugh at this country.
No one is denying that offering an upgrade for older equipment is a good thing. The issue is having a CHOICE. Apple only offers a choice not to upgrade at the moment. If one needs to refresh their device, they only can get the latest version of iOS... there's no way to go back to what they had.
Not only do you seem to be against customers having a choice, but also against having customers voicing their concerns. Apple is often reluctant to admit that there's a problem or that their decisions are flawed. But I suppose if one takes a subservient view of themselves as a customer then it makes sense. Pointing this out doesn't make, "the customer is always right even when they're overbearing and unreasonable" right.
Do you remember the issue with iOS update installers (being automatically downloaded to devices) that couldn't be deleted? The response by people who "felt grateful" and were "thankful" to Apple told those who complained, "tough nuts. You agreed that Apple would do what Apple does. Don't like it? Move on to a competitive device". And yet, those who complained continued to bring exposure to the issue. The result: Apple relented and provided a way in future versions of iOS to prevent the download of the updater.
It's chicken and egg. The developers don't want to support multiple versions of the same app; Apple doesn't want to support old versions of an o/s. Neither does Microsoft for that matter, but microsofts support window is much, longer than apples.
Apple should probably allow downgrading but incentivize the developers to move their apps forward to make it more likely to get people to upgrade.
Nice job of putting words in my mouth. actually Apple is against choice, I don't know how there could be any other interpretation.
And since when do I get to control this vast world of ours by being against free speech? That's a lot of power for lil ol' me.
If I'm understanding you right, yes. Everything would be okay.
No one should buy it. If you but a horrible Apple Product even though it's bad, you still know what you're buying. Look no further than the Apple Watch.
This can not have any weight in court. A smartphone follows that same suit as a standard computer.
If the O/S has patches or newer versions, and the hardware meets the minimum requirements to run, guess what - you run into risk anyways for slow downs.
Part of staying with old versions of O/S is to ensure that the application works fine. One of my main gripes is that unless you really save the actual application file from iTunes, there is now real way to install a old version of a application. This is something i really love about Android, is that I can install what ever version I want of O/S and Application.
Take this example that I recently am bummed about: A few years back I bought a fantastic Sega game "Jet Set Radio". Loved it! (It was my favorite Dreamcast Game) After I updated my iPhone 5S to 9.2 and my iPad Air to 8.4.1, the game stopped working. I did put in a support call to Sega who responded that they might have plans to update the Game to run on the newer version of iOS.
Another game i love to play is Nameless RPG. What happened with that game was iOS 9.x broke it. I sent a message to the developer and within a months time they got it running again.
Granted these are games, the same case and point would be for anyone who uses Business or Productivity Apps.
And the nightmare is being a Developer for these applications...image that you have customer base sending you lots of support calls because your app did not work in the new OS, that everyone else is updating to. That $5 game now turns into not bringing in much profit because now you need to spend more hours keeping it current. I can see how in being a Developer for apps can be fun - but you really have to keep at it due to these O/S updates.
So in conclusion, just like anything else, if you care about your applications, be wary about updating the O/S. In these days, there arent any hacks, patches, or other tweaks to perform to get something to go since iOS does not allow me to do these things, nor does it offer any compatibility mode features for older applications.
If the O/S has patches or newer versions, and the hardware meets the minimum requirements to run, guess what - you run into risk anyways for slow downs.
Part of staying with old versions of O/S is to ensure that the application works fine. One of my main gripes is that unless you really save the actual application file from iTunes, there is now real way to install a old version of a application. This is something i really love about Android, is that I can install what ever version I want of O/S and Application.
Take this example that I recently am bummed about: A few years back I bought a fantastic Sega game "Jet Set Radio". Loved it! (It was my favorite Dreamcast Game) After I updated my iPhone 5S to 9.2 and my iPad Air to 8.4.1, the game stopped working. I did put in a support call to Sega who responded that they might have plans to update the Game to run on the newer version of iOS.
Another game i love to play is Nameless RPG. What happened with that game was iOS 9.x broke it. I sent a message to the developer and within a months time they got it running again.
Granted these are games, the same case and point would be for anyone who uses Business or Productivity Apps.
And the nightmare is being a Developer for these applications...image that you have customer base sending you lots of support calls because your app did not work in the new OS, that everyone else is updating to. That $5 game now turns into not bringing in much profit because now you need to spend more hours keeping it current. I can see how in being a Developer for apps can be fun - but you really have to keep at it due to these O/S updates.
So in conclusion, just like anything else, if you care about your applications, be wary about updating the O/S. In these days, there arent any hacks, patches, or other tweaks to perform to get something to go since iOS does not allow me to do these things, nor does it offer any compatibility mode features for older applications.
I see you on here every once in a while. I want to know why you lie about so much stuff, or if you are a completely unaware person.
You didn't see improvement when you took really old devices to iOS 8. Hell, iOS 8 was the reason I upgraded from a 4s, but really the reason I got rid of my old iPad 2. Both were great devices one day and utterly unusable the second (especially the iPad 2). Everyone in my family experienced the same. The forums here can attest to many people with the same problem. I am sure the silent masses were afflicted as well.
I am used to some apple apologists on here, but every time I see you post, you say the least believable things or you support Apple even when they are clearly wrong. Do you just like to provoke people or are you obsessed with apple or something?
Exactly my point, why the "same thing" becomes so sluggish after OS upgrade. Surfing web on iOS 5 on iPhone 4s is same as on iPhone 6s. Apart from 4s refreshing the web page after re visit.
My two drachmas:
Ever since the iOS 9 update, I noticed that the vibrator is still vibrating a second or two after I've answered a call. It makes me wonder if I'm actually speaking to the caller.
As to those who say, "Who uses such relics?" or "It's Apple's license. Deal with it." I say, "Look, if it doesn't work properly on a particular model, they shouldn't be offering the update or give you a way to downgrade."
Ever since the iOS 9 update, I noticed that the vibrator is still vibrating a second or two after I've answered a call. It makes me wonder if I'm actually speaking to the caller.
As to those who say, "Who uses such relics?" or "It's Apple's license. Deal with it." I say, "Look, if it doesn't work properly on a particular model, they shouldn't be offering the update or give you a way to downgrade."
If it followed the suit of a computer, it would allow you to revert the software if software broke. No PC has ever had old versions locked out as requirements grew more demanding while old hardware was given no other option.
If this was the same deal as PCs, it would mean Microsoft would have pushed Vista on XP users as an enhancement only to have users see bugs and huge performance issues, and later find that they can't install Windows XP ever again. That isn't what happened and anyone can install XP at their own risk. Even with Vista being an optional, paid upgrade, people still complained because people have the correct expectation that and upgrade won't make things much worse or worse at all. That's also being as neutral and fair on what people expect from "upgrades" or "updates" because they are supposed to improve things. Even if they don't, it helps to be at least equal to an older version.
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Microsoft offers a license to run Windows on hardware of your choosing. You can't buy IOS as a separate product. You buy the phone which comes with iOS.
Only retail licenses for Windows are like that and the far majority of licenses for Windows are OEM which is tied to hardware just as iOS licenses are. If you buy an upgrade (or use the free Win10 upgrade) for an OEM copy of Windows, it doesn't invalidate your original Windows 7 license.
If Microsoft did what Apple did, they would block your old key once you update, which still wouldn't even be as bad as what Apple does since you'd still be able to install the old version but not activate it. Apple doesn't even let installs happen.
Unlike OS X, if you don't like El Capitan, you can downgrade back to anywhere from Yosemite to Snow Leopard (or whatever version of OS X your Mac came with if its above 10.6.0). iOS doesn't give you this option.
I didn't put the words "I'm grateful" and "I'm thankful" into your mouth...you said those yourself. Your posts in this thread have been consistent. You are sympathetic towards Apple on this matter. That's not wrong, but it IS the tone and message you are sending.
You talk about the US being "sue happy", frivolous lawsuits, the last lawsuit dismissed. It would be extremely difficult to conclude that you are in favor of using the courts.
Your comments in this thread are what you said. Feel free to change your opinion, but please don't claim that you didn't say what you said.