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So let's see...Apple allows downgrades or just stops updating older devices, then you'll get people suing claiming Apple is intentionally withholding features in order to get you to upgrade to a new device. If you think everything is some grand conspiracy then there's nothing Apple can do that you wouldn't be cynical about.
This is so true. I think it comes down to people are dumb and they are also greedy. The latest iOS and OS is designed primarily to run on the latest devices. People act like they never heard that installing newer software of any kind on an older device, (Phone, Computer, etc) will run just as good as on the new devices. If I install Windows 7 on my state of the art PC it will run great but hey let me install it on a compatible 6 year old PC and then complain why does it not run as good. People a re just plain dumb. The law suit is crap. Whatever Apple does they will have someone waiting to sue. They sue because they want money. People have such stupid logic. Imagine a Car manufacturer releasing the same car every year without updates. My 2015 doesn't allow carplay but the 2016 does, I'm not suing GM because I can't use carplay because they intentionally do not want to adjust the Mylink system to run newer software.
 
How about Apple does not force download any updates, period, and the message telling you to update disappears after 2 weeks.
Does that sound bad? They can stuff their gloating of bar charts of updated devices at their keynotes then.
The update notification does not dissappear. It has been on iPad mini 2 for years and iPhone 4S as well.
 
What a joke. As if Craig Federighi tells his engineers to insert code that will intentionally slow down older devices. People sue for anything and everything these days. Only in America. :rolleyes:



You're not forced to upgrade. Up until last October my sister was using an iPhone 5 with iOS 6. Her iPad 2 is still running iOS 6. I can't believe for one second that iOS 9 runs worse on the 4S than iOS 8 did so how far would you let people revert back?
Except when ios9 was advertised to be an optimization update and then performs worse than ios8. I know....I have a 4s that I use
 
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This is not what I believe, this is about apples' policies which I have no control over; unless somehow using an old insecure ios jeopardizes my data. If that were the case my opinion would be Apple disallow this; but I still have no control over Apple so my opinion counts for nothing. As does your opinion. Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
I'm saying that ME having an older version doesn't affect you at all.
 
This is so true. I think it comes down to people are dumb and they are also greedy. The latest iOS and OS is designed primarily to run on the latest devices. People act like they never heard that installing newer software of any kind on an older device, (Phone, Computer, etc) will run just as good as on the new devices. If I install Windows 7 on my state of the art PC it will run great but hey let me install it on a compatible 6 year old PC and then complain why does it not run as good. People a re just plain dumb. The law suit is crap. Whatever Apple does they will have someone waiting to sue. They sue because they want money. People have such stupid logic. Imagine a Car manufacturer releasing the same car every year without updates. My 2015 doesn't allow carplay but the 2016 does, I'm not suing GM because I can't use carplay because they intentionally do not want to adjust the Mylink system to run newer software.

Regardless people will sue either way, very true. One point to think about though, is that Apple did claim that that iOS9 will speed up older devices. Another point is that Apple does not like fragmentation, they like that everyone is on the latest OS both in iOS and in OS X. Thing is though, on Android and Windows Phone I can understand the fragmentation of OSes due to all the different devices and manufacturers. Apple has the best update process in the industry, no waiting for the carrier, no waiting for a year for the new os to be tested after release. Apple has just a handful of devices, its their OS, much easier to test. With that said, Apple has an advantage here, and thats being able to optimize their OS to run on older devices all the way up to the newest flagships. My thought originally would be that the design all new versions of iOS for the older or less capable devices first like Windows Phone does but not sure how practical that would be.
Easiest thing would be to just reduce some the features that are turned on for the older devices so the OS is not using as much graphics and ram
 
You made a statement I proved to be wrong, if you click on the updates it tells you all about the security patches they install.
So yes it does change your comment.

Example:

  • CFNetwork HTTPProtocol

    Available for: iPhone 4s and later, iPod touch (5th generation) and later, iPad 2 and later

    Impact: An attacker with a privileged network position may be able to bypass HSTS

    Description: An input validation issue existed within URL processing. This issue was addressed through improved URL validation.

    CVE-ID

    CVE-2015-7094 : Tsubasa Iinuma (@llamakko_cafe) of Gehirn Inc. and Muneaki Nishimura (nishimunea)


    From here:

    https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT205635

Nope, you don't understand context. Yes, I read these every time they come out. You want to defend Apple, then fine. But in the context of not being able to apply security fixes without applying upgrades this description (call it a comment if you want) is an epic fail. You CANNOT apply this patch to any iPhone 4s or any iPod touch, or any iPad 2, in spite of the wrong information provided by Apple, only devices running iOS 9.2 will have this security fix, nor can one understand what the real vulnerability risk is based on the information provided by Apple. My point is that Apple could and should do more. Your opinion is that they do enough already. Ok, we will just have to disagree, but IMO these notices or comments or whatever you want to call them are not enough. Apple hides security fixes, patches, and other changes unless they have no choice. It is a marketing decision that is not in the interest of users and they won't change as long as people like you look at these notices and say "wow, look what Apple provides."
 
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$5 million is nothing to the company. They'll make that money back and more on the other end of just having others pay money for faster phones. $5M is worth the gain they'll get on it overall
 
You weren't forced to upgrade your device. It was your choice.

All these idiots commenting that it is our fault for upgrading don't seem to comprehend and understand that a lot of us who do that do not realize that it will completely cripple and make our device run much slower to the point where it's not enjoyable anymore and most importantly we do not have the option to downgrade and go back to the iOS that was originally used on the device when we purchased it and were happy with it's performance!!!!

I've been saying this for years, I believe Apple should allow the user to go back to any iOS version they choose and yes they should make a disclaimer that they will not support previous versions whatsoever and that is fine!
 
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A few years ago I mistakenly upgraded my Apple iPad 2 to iOS 7, and it completely ruined the experience for me and I do not want to use it anymore as it's very frustrating to use due to it being so slow. I want to be able to go back to iOS 6 and I can't. Not happy about that at all.
 
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The HTC HD7 was shown to be capable of handling Windows RT.I am pretty sure that my HP DVX laptop with a Radeon Xpress 200 GPU can handle Windows 10.A Nexus 7 2012 can handle Android Marshmallow.But Is the experience satisfactory?Not by a longshot.I would rather leave the devices on older OS and get a good experience than crippling it with stuff it cannot handle.

Bloat ware?Slap in Cyanogen on it.Buy the GPE Galaxy S4 which has stock Android.There is always a way on Android
Let's go back to the original proposition, you said there were no lawsuits against galaxy/samsung because the media would be all over it. After a 1 second web search I provided a link to one lawsuit; I wasn't out to do a thesis on the subject. I'm sure there are others for varied "reasons" basically proving a point it's not only apple and people sue for whatever reasons they want.
 
I'm saying having a bigger number of users on an older version of IOS without current security, MIGHT jeopardize the entire ecosystem; similar to how unpatched windows boxes were targets for heartbleed.

As the #1 tech company in the world, I'm sure they can find a way to provide security updates to all their iOS software versions for more than one year.
 
I'm saying having a bigger number of users on an older version of IOS without current security, MIGHT jeopardize the entire ecosystem; similar to how unpatched windows boxes were targets for heartbleed.
There won't be a significant number of people downgrading their iPhones if it ever becomes possible. It would be the enthusiasts that care especially about their devices that would go through the effort and do the required fresh install from no backup (which enthusiasts would be willing to do with knowledge of the risks). It would also make no difference in whether new versions are adopted since they made updates more avoidable with iOS 7.1.
 
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The question is do they want to. Up until this lawsuit the answer has been no.

Yes, in fact there is so many things Apple could do to prevent poor user experiences with older devices (or not create it in the first place) that it sickens me to think of the list and how they don't even give a rat's ass.
 
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Well yes I know that, hence my comment about them removing the message.
Sorry, I misread. Thought you were saying it goes away after 2 weeks. It doesn't bother me though, I'd be more annoyed with slower performance than a 1 icon by the settings.
 
The question is do they want to. Up until this lawsuit the answer has been no.

Maybe they have made enough profit now that they can get back to the basics of pleasing the customer. I doubt they will and I doubt anyone who can stick up for Apple on forum. What is the purpose behind that? None of us have the cash that apple has. Whatever happened to the customer is always right? Its not like they are in the poor house in Cupertino.
 
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I'm saying having a bigger number of users on an older version of IOS without current security, MIGHT jeopardize the entire ecosystem; similar to how unpatched windows boxes were targets for heartbleed.
That goes to my #1 complaint about Apple's OS policy. Why can't they continue issuing security updates, without forcing people to upgrade the OS???

Aside from that, I find some of these comments of "my phone is too slow now" quite perplexing. My 4S was nice and speedy all the way through iOS 7. With iOS 8 came a large slow down, but it was still useable. iOS 9 is no slower than iOS 8, as far as I can tell.

My father's iPad 2 is running iOS 9 just fine. It's a little slow, but completely useable for email and simple web browsing.

Sure, my 4S doesn't launch an app in .00001 seconds, but so what? It's a 4 year old phone, running an OS that was primarily designed for phones with considerably more RAM. People need to get a grip and learn some patience... or fork over the money for new hardware.

I'm just glad I can run the latest OS with the security patches. I have no interest in phablets, so hopefully the 6c rumors are somewhat accurate... although I passed on the 5/5S because I consider those to be "too big", lol
 
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