Class Action Lawsuit Accuses Apple of Crippling iPhone 4s With iOS 9 Update

[Radon87000]

I guess here in the US I feel grateful Apple is supporting a 5 year old device that works fairly decently. It's amazing to me you haven't moved on to any phone manufacturer given all the angst and issues iOS has caused you.

I'm thankful I can turn off the visuals as i dislike eye candy; if that is what is needed than do it.

People sued the last go around and it was tossed out of court like this will be. Just because you are unhappy doesn't mean the masses are.

It's not called "supporting".Its called crippling.At least give me the option to downgrade to the faster OS and warn me about the performance degradation before I upgrade if you want to support customers.

The masses are unhappy which is why we have this class action suit in the first place.Apple with all its corporate might will win but it definitely proves a late section of 4S customers are unhappy

Also I have $1000+ invested in iOS.Switching is not easy

 

[I7guy]

Only retail licenses for Windows are like that and the far majority of licenses for Windows are OEM which is tied to hardware just as iOS licenses are. If you buy an upgrade (or use the free Win10 upgrade) for an OEM copy of Windows, it doesn't invalidate your original Windows 7 license.

If Microsoft did what Apple did, they would block your old key once you update, which still wouldn't even be as bad as what Apple does since you'd still be able to install the old version but not activate it. Apple doesn't even let installs happen.

Ignoring for the moment how you know the majority of Windows licenses are oem vs corporate volume licenses vs individual retail vs govt You have a 30 day window for Windows 10 update; after that your stuck with it.

Microsoft has multiple business models, Apple has basically one with iPhone with multiple price my tiers.

 

[I7guy]

It's not called "supporting".Its called crippling.At least give me the option to downgrade to the faster OS and warn me about the performance degradation before I upgrade if you want to support customers.

The masses are unhappy which is why we have this class action suit in the first place.Apple with all its corporate might will win but it definitely proves a late section of 4S customers are unhappy

You call it "crippling" I call it supporting.

Please tell me how you "the masses" are unhappy. Please cite your source for this "fact". That there is a class action suit is meaningless as $50 bucks buys anybody a lawsuit. The richer the client the better.

 

[apolloa]

Really you think this makes a difference in the context of my comments? These are not comments on security patches, they are notices, but contain no information about exactly what was done and you don't get the patch unless you upgrade iOS, which was the point of many comments in this thread. In addition, they don't apply to iOS components independent of the iOS version. For example the security patch, if it had comments, could say for example applies to WebKit v6.321 for all iOS versions. But they don't, nor does Apple allow them to be applied to any iOS version.

You made a statement I proved to be wrong, if you click on the updates it tells you all about the security patches they install.
So yes it does change your comment.

Example:

• CFNetwork HTTPProtocol
  
  Available for: iPhone 4s and later, iPod touch (5th generation) and later, iPad 2 and later
  
  Impact: An attacker with a privileged network position may be able to bypass HSTS
  
  Description: An input validation issue existed within URL processing. This issue was addressed through improved URL validation.
  
  CVE-ID
  
  CVE-2015-7094 : Tsubasa Iinuma (@llamakko_cafe) of Gehirn Inc. and Muneaki Nishimura (nishimunea)
  
  
  From here:
  
  https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT205635

 

[I7guy]

I didn't put the words "I'm grateful" and "I'm thankful" into your mouth...you said those yourself. Your posts in this thread have been consistent. You are sympathetic towards Apple on this matter. That's not wrong, but it IS the tone and message you are sending.



You talk about the US being "sue happy", frivolous lawsuits, the last lawsuit dismissed. It would be extremely difficult to conclude that you are in favor of using the courts.

Your comments in this thread are what you said. Feel free to change your opinion, but please don't claim that you didn't say what you said.

What has the fact the I'm happy to be running iOS 9 on my iPad 2 have anything to do with your statements of indicting me as being anti-choice and anti-free speech.

I'm not sympathetic toward Apple any more than Microsoft for dropping support for Windows XP. Apple is free to make its policies; I'm only noting the judicial system dismissed the last lawsuit. Could happen again or not.

 

[Radon87000]

You call it "crippling" I call it supporting.

Please tell me how you "the masses" are unhappy. Please cite your source for this "fact". That there is a class action suit is meaningless as $50 bucks buys anybody a lawsuit. The richer the client the better.

People don't sue just for the heck of it.Its done for a reason.Once the problem reaches a point that the device is unusable Than people start a lawsuit.Why isn't there a law suit for the iPhone 6 or even the 5s?Because the devices are still usable.I guarantee there will be a similar lawsuit for the 6 and 5s a few years down the road if Apple sticks to its current device policies

 

[Radon87000]

Ignoring for the moment how you know the majority of Windows licenses are oem vs corporate volume licenses vs individual retail vs govt You have a 30 day window for Windows 10 update; after that your stuck with it.

Microsoft has multiple business models, Apple has basically one with iPhone with multiple price my tiers.

Lol I downgraded my Dell XPS 13 to Windows 8.1 after using 10 for months

 

[I7guy]

People don't sue just for the heck of it.Its done for a reason.Once the problem reaches a point that the device is unusable Than people start a lawsuit.Why isn't there a law suit for the iPhone 6 or even the 5s?Because the devices are still usable.I guarantee there will be a similar lawsuit for the 6 and 5s a few years down the road if Apple sticks to its current device policies

People do sue for the heck of it. For 50 bucks you can sue the telco company because it takes 5 seconds to get a dial tone and last year it was 3 seconds.

If there is a lawsuit for the 5s and 6 I'm sure it will be tossed as well.

 

[IHelpId10t5]

Do you even own an older idevice and have you even experienced the performance of iOS 5/6 on it? Let me assure you no matter how many "useless bacground Social apps" you threw at it, the OS would remain pretty damn smooth on something like iPad 2. Look up "apple's backgrounding" to understand why

As a matter of fact I do have an iPad 2 and two iPhone 4S still in heavy use in my household and they work perfectly well using the latest iOS 9.2. Anyone having extreme performance issues on these devices should really consider fully resetting the devices (without restoring from a backup that may be quite bloated over many years and sequential updates from iOS 6, 7, 8, 9...), and then going through every setting available to disable the dozens of unnecessary features (such as background app refresh).

The market demands that Apple add new features to every new iOS. It's the user's responsibility to disable the features that they don't need or want based on the age of the hardware. If Apple left all new features off of old devices, users would complain. If Apple further restricted which new iOS could be installed on old devices, users would complain. After this BS lawsuit, Apple will likely reconsider allowing such old hardware to run newer iOS versions, and guess what, users will complain.

 

[DoctorKrabs]

Ignoring for the moment how you know the majority of Windows licenses are oem vs corporate volume licenses vs individual retail vs govt You have a 30 day window for Windows 10 update; after that your stuck with it.

Microsoft has multiple business models, Apple has basically one with iPhone with multiple price my tiers.

You're never "stuck with it". The license for an earlier version of Windows going to Windows 10 won't expire, period. Even after 30 days when Windows 10 gets rid of the old OS backup, you can still do a clean install of your original version and activate it. The only significance of the 30 day period is that it is the time you can do a system restore with all the user data placed exactly as it was left. They don't make an effort to block you from installing the old Windows versions like Apple does for iOS and I said this already.

And believe me, the exceeding majority of consumer licenses for Windows are OEM. Most people buy PCs with Windows pre-installed.

 

[Radon87000]

People do sue for the heck of it. For 50 bucks you can sue the telco company because it takes 5 seconds to get a dial tone and last year it was 3 seconds.

If there is a lawsuit for the 5s and 6 I'm sure it will be tossed as well.

If people sue just like that why is there no case for the Galaxy S3,Note 3,iPhone 5,Nexus 5,HTC One M8?

 

[vertsix]

As sad as this may sound, nothing is going to change Apple's mind about how they distribute updates. Not even this lawsuit.

There's absolutely no way they'll implement a downgrade option, mainly because fragmentation is something they really do not want (although downgrading does make sense).

Unfortunately, Apple is unbelievably arrogant and greedy, and what they want from you is for you to buy the new iPhone. They must keep their shareholders pleased. That's all what matters to them.

That's the sad, brutal truth. It sucks. If you don't like it, of course, you can flee to another phone company.

 

[I7guy]

If people sue just like that why is there no case for the Galaxy S3,Note 3,iPhone 5,Nexus 5,HTC One M8?

You tell me. Have you checked the law dockets or is it conjecture?

 

[I7guy]

You're never "stuck with it". The license for an earlier version of Windows going to Windows 10 won't expire, period. Even after 30 days when Windows 10 gets rid of the old OS backup, you can still do a clean install of your original version and activate it. The only significance of the 30 day period is that it is the time you can do a system restore with all the user data placed exactly as it was left. They don't make an effort to block you from installing the old Windows versions like Apple does for iOS and I said this already.

And believe me, the exceeding majority of consumer licenses for Windows are OEM. Most people buy PCs with Windows pre-installed.

If there is one thing I've learned not to believe "factoids". You may be right, however comparing totally different business models as you can't buy an apple phone and run Ubuntu, but a link to back up your "fact" would be nice.

 

[Kar98]

Utter nonsense. Not relevant, just stupid.

LOL, so salty...

 

[Radon87000]

You tell me. Have you checked the law dockets or is it conjecture?

The Galaxy S3 was the groundbreaker for Samsung which made them rivals to Apple.So any lawsuit regarding it would be headline news.Samsung rightly stopped updating it when they realised any further upgrades would slow the device down.And I follow many android news blogs and tabloids so I know a lot about all of these devices.

 

[Radon87000]

If there is one thing I've learned not to believe "factoids". You may be right, however comparing totally different business models as you can't buy an apple phone and run Ubuntu, but a link to back up your "fact" would be nice.

lol Everyone knows the maximum Windows installs are by OEMs.Those who buy just the license are mostly PC enthusiasts and corporates who are far less in number.
You can downgrade any Windows 10 PC to Windows 8.1 and even Windows 7 after backing up your device via Dell System restore

 

[orioncrystalice]

The Galaxy S3 was the groundbreaker for Samsung which made them rivals to Apple.So any lawsuit regarding it would be headline news.Samsung rightly stopped updating it when they realised any further upgrades would slow the device down.And I follow many android news blogs and tabloids so I know a lot about all of these devices.

But I want a choice. Why are you so anti-choice? I don't want to buy a new Galaxy just to run new software and my old software doesn't support any security or app upgrades. It's crippled my system

 

[Radon87000]

But I want a choice. Why are you so anti-choice? I don't want to buy a new Galaxy just to run new software and my old software doesn't support any security or app upgrades. It's crippled my system

Apple doesn't give you a choice either

 

[I7guy]

The Galaxy S3 was the groundbreaker for Samsung which made them rivals to Apple.So any lawsuit regarding it would be headline news.Samsung rightly stopped updating it when they realised any further upgrades would slow the device down.And I follow many android news blogs and tabloids so I know a lot about all of these devices.

Oh, so because it's not in the news there must not be any. Gotcha. And that's the reason android handsets don't get updates past a year is excellent customer service. Gotcha.

 

[DoctorKrabs]

If there is one thing I've learned not to believe "factoids". You may be right, however comparing totally different business models as you can't buy an apple phone and run Ubuntu, but a link to back up your "fact" would be nice.

You aren't going to tell me that most consumers who have Windows went out and bought it in a box, are you?

It's fair to assume this as notebooks will come with a preinstalled OS. Notebooks have outsold dekstops every quarter of every year for the past 7 years.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/17/intel_laptop_desktop_crossover/

It doesn't even matter whether it's retail because in any case, you can choose your version. If I buy an iPhone and it comes with iOS 5, it should be my right to be able to use the device on iOS 5 at any time because that's what I purchased. Don't tell me that I shouldn't be able to because of Apple's license agreement because that's what the debate is about. We're saying Apple needs to change their license to allow me to get the version I want on my device, which will not affect you in any way, crazy enough.

 

[I7guy]

You aren't going to tell me that most consumers who have Windows went out and bought it in a box, are you?

It's fair to assume this notebooks will come with a preinstalled OS. Notebooks have outsold dekstops every quarter of every year for the past 7 years.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/17/intel_laptop_desktop_crossover/

It doesn't even matter whether it's retail because in any case, you can choose your version. If I buy an iPhone and it comes with iOS 5, it should be my right to be able to use the device on iOS 5 at any time because that's what I purchased. Don't tell me that I shouldn't be able to because of Apple's license agreement because that's what the debate is about. We're saying Apple needs to change their license to allow me to get the version I want on my device, which will not affect you in any way, crazy enough.

This is not what I believe, this is about apples' policies which I have no control over; unless somehow using an old insecure ios jeopardizes my data. If that were the case my opinion would be Apple disallow this; but I still have no control over Apple so my opinion counts for nothing. As does your opinion. Shoulda, woulda, coulda.

 

[Radon87000]

Oh, so because it's not in the news there must not be any. Gotcha. And that's the reason android handsets don't get updates past a year is excellent customer service. Gotcha.

So you mean to tell me that news media and even certain Apple news websites only report regarding lawsuits of Apple and all lawsuits regarding the worlds largest Android smartphone maker are shoved under the carpet.Thats some biased media ,man

Past a year?It got updates for 2.5 years.Most Android flagships average that.Past that the hardware is not capable enough to handle the latest software hence its dropped instead of slowing it down.And all the while I can still choose if I want to downgrade to a specific OS version or not.Drop support instead of crapping on customer experience just for the purpose of gloating on those charts at keynotes comprising of many stranded people like myself.

 

[I7guy]

So you mean to tell me that news media and even certain Apple news websites only report regarding lawsuits of Apple and all lawsuits regarding the worlds largest Android smartphone maker are shoved under the carpet.Thats some biased media ,man

Past a year?It got updates for 2.5 years.Most Android flagships average that.Past that the hardware is not capable enough to handle the latest software hence its dropped instead of slowing it down.And all the while I can still choose if I want to downgrade to a specific OS version or not

I guess Apple designs better hardware than the competition because my iPad 2 handles iOS 9; five years later.

As far as lawsuits are concerned the problem is blinders:

HTTPS://www.hop-law.com/Samsung-Galaxy-s4

Then there is the bloat ware lawsuit in China. But you get the point.

 

[Radon87000]

I guess Apple designs better hardware than the competition because my iPad 2 handles iOS 9; five years later.

As far as lawsuits are concerned the problem is blinders:

HTTPS://www.hop-law.com/Samsung-Galaxy-s4

Then there is the bloat ware lawsuit in China. But you get the point.

The HTC HD7 was shown to be capable of handling Windows RT.I am pretty sure that my HP DVX laptop with a Radeon Xpress 200 GPU can handle Windows 10.A Nexus 7 2012 can handle Android Marshmallow.But Is the experience satisfactory?Not by a longshot.I would rather leave the devices on older OS and get a good experience than crippling it with stuff it cannot handle.

Bloat ware?Slap in Cyanogen on it.Buy the GPE Galaxy S4 which has stock Android.There is always a way on Android