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Class Action Lawsuit Accuses Apple of Crippling iPhone 4s With iOS 9 Update

I wasn't "forced" to upgrade my iPad mini to iOS 8 after having it for two years, but I made the mistake and did. I will be very careful about upgrading any iOS device in the future, regardless of how annoying and/or tempting the giant red notification at the bottom of the screen may become. Just my personal experience, of course.
 
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apolloa said:
then they can be taken to court for making brocken software, I'm pretty sure it doesn't state in the license they will reduce your Apple products performance with this update...
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I'm pretty sure "making broken software" isn't illegal unless you knowingly think it's broken...

...even then, I'm pretty sure it's still legal to release software like this.

If there's any illegality here, it's in marketing. The problem is, marketing does not promise amazing performance on older devices.
 
This idea of planned obsolescence baffles me. Apple are the only tech company that make products that last. I am on my Macbook Air from 2013 and it is running absolutely perfectly on the latest OS and has run perfectly for the last 2 years. I could never say that for any windows laptop of the same price, and windows charges for OS upgrades!!

Also I had a 4s on iOS 9 and it was fine.
 
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The lawsuit may be ridiculous in the fact that it says that Apple intentionally breaks a person's phone. But don't tell me you've never thought, "Wow, I really wish I would have stayed on the last version." I think they always push one too many "full" versions of iOS to devices.

Apple is way too gung-ho about how most of their devices are running the latest version of iOS. I hear it from them every March.

At least this lawsuit will hopefully make Apple keep the last stable full version of any iOS version available for download.
 
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apolloa said:
Personal experience and PLENTY of posts on this forum and the internet, please don't try to pretend it doesn't exist, you will be fighting a losing battle.
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I'm not saying it might not be true for some people, but nowhere does Apple make guarantees about performance. And since no one is forced to buy Apple products I don't see how a court can force them to allow software downgrades if Apple chooses not to do so.
 
Rogifan said:
They only have a case if they can prove Apple did it intentionally. Unless the lawsuit is specifically about being able to downgrade but I'm not sure how a court could force Apple to do that. Nobody is forced to buy an iPhone or update the software.



How they get away with what? Apple can do whatever they want with their hardware and software. No one is forced to buy it. And no where does Apple claim performance won't degrade over time.
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Where do I even start. Of course Apple knew that the iphone 4s would slow down. They have some of the best coders, and any idiot coder knows to test the code on devices that can get the update. So they knew and didn't say anything, therefore it was intentional. And just because Apple is the creator doesn't mean they can do whatever they want. Consumers have rights, you know.
 
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apolloa said:
Security patches??? She is vulnerable to security holes is she not by staying on unpatched iOS versions?
backup and restore, use new features in your apps.
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Yep and that's a risk she's chosen to take, though she's probably going to buy my Air 2 from me next year. :)

Do you think developers should have to provide software updates for 4 different versions of iOS?
 
Rogifan said:
I'm not saying it might not be true for some people, but nowhere does Apple make guarantees about performance. And since no one is forced to buy Apple products I don't see how a court can force them to allow software downgrades if Apple chooses not to do so.
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Well they were forced by the court to allow jailbreaking so I can see the court forcing them to let you downgrade. And again no where does Apple state they will reduce performance either.
 
Judas1 said:
Where do I even start. Of course Apple knew that the iphone 4s would slow down. They have some of the best coders, and any idiot coder knows to test the code on devices that can get the update. So they knew and didn't say anything, therefore it was intentional. And just because Apple is the creator doesn't mean they can do whatever they want. Consumers have rights, you know.
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I thought iOS 9 was intentionally designed to run better on older devices? Isn't that one of the reasons it supported more devices than any previous iOS? So no I don't think Apple intentionally coded iOS 9 to run like crap on older devices.

apolloa said:
How about Apple stops forcing developers to have to update their apps to work with the latest iOS version instead?
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Right because that would make for a great user experience. Why wouldn't a developer want their app to work with the latest OS?
 
Wether on purpose or not, Apple has done a lousy job of optimizing iOS for older devices. My neighbors bought my original iPad from me a few years ago and brought that to a Christmas party. I couldn't believe how fast that still felt vs. old iPad 2 and 3 (that I got back from my parents after upgrading them to Airs) running iOS 9 and iOS 8 even though the processors in the iPad 2/3 were much faster, had more ram etc.

And for those saying they aren't forced to upgrade, well no they generally weren't. Of course if you get food poisoning from a restaurant you weren't forced to eat there now were you?
 
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kring said:
About time! Though disappointed for so little. Ios9 was the most blatant scam into forced upgrade purchasing. It destroyed my 5 & 4S and turned my iPad 3 into a paper weight. Ios9 was touted as a much needed performance improvement to ios8 and they end up halving the performance with forced updates that crippled older devices. It's definitely scum bag practice.
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I find all these complaints so weird. We have an iPhone 4s and an iPad 2 still in use at our house and both ru. iOS 9.2 great. I don't doubt people are having a problem, but to call it a "scam" and assume everyone experiences the same issues as you is absurd. Have there been upgrades that have slowed things down a bit? Sure, but those problems have always disappeared after the first minor update. Your words like crippled and destroyed seem like a lot of hyperbole.

It will be interesting to see what their experience with tech support was or if they bothered to provide any feedback to Apple.

apolloa said:
Well they were forced by the court to allow jailbreaking so I can see the court forcing them to let you downgrade. And again no where does Apple state they will reduce performance either.
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They were not forced to allow jailbreaking by a court. You may be thinking of the LOC ruling that it is not illegal to break a carrier lock.
 
Rogifan said:
You're not forced to upgrade. Up until last October my sister was using an iPhone 5 with iOS 6. Her iPad 2 is still running iOS 6. I can't believe for one second that iOS 9 runs worse on the 4S than iOS 8 did so how far would you let people revert back?
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Your logic makes no sense. If you upgrade to an OS and discover that it cripples your device, yet, you have no way to go back to an older version... That is called being forced. So it is the users responsibility now to just know exactly how an update will perform? We are all expected to be fortunetellers? It is fairly obvious that iOS 6 was the last iOS to perform adequately on all devices of the era. The ability to restore to that version SHOULD be an option for all.
 
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The Doctor11 said:
iphone4s.slow = true :rolleyes:

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This is an extremely stupid case IMO. No where does Apple guarantee any performance, and I'm sure those terms of services has Apple covered.
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-"Oh, look. This feature is very heavy for this device, it slows it down. What should we do? We can either optimize it for this device or cut it"

-"Nah, leave it the way it is. The marketing board says it's good for new models and i'm sure nobody is going to complain about over-heating or complete freezing of their devices. Not too mention the batteru issues. They agreed to get unusable devices after three years"

-"Yeah right. Just look at out latest battery case, it means that we are aware of every issue, we just choose to profit from it somehow"
 
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Rogifan said:
I thought iOS 9 was intentionally designed to run better on older devices? Isn't that one of the reasons it supported more devices than any previous iOS? So no I don't think Apple intentionally coded iOS 9 to run like crap on older devices.

Right because that would make for a great user experience. Why wouldn't a developer want their app to work with the latest OS?
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.They didn't inform the customers. That was their fault. You think that everything done by Apple isn't intentional?
 
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